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Why Barack H. Obama will be the last President of the “United” States
Me | John Gonzales

Posted on 11/26/2012 2:41:58 PM PST by J. Worthington

Why Barack H. Obama will be the last President of the “United” States

By John Gonzales

Consider the current rifts in our American society. After four years of this administration’s divisive rhetoric and policies, we have been divided - then subdivided - into a disparate consortium of “voting” blocks. We are a society that identifies its members by political party, race, income brackets, social and religious affiliations, then again: pro-life, pro-choice, the 47%, the dependant class, the wealthy, millionaires (defined by this administration as anyone making more than $250,000 annually), social conservatives clinging to their guns and bibles, liberals, Christians, atheists, tax payers, welfare takers, wall street, main street, gay, straight, illegal immigrants (sorry, undocumented workers), racists, constitutionalists, statists, and the list goes on.

Four years, during which our country has become more segregated than it has been since the great Civil War, with the central issues being slavery and individual states’ rights. The divisions ran so deep and wide, and the positions were so passionately held, that it pitted father against son, and brother against brother. So divided were we that we took up arms against each other. That was then, this is now.

Four years of entrenching the current polarization to the point of institutionalizing it in our politics, in our courts and worst of all in our schools. This generation of children, our future, will have been subjected to eight years learning and studying this new normal. George Orwell said, in his prophetic book 1984, “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” Ask yourself who has control of this present, because their “narrative” will shape (and reshape when needed) the past for our children and therefore they will define our future.

Now fast forward to 2016, after four more years of the same shaping. How much more divided can we become? I earnestly believe that we can become much more separated from each other as Americans. And the more we separate from each other and allow ourselves to be categorized and identified in this manner, the deeper the trench, the wider the chasm, and the longer it will take to repair and recover the “unity” of being identified as Americans.

Consider that in just the last 60 days over 675,000 Americans in 50 states have signed petitions asking for state secession from our union. Of course, these (mostly online) petitions have no formal legal bearing because our constitution does not identify a process for secession, and the very act was deemed illegal as an outcome of our US Civil War. Coupled with the fact that these petitions have currently been filed by individual citizens, not state government officials, it makes the reality of secession highly improbable, for now.

However, if we apply the universal formula for dissatisfaction: that for every one person who takes the time and makes the effort to complain about a particular business, there are 10 other consumers who feel the same but do not express it. And by placing the US in the role of the business, and its citizens cast in the role of its customers, we can extrapolate that no fewer than 6,500,000 of our fellow citizens feel the same way, a bit more substantial. And although this still only constitutes 2% of the total US population, remember that those signers of these secession petitions are only those signing in the last 60 days or less. After another four years, I wonder.

Now, here comes the “catch” in my missive. I believe that change is imminent. Profound change is racing towards our country and our world like a tsunami. One that will bring difficulties that will dwarf any this present generation has seen. As Americans, we are facing the same national turmoil we witness today in Greece, Spain, Egypt, Libya, Iran, France, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, etc. Turmoil that enflames a divided citizenry, ignited because of financial chaos, politics or religion.

With four more years of this widening separation, and the clock ticking faster than the last 10 seconds of an episode of “Chopped,” I fear that restoring our “United” States may take longer than we have.

On June 17, 1858, Abraham Lincoln famously told the US "A house divided cannot stand." But today our country is exactly that - divided.


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1 posted on 11/26/2012 2:42:06 PM PST by J. Worthington
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To: J. Worthington
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2 posted on 11/26/2012 2:47:59 PM PST by blam
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To: J. Worthington

Ask yourself if it is worth saving. It exists only as an idea in our memories and in the yellow pages of dusty books.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 2:49:21 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: J. Worthington

Good essay, John. I concur completely.

With the alleged re-election of Obama, I see no path to victory for the right in national politics, ever again. The hard left will cement everything he’s done into stone, so that our sort of America can never be restored through our constitutionally established processes.

