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Beliefs about immigrants may be false
Hickory Daily Record ^ | Nov 23, 2012 | Skip Marsden

Posted on 11/25/2012 12:19:04 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Many of us hold assumptions about things for which we don’t have all the facts. I hear something from a trusted source, and I assume it is fact.

That seems to be true about our local immigrant community. I decided to check into some beliefs about immigrants that get bantered about, and borrowed an information sheet I received from Centro Latino, a local nonprofit organization whose mission is to respond to critical needs of Latinos and to bridge the cultural gap between Spanish-speaking and non-Spanish-speaking members of our community I addressed issues with more current data I found online.

Undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes.

“Immigrants pay billions in taxes every year,” according to the American Immigration Council. “Everyone in the United States pays taxes, regardless of legal status. All unauthorized immigrants pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes — even if they rent.”

Unauthorized immigrant households paid $11.2 billion in state and local taxes, including $1.2 billion — that’s billion — in personal income taxes in 2010, according to the website. Unauthorized Latinos in the state paid close to $318 million in state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy.

Paying taxes is looked at favorably by the government when determining things like eligibility for legal status, according to Marie Connelly de Palacios, executive director of Centro Latino. Therefore paying taxes, even when wages are paid in cash, is very important to an immigrant.

(Excerpt) Read more at hickoryrecord.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; myths
Can guys like this provide anyone with a straightforward answer of how are illegals able to pay taxes ? How do taxes get paid and with what documents do they use? I'd like to see a break down of how much do illegals cost the school systems, how much money do illegals cost the medical system, how much money do illegals cost in terms of getting their own dream act , how much of net benefit is there when all the factors are included.That pay property taxes , many have from 2-4 families living in one home/apt. I know the Hispanic down the road from me small 2 bedroom home he rents, it has 7 men,1 woman,1, 8 year old child. I see these 3 hispanics get pickedup by a van,they return later in the evening, I only see them leave the home,they come back to the home after that you never see them again, until next work day begins or ends,that's it. His latest group comes from GA is what car plates indicate..Their car never moves either.
1 posted on 11/25/2012 12:19:14 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

I bet most illegal aliens (not “immigrants”) are on welfare of some type


2 posted on 11/25/2012 12:23:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: moonshinner_09
If I pay sales taxes, but do not pay income taxes, I'd call it a sweet deal. If anyone chastised me for stiffing the IRS, I'd say, "What?!? I pay sales tax!!"

What a bunch of BS. Illegals do not carry their weight. We pay for the good things they get. It's wrong.

I would, however, love to see something like the Fair Tax. Scrap the whole income tax, and make everyone pay something like 17% sales tax on every retail purchase. If that were in place, then I would nod my head and say, "At least those illegals pay the same taxes that I do."

3 posted on 11/25/2012 12:23:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: GeronL
I bet most illegal aliens (not “immigrants”) are on welfare of some type

I would take that bet, and I'll even be generous and let you define most as 51%. You'll be disappointed at the margin you lose by.

4 posted on 11/25/2012 12:27:31 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”


5 posted on 11/25/2012 12:28:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Melas

The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”


6 posted on 11/25/2012 12:30:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Melas

The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”


7 posted on 11/25/2012 12:30:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: moonshinner_09

“bantered about” would have been more accurate as “bandied about,” FWIW.

Also, this article makes several assumptions; not the smallest of which, is, that these pro-illegal-immigrant NGOs will tell you the unvarnished truth about these things.


8 posted on 11/25/2012 12:33:45 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: moonshinner_09

So they pay sales and property taxes. Big deal.Net net they receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes. For every dollar in tax they pay they receive $3 in benefits. They are a net loss. If this were a business and you are losing on every unit you sell because the production cost is higher than the sales cost per unit, the solution is not to increase your sales volume. Amnesty is analagous to increasing sales volume on a losing product.


9 posted on 11/25/2012 12:38:02 PM PST by chuckee
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To: GeronL
"The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”

Further, the man is paid in CASH, and pays no FICA, Federal/State/Local income tax, which means he has no reported "Income", and is eligible for EBT's, Medical Care in Emergency rooms for free, the kids are "American Citizens" (only because they were deposited on U.S. Soil), and they collect County and State benefits, additionally.

These spurious claims of "they pay taxes" are bullshit on their face, as the NUMBERS of illegals are greatly under-stated in their arguments (you can't count thsoe who don't appear as even being here), AND, you can bet that 100's of thousands are voting on a regular basis (to keep their handouts coming).

10 posted on 11/25/2012 12:38:55 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: moonshinner_09

“Beliefs about immigrants may be false”
But most likely they are not.