By 2016, the red states may be looking to elect their own president.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 2:51:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ffusco
Of COURSE it's worth saving ... BECAUSE of the memory THAT CAN BE RECLAIMED AND REJUVENATED

But it will cost innocent, sacrificial lives perhaps exceeding the number lost in WW2.

I'm personally toying with the thought of whether I've lived a good life long enough that I have not had to sacrifice for.

5 posted on 11/26/2012 2:53:37 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: J. Worthington

Interesting points and well thought out.

however, I disagree. 675,000 people signing a petition is meaningless. And if not meaningless, close to meaningless. It’s not a lot of people. Signing a petition is easy. There are more people in Montana than signed those petitions. And just not that many people think as we do. We are vocal and passionate, but we are not a huge number.

Furthermore, the U.S. will not remain divided. It will move more and more towards one direction and that direction is not us. The demographic changes are clear and convincing. Furthermore, these groups voted HEAVILY for the Rats.

Then there is the practical problem. No one, not even most “conservatives” will permit this to happen. There are no leaders whatsoever on our same page. I lived through the uproar after Wallace ran and they were even more vocal than we ... and they spoke of secession ... and here we still are.

Of course we are upset about the election and the direction of our Nation. But unless we work on selling Conservatism as a governing philosophy, there will be no division, separation, etc. There will only be our complete and utter demise.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 2:53:42 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: J. Worthington

You mean that when Obama’s term is up he will just deem that he is now Emperor and President for life?

Obama, President For Life?
Mollie Hemingway, Ed. · May 3, 2012 at 9:15am

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Obama-President-For-Life

The U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary is considering a bill that would repeal the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment prohibiting a president from being elected to more than two terms in office.

Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., earlier this month introduced the bill, H. J. Res. 5, which, according to the bill’s language, proposes “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”

http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/86324/


7 posted on 11/26/2012 2:55:53 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: ffusco

I am so pissed off!!! They want their Socialism, let’s give them it, and give them it so much they choke on the damned stuff!

Time to accelerate the Inevitable Decline and pin the blame exactly where it belongs.... Liberalism/collectivismcommunism/socialism...

If the dead can vote...

If the Dead can vote then the dead gotta be able to eat and do many other things that a normal person can do, well except hold a job and be a productive member of society.

The Dead Gotta Eat...

It just occurred to me, all those dead voters need to eat too, I mean if you are dead and you just spent a long election season voting several times for your favorite democrat president, the food stamp president and you get bupkiss for your your vote, well nuts to that, why not sign your corpse-y self up for some government cheese? I mean if dead people gotta vote, dead people gotta eat too?

If Obama is gonna double down in his second term, why not double down on his food stamp numbers by making sure that his favorite voting block is asking “what can government do for me”....

So grab a shovel and a piece of paper and pencil and an acorn clipboard and head down to the local cemetery to sign up the dead tired, starving to death, and those who are just dying to get a good meal or two...

The dead gotta eat, and voting is hungry work.... Starve the beast by feeding the dead...

The Dead Gotta Read...

You gotta be able to read to vote and the dead are no exception. I would suspect that the dead read things like the New Your Slimes, Washington Compost, Mother Bones, and the Rolling GraveStones... So every single magazine subscription card you get need not be thrown away, instead fill it out with name of the dead voter and the address of their residence which would be the cemetery. The dead have got to be able to read all the liberal crap magazines because after all they vote Democrat Every Single Time....

The dead gotta read, cause you gotta read to vote... Starve the liberal MSM media beast...

The Dead need a Phone...

Besides Voting the dead gotta be able to take phone calls, how else are they supposed to respond to pollsters asking them which way they will vote. It is so very hard to get a landline installed at your grave-site these days but there is a solution, the magical Obamaphone is just the thing. Sign up all these poor “Living Impaired - Americans” to an Obama Phone or two, heck they may need more phones as after the batteries run out in their first phone they can’t recharge them, I haven’t seen too many electrical sockets in graveyards.

The Dead gotta be Polled... Starve the Beast by Picking up the Courtesy phone...

Many may think this is humor but it is not supposed to be funny, and many here have talked about “Going Galt”....

To heck with “going Galt” it is too slow, instead of going just over their heads by going Galt and refusing to be a maker, Go WAY OVER THEIR HEADS and “Poll Vault” by becoming a SUPER TAKER, or an “Under Maker” and sign up the dead to as many social programs and government freebies as undead-humanly possible.

If it is good enough for an election system that the UN observers from crap-hole countries are surprised about how insecure it is. But the left cries “voter suppression” like a stuck pig when a simple fraud prevention measure like photo ID is required by a state, then why the hell should the welfare state and the apparatus that supports it be any different.

When you are fighting against people who’s playbook is dedicated to satan (rules for radicals), you have to start using the playbook written by cuthulu!

Trying to play Mr. Rogers doesn’t work when the Civil Society has been destroyed by the “Great Society”, it is time to play Mr. Machiavelli.

To hell with Civil Disobedience, it is past that now, it is now time for Economic Disobedience, and Social Program Disobedience.

They want Communism, Maybe we should give them so much damned communism they choke on the damn stuff by collapsing the socialist systems they have “frog boiled” us into taking. We MUST shove that communism they love so DAMNED MUCH so DAMNED far down their DAMNED throats that they will still be crapping out hammers and sickles after they become the “Voting Dead” because they will be ANYWAY.

But is must be done SOON, because once they take away certain parts or all of amendments 1-10, the quick reset option will not be possible, just misery and Soviet style decline.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 2:56:36 PM PST by GraceG
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To: J. Worthington

I don’t know if Obama will technically be the last president or not, but with the GOP-E in charge of orchestrating the opposition, elections and voting appear to be rather pointless endeavors that are hardly worth bothering with.

I still like to keep the notion of a Palin run to keep up the fiction for me that the country is indeed salvageable and actually might have a future. But the real question I’m most likely to ponder nowadays is not whether or not the country is salvageable, but whether or not it’s even worth salvaging at this point. Between the economic decay, the cultural decay, and the moral decay, there’s really not much left.

I’m no longer averse to such ideas as secession. The topic has been bandied about here in Texas my entire lifetime, but only recently started looking like a genuinely viable option.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 2:57:22 PM PST by greene66
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To: J. Worthington
On The Road To Zero Growth
10 posted on 11/26/2012 2:58:48 PM PST by blam
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To: GraceG

I have thought the same for some time now, it’s that or fight.


11 posted on 11/26/2012 3:02:07 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: GraceG

***** “They want their Socialism, let’s give them it, and give them it so much they choke on the damned stuff!” ******

Yeah ... Give them what they want, That will piss them off! ... Then they will blame their failures on Bush

That is Stupid Stupid... I prefer to Win

TT


12 posted on 11/26/2012 3:02:50 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: J. Worthington
Of course, these (mostly online) petitions have no formal legal bearing because our constitution does not identify a process for secession, and the very act was deemed illegal as an outcome of our US Civil War.

The first step in the process of a legal secession would be to amend the Constitution to provide for secession procedures. That would be hard.

More fundamentally, the biggest obstacle to secession is the patriotism of the American people. There doesn't exist a state or even a county in which a significant percentage of the population would ever consider turning against the USA.

The only realistic alternative for folks who feel that they are stuck in a country that they hate is to emigrate to somewhere they like better, like the South of Brazil, the home of the Confederados, the only unreconstructed Southerners left in the world.

13 posted on 11/26/2012 3:04:39 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: J. Worthington
BLOAT; buy lots of ammo train.

I do believe the KA KA will hit the fan soon.

Remember, the highest value targets are politicians, lawyers, leftists, and anyone still stupid enough to have an Obama sticker on their bumper.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 3:08:27 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: J. Worthington
The future will consist of self-gerrymandering of red v. blue states. Productive citizens will settle in right-to-work, business friendly states.