Would Centro Latino (Mexican Central) be totally honest about these stats. I doubt it.
$11.2 billion in state and local taxes....
Yea maybe nation wide. If they know you can’t keep them out
of the country then why should they feel they are obligated
to pay taxes? This article smells like freshly laid bunk.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 12:39:15 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Melas

I hope GeronL takes that bet too. He’ll be *very* surprised.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 12:39:28 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: traditional1

bump


13 posted on 11/25/2012 12:44:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Melas
I would take that bet, and I'll even be generous and let you define most as 51%. You'll be disappointed at the margin you lose by.

Where could you possibly get credible information about this?

14 posted on 11/25/2012 12:45:16 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Spanish-speaking and non-Spanish-speaking members of our community

Notice how he diminishes and de-nationalizes the Americans by relegating our language - English - to second class status: everything is judged by whether it is hispanic or not (like the current practice of the "American" government classifying the Americans as "non-hispanic white").

Classic propaganda, designed to not just lower the status of the citizenry but to elevate the status of the invading force above the citizens, and de-legitimize the American nationality.

But out here in the West we have seen it all before. The deed is done, and our legislatures are now essentially run by Mexico, with one aim: loot the gringos, and occupy their land. Oh and, rule them....

Treason it was in California and Treason it is in North Carolina, the birthplace of the Revolution.

My ancestor hung the Tory Riddle from the Oak Tree in Wilkes County. That was for robbing and killing Patriots as a Loyalist.

Let the same fate lie ahead for the foreign occupiers and colonizers and the traitors who invite them in and employ them, inflicting disunion on our nation.

15 posted on 11/25/2012 12:49:05 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Melas

How are you being generous? - ‘Most’ means more than 50% and 51% is certainly more than 50%. You are not being generous, you are taking away everything between 50% and 51%. You don’t have the right to take a full percentage point out of the definition, and then claim generosity. If 1 person more than 50% take some type of welfare, then you lose the bet.

FWIW - I think you are wrong. Uninsured motorists, unpaid emergency room visits, foodstamps, tuition waivers or discounts, all of these are types of welfare.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 12:50:47 PM PST by GilesB
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To: moonshinner_09

These must be really stupid illegals. In Texas, illegals file for the Earned Income Credit and get back $20,000-$30,000 by claiming numerous children back in Mexico as their dependents, including nephews and nieces. Of course, no one checks to see if these children even exist.

Car dealerships know when these cheats get their IRS payments, because Spanish speaking individuals show up to buy new pickup trucks with $30,000 in cash...sweet.

These squatters know every trick in the book for skating around our laws, particularly since Obama has pulled the teeth of ICE. They now know they have nothing to fear in the Land of the Freeloader.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 12:51:54 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: traditional1
AND, you can bet that 100's of thousands are voting on a regular basis (to keep their handouts coming).

Illegals protested in Michigan the day after the election because the secretary of state refuses to give them drivers licenses. One of their complaints was that they're singled out while (illegally) voting.
18 posted on 11/25/2012 12:52:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: moonshinner_09
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) -- my gosh, even wiki graffiti doesn't try to spin ITEP -- though they are asking for someone to do it for them, "[better source needed]".

"ITEP has been described as left-leaning in its policy positions and recommendations. [better source needed] Nonetheless, its quantitative analyses are widely regarded as reliable by observers from across the political spectrum, and by analysts within government. ITEP’s sister organization, Citizens for Tax Justice, is often referred to as a progressive group."

Highly regarded? Like how many agree that

The study’s main finding is that nearly every state and local tax system takes a much greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from the wealthy. That is, when all state and local income, sales, excise and property taxes are added up, most state tax systems are regressive.

From Introduction and Summary of Findings in their Who Pays? A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States 3rd Edition Copyright © 2009 by The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Washington, D.C.

I agree that taking one document in the ITEP does not reflect all of ITEP.. here is another statement from that report: Virtually every state fails this basic test of tax fairness: as this study documents . . . .

Golly gee, the sales tax I pay adds up pretty quick vs. by income. A guy with $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 that sales tax amount is not even noticed. Duh.

20 posted on 11/25/2012 1:01:33 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: raybbr

It’s not as difficult as you might imagine. We do keep records of food stamp recipients by race. Food stamps/EBT are the most basic form of welfare that all welfare recipients receive. ie, you have to be receiving food stamps to receive housing vouchers etc. 17% of all food stamps are given given hispanics (all other illegals are statistically insignificant) for a total of about 6.5 million recipients. Without doing any further math, I can assure you that the numbers just aren’t there to even approach 50%, let alone exceed it.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 1:03:55 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: moonshinner_09

The only thing “owed” an illegal immigrant is immediate expulsion. No person has a “right” to enter our country, take jobs, attend our “free schools,” get food, clothing, utilities, medical care, housing all at others expense. It is only the degeneracy of Euro Americans that allow this “rights” nonsense to persist.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 1:05:03 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: GilesB; Melas
FWIW - I think you are wrong. Uninsured motorists, unpaid emergency room visits, foodstamps, tuition waivers or discounts, all of these are types of welfare.