The other states will just have to ask for the IMF and World Bank to bail them out. We may also see a dramatic decline in enlistment in the U.S. Armed Forces. The Feds will just have to use mercenaries or illegals.

15 posted on 11/26/2012 3:09:39 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: J. Worthington

This is a bunch of crap. Why do feel like posting it is important?


16 posted on 11/26/2012 3:12:25 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: exnavy

I have thought the same for some time now, it’s that or fight.

At what point do we fight and at what point do we give the failed system they have wanted for so long to teach them a lesson on how it won’t work....?

I am still trying to figure this out....


17 posted on 11/26/2012 3:16:45 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

I do not have a solid answer to that, I do have three grandchildren, if we must fight, let it begin with me.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 3:18:59 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: J. Worthington
the very act (of secession) was deemed illegal as an outcome of our US Civil War

Not true. Not a single person was ever prosecuted for secession. They tried to prosecute Jefferson Davis for treason but eventually had to admit they had no basis for prosecution and the charges were dropped.

19 posted on 11/26/2012 3:23:42 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: J. Worthington

I know two things (well actually more then two things, but for this post only two things are important).

1) History is not a straight line. If all things being equal and if nothing occurs to change it, this nation is going full force towards socialism. However history shows that the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray. Often by something unseen or unexpected. Because it is unseen and/or unexpected it can not be predicted. What can be predicted is some event or movement will occur that will changes the direction we are going. Of course this could be good or bad.

2) Socialism does not work, in fact it can not work no more then a perpetual motion machine works. Human nature gets in the way. Right now the electors have discovered that they can vote themselves gifts from the treasury. Those that vote for this neither know or if they do know don’t care where the money really comes from they voted for themselves. Those that are productive will just as soon discover there is no point in being productive if those that are not are reaping the benefit of their labor. They will stop producing or will find a way to keep more of what their labor earns.

Socialism can not work since governments do not create the wealth they wish to distribute. Running the printing press or borrowing will only keep the engine running is like an ocean going steam ship that ran out of coal, and begins burning everything on the ship. Eventually there is nothing left to burn. If the ship had not made it to a port by then, all is lost.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 3:40:36 PM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: J. Worthington

I am of the opinion that our future presidents will be the winners of Democratic Party primaries, future general elections being nothing but a formality maintaining the pretense of democracy. George W. Bush will have the distinction of being our last Republican president. Secession is a fantasy of those who can’t bear to face the reality of our sovietesque future and the end of the American dream. As for red states, blue states, the little matter of amnesty and open borders will change demographics dramatically and quickly. Texas is probably next to shift, and then it won’t matter. The Republican Party at best will be relegated to its comfortable minority status, and its members will spend the next couple of decades blaming other Republicans. It will be the fault of RINOs, the fault of social conservatives, the fault of neocons or Bush’s fault, but none of it will make a damn bit of difference because the last election was a turning point in this nation’s significance, not to mention our politics. The American people have spited themselves, and sold out our heritage. The Republican Party is on its way to becoming a footnote that adds no illumination to the general text. But this is just my opinion. I hope I am wrong.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 3:42:21 PM PST by pallis
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To: J. Worthington

Much of the world seems to be in decline and at a rate of geometrical progression.
The America that I left for good in 2004 appears to be going over a cliff.
I scratch my head every day wondering how a totally unknown
mulatto boy with few, and likely bogus credentials, and from God only knows where, became POTUS, and even reelected.
I am now thankful that I was able to enjoy post Communist central Europe before the EU.
I am in my late 60s and enjoying a simple life on my beach in the third world Philippines.

I can not imagine what the world will be like in another ten years.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 3:48:10 PM PST by AlexW
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To: pallis

****** “It will be the fault of RINOs, the fault of social conservatives, the fault of neocons or Bush’s fault” ******

See ... you are already writing MSM Headlines

No matter what our dear leader does, no matter what fate befalls us ...

If you give up, you lost...

I’m not Tapping Out, you have to Break the Bone or Choke me Out... I do not Surrender, (We have a few more Rounds left)

TT


23 posted on 11/26/2012 4:00:51 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Windflier

If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President. He is not much better but he is a Republican.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 4:01:44 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President. He is not much better but he is a Republican.

There was a column about that last week in WND.

Today it appears with a note:

Editor’s note, Nov. 20, 2012: Since this column was posted it has been discovered that the premise presented about the Electoral College and the Constitution is in error. According to the 12th Amendment, a two-thirds quorum is required in the House of Representatives, not the Electoral College.

So I guess it won't work.

25 posted on 11/26/2012 4:04:50 PM PST by x
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To: RIghtwardHo
Very good post. You are correct that the secession petitions are meaningless. Nothing more than disappointed folks registering another vote against Obama online. 675,000 signatures on an online petition is peanuts. You could get that many to "like" a terrible music video.

Furthermore, the U.S. will not remain divided. It will move more and more towards one direction and that direction is not us. The demographic changes are clear and convincing. Furthermore, these groups voted HEAVILY for the Rats.

This is the unmistakeable truth. People will try to paper over these demographic changes yet again. I already see the articles claiming the Hispanic vote didn't matter THAT much, or that the fact we know lose Asians by even greater numbers than Hispanic's isn't a big deal. The truth is demographics are working against us and in a generation we may not be able to win Texas. Minority voters just do not share the same concepts of rugged individualism and free markets in governments. They aren't taught this in schools (here or in the countries of origin) and they have no history of it.

Of course we are upset about the election and the direction of our Nation. But unless we work on selling Conservatism as a governing philosophy, there will be no division, separation, etc. There will only be our complete and utter demise

We are stuck in the weeds arguing over how much to trim this program, or grow that program, etc. We aren't, as a party, talking about big things. I am not a fan of Ron Paul because I think his foreign and defense policies are nuts, but he has the general idea. The concept of a liberty movement is great. The idea that we eliminate government to liberate people is the way to argue this.

I am extremely pessimistic myself. Yes, we have a leadership problem, yes the entrenched GOP establishment cares more about their cushy jobs and perks than doing big things, but at the end of the day..........we have a people problem. What currently passes as the American public has bought the social welfare kool-aid. It's not that most Americans are radicals or something. They aren't. But Obama comes across as very reasonable and people are very sympathetic to him and the causes he champions. Most people are followers, and they WANT to like Obama. They hear things like "balanced approach" and it sounds good to them. Add the fact that our media and entertainment establishment constantly beats the drums in support of liberalism and I don't see a lot of reason for optimism in the short term.

26 posted on 11/26/2012 4:13:09 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Blood of Tyrants

never underestimate the power of bronco bama.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 4:20:39 PM PST by brivette
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President.

The collective resolve to take drastic measures against this tyranny hasn't yet coalesced to that point.

Give it til the mid-term elections and we'll see how far the red states are willing to go to stand up to this menace. None of us can say with any certainty at this point, just what form that resistance will take, but it's coming.

28 posted on 11/26/2012 4:27:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Longbow1969
The truth is demographics are working against us and in a generation we may not be able to win Texas.

I think it's impossible to predict what people will want "in a generation." Right now, we have an aging population and an aging population is a population in which the the percentage of older, more dependent, people is growing rather than shrinking. If the number of senior citizens in a society is growing relative to everyone else, the tide favors more government involvement (i.e., socialism).

"In a generation," when most of the Baby Boomers are dead and gone and the population is getting younger rather than older, the tide could easily favor less rather than more government.

And, beyond that, I can't even tell you what new interests, new issues, new alliances and new candidates might be relevant in 2016. When Nixon resigned in 1974, folks thought the GOP was dead.

29 posted on 11/26/2012 4:27:13 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: x

bummer.


30 posted on 11/26/2012 4:34:00 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Tau Food
The first step in the process of a legal secession would be to amend the Constitution to provide for secession procedures. That would be hard

I've heard people claim that the US Constitution forbids secession by any state, but I've never seen anyone cite the Article, Section, or Amendment which states this.