Don't confuse the Illegal Alien enablers with facts, they'll just go away mumbling something like you're a xenophobe, or you hate Mexicans or you are racist or some other crap.
23 posted on 11/25/2012 1:25:59 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: All
Could the source of the posted article data (ITEP) be leftist screaming: "Make "the rich" pay more lots more!"

ITEP: Regressive tax is unfair. Hell the dictionary documents that.. we need a million-dollar, wealthy foundations supported, tax-exempt group of lefties to tell us that?

I pay sales tax of about ten cents on the dollar -- "the rich" should pay $10,000 for every dollar they spend? Would that be fair, ITEP?

ITEP and today's intellectual elite New Normal

For the umpteenth time, Abe tells us what went wrong.

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 1:28:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Melas

Don’t be dumb none of those racial outfits claiming to represent something called Hispanics wants an audit of who gets what and who pays what.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 1:31:43 PM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: moonshinner_09
There is a vast difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens.

There is absolutely no point in arguing with someone so dishonest that they can't even acknowledge that difference.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 1:43:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Unauthorized immigrant Illegal alien households...

FIFY

27 posted on 11/25/2012 2:09:07 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Big EFFING deal!! (Borrowing a classic line from our esteemed Vice President).

Is that supposed to make illegal acceptable, to make us like it and want more of it??


28 posted on 11/25/2012 2:16:04 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: moonshinner_09
All unauthorized immigrants pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes — even if they rent.”

Okay Skippy. Let's make a deal. I'll pay "sales taxes" and property taxes - even if I rent and YOU AND YOUR ILLEGALS PAY MY FLIPPIN' INCOME TAXES. DEAL?

Paying sales taxes and property taxes - even if they rent is not the same as pay both of those on top of income taxes also. The author is a moron.

29 posted on 11/25/2012 2:19:43 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Juan & Maria sneak accross the border, they immediately go to the nearest hospital and enjoy a freee $15K birthing experience, which bestows citizenship on little Hector, who is then eligible for all manner of welfare, medical and other assistance.

Over the next several years, Juan & Maria have 3-4 more free birthing experiences which produce little welfare generators. Soon, they have 5 kids each getting free ($8-$10K/yr) educations to go along with all the other free assistance.

Juan & Maria, however, are hard workers and earn $30K/Yr and get over $8K/yr in EITC and other tax credits (credits?)

Don’t worry, all is good..........According to this article, Juan & Maria pay taxes and contribute mightily to our economy.


30 posted on 11/25/2012 2:21:47 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Elsiejay

bump


31 posted on 11/25/2012 2:23:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: moonshinner_09; All

Sounds like another Amnesty Liberal fluff piece

Sure, there are illegal aliens who pay taxes (mainly sales taxes to the states where they are currently in)...but they avoid most income taxes (federal and state) since so many are paid under-the-table....and also avoid paying Social Security/Medicare taxes.

But, most importantly, Illegal Aliens take jobs away from American citizens, and, lower the average pay scale for everyone else in the communities they are in. This puts more unemployed and lower-paid Americans on government assistance. In fact, an employer who hires Illegal Aliens over American citizens are the biggest perpetrators of government expansion in this nation

Even if Illegal Aliens themselves caused no net government revenue loss on their own accord....their impact is greatly felt on the Americans who are the taxpayers...or who were the taxpayers

Illegal Alien Amnesty is Anti-American Bigotry


32 posted on 11/25/2012 2:41:26 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: Melas
Without doing any further math, I can assure you that the numbers just aren’t there to even approach 50%, let alone exceed it.

Go back to the DUmp you fraud. You pull numbers out of thin air. It's funny, but in your "About" you talk about the truth and yet you just knowingly spout lies.

Be honest and admit you loathe Conservatives and Liberty. I dealt with your kind often -- arrogant dislike of those that believe in rugged Individualism and Constitutional principles.

33 posted on 11/25/2012 3:05:46 PM PST by sand88
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To: moonshinner_09
They also pay property taxes — even if they rent.

Wrong. Only people who own property pay property taxes.

34 posted on 11/25/2012 3:37:51 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.

taxes are part of the rent

but when you have 8 families in one house, they ain’t paying their share by any stretch


35 posted on 11/25/2012 3:42:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: sand88

You are truly and genuinely delusional.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 4:34:15 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: moonshinner_09
If illegals were up and up they could get a number to pay taxes with that requires no SS.
Problem is when they get that number they often file false tax returns for thousands of dollars on no money earned.
Think of the thousands a child they cost us for education a year.
Being they are poor, think of the cost of us providing health care and other stuff.
37 posted on 11/25/2012 4:49:10 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Thanks moonshinner_09. No Media Shilling here:
...local immigrant community... Undocumented immigrants... unauthorized immigrants... Unauthorized immigrant households... Unauthorized Latinos...

38 posted on 11/25/2012 5:38:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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