I'm not even going to ask that you do so. I'm just going to state the self evident truth that any people have the inalienable right to leave a political union they no longer wish to be part of. This is especially true of our (supposedly) sovereign states.

31 posted on 11/26/2012 4:35:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

yep


32 posted on 11/26/2012 4:36:38 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: TexasTransplant
I’m not Tapping Out, you have to Break the Bone or Choke me Out... I do not Surrender

Well said. I'm with you, fellow Texan.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 4:40:28 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
You're right about there being no point in debating the legality of secession. And, you're right about the meaning of the Declaration of Independence.

However, as I see it, there isn't any meaningful support for secession or revolution. The folks who signed the Declaration pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. They played for keeps. There aren't ten thousand people in this country who are prepared to die over social issues like abortion or homosexual rights, or over economic issues like whether the highest marginal tax rate should be 35% or 39%, Obamacare, the Federal Reserve, etc.

If I were to become so unhappy with the USA that I couldn't take it anymore, I would emigrate rather than just sit here complaining.

Patience. Wait long enough and the pendulum will be swinging the other way.

34 posted on 11/26/2012 4:44:11 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: J. Worthington
It is a matter of "when" and "how", not "if."

The strength of the union is in having 50 separate states able to govern themselves and in keeping the federal government focused items like defense that are less political in nature.

Now the central government is trying to force conformity on people who really have nothing in common at the same time its politicians are driving a wedge between those same people.

Not to mention that it is spending at a rate that is going to produce serious solvency problems sooner rather than later.

We are well past the point where we can ever have another president who can do anything to unite the nation. A democrat has no reason to, he benefits from divisiveness. A republican can't, because he will never get any credit or airtime for implementing democratic policies.

35 posted on 11/26/2012 4:46:56 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Tau Food
However, as I see it, there isn't any meaningful support for secession or revolution.

Give it twenty four more months (if that). The inmates are in charge of the nut house, and they're going to take this country down a path like we've never seen. In short order, too, I might add.

The smart folks are already battening down the hatches and preparing for extremely 'interesting times'.

Anything can happen at this point.

36 posted on 11/26/2012 4:48:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: exnavy
Remember, the highest value targets are politicians, lawyers, leftists...

Let's put the media where they belong at the head of that list.

37 posted on 11/26/2012 4:53:24 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President.

That bears no resemblance to the election procedures set forth in the Constitution. The Electoral College requires no quorum - the quorum only comes in if the Electoral College fails to elect a President, and the vote goes to the House (there must be a quorum of states voting in the House). Moreover, even if it DID end up in the hands of the House, it would not "default to Boehner as President" - the House would be Constitutionally limited to choosing between the highest vote-getters in the Electoral College (e.g., Romney and Obama).

38 posted on 11/26/2012 4:59:59 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Tau Food

“There doesn’t exist a state or even a county in which a significant percentage of the population would ever consider turning against the USA.”

What do you mean? Democrats have been doing it for decades.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 5:13:21 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Windflier
Of course, anything can happen, but not many folks really see these political issues in an existential sort of way. A few people have seen these issues as matters of life and death. Joseph Stack gave his life to protest the IRS, Timothy McVeigh died for his beliefs, and Eric Rudolph gave up his liberty over abortion. Now he hangs out with the Unabomber (another guy who didn't like the direction that this country was taking).

But, these are exceptions. Ninety nine percent of the public loves this country despite all of its faults. And, that's just not going to change. We've been through too much together.

40 posted on 11/26/2012 5:19:57 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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41 posted on 11/26/2012 5:20:41 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: exnavy
Remember, the highest value targets are politicians, lawyers, leftists, and anyone still stupid enough to have an Obama sticker on their bumper.

I know you covered it with the leftists, but lets be specific and include the MSM too.
42 posted on 11/26/2012 5:27:22 PM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: J. Worthington
No, the last was James Buchanan.

Lincoln was not inaugurated until March of 1861. South Carolina seceded December 20, 1860 . . . Mississippi January 9, 1861 . . . Florida January 10, 1861 . . . Alabama January 11, 1861 . . . Georgia January 19, 1861 . . . Louisiana January 26, 1861 . . . Texas February 1, 1861 . . . And thus, even before Lincoln took office, these United States came to an end. And you thought they still existed? How silly of you.

43 posted on 11/26/2012 5:35:03 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Tau Food
Ninety nine percent of the public loves this country despite all of its faults. And, that's just not going to change. We've been through too much together.

I agree with you, except that the political left is no longer part of the 'we' that you're talking about. The glue that once held both sides of the political divide together, has now been dissolved. The hard-core left has been working ceaselessly since FDR's time to unbind that glue, and now they've finally succeeded.

The 'we' who still resonate to your passionate words, are all standing on one side of the aisle now, wondering what's to become of our beloved country and its traditions, culture, etc. These are thoughts and concerns which are now disturbing the core of most people who truly love America, and few have any good answers as to how we can restore it.

Frankly, after this election, I'm not so sure it's even possible. The left will now take this opportunity to make their domination over our government permanent. You can bank on it.

And if that is to be the case, then it's time for the red states to pull out of the union. It's either that, or succumb to a darkness we can scarcely imagine.

44 posted on 11/26/2012 5:36:24 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MrChips

Point taken. Just call me “daffy.” ;-)


45 posted on 11/26/2012 5:44:41 PM PST by J. Worthington
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To: Windflier
After LBJ's landslide in 1964, many people thought that we had become a one-party country. Then, four years later, Nixon won. After Nixon's landslide in 1972, people were trying to figure out how the extreme left wing Democrats could win again. Two years later, Nixon resigned and four years later, in 1976, Carter beat Ford. Four years after that, Reagan stomped Carter.

There has not even been any landslides lately. Obama didn't win by much. In view of our history, how can anyone seriously think that the GOP is dead? If history is any guide, the GOP will probably win again in 2016. The "darkness" you predict is just not consistent with the ebbs and flows of our history.

Personally, I think that if Romney had won, the current leftward trend would have been more pronounced than it will be with Obama. Romney would have implemented the same liberal policies with the support of the Democrats and a whole lot of RINO's. But, those socialist policies, whether they come from Obama or Romney, will in the long run fail and things will be moving back in the other direction.

In the long run, I am optimistic. I guess I agree with what you've written on your home page:

"I believe strongly in the doctrine of “American Exceptionalism”. No other country in the history of the world has given so much to the people of earth. Because of this, I remain convinced that no matter the threats we face as a people, whether foreign or domestic, that we will eventually triumph over them."

46 posted on 11/26/2012 5:58:46 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
There doesn't exist a state or even a county in which a significant percentage of the population would ever consider turning against the USA.

. . . yet.

47 posted on 11/26/2012 7:02:47 PM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: J. Worthington

bump


48 posted on 11/26/2012 7:11:55 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree

Thank you all for the thoughtful responses. They have provoked me to think further. Love FR and the opportunity to engage in reasoned discourse.

John


49 posted on 11/26/2012 7:28:08 PM PST by J. Worthington
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To: J. Worthington
Well, I am just now getting to this thread. I often wish the coastal regions would secede. I have watched while the left takes step after step toward their socialist nightmare.

A deal is struck. They get their half a loaf. It a little while they come back for more get half of the rest of the loaf which leaves only 25% and so forth. I am sick of the majority having to live like the minority wants. Can't even have a nativity scene. Pretty soon veterans won't be allowed to have crosses on their graves.

Still, no matter what, we know that Socialism, Communism, and Fascism will fail. That is the history of the world. Unless, God decides to intervene, and save the USA we'll no doubt go through the same sequence that other nations have.

Here's the sequence mentioned by Alexander Tyler: From bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to abundance, from abundance to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again into bondage.

Prepare not just your food, shelter, security,etc, but also prepare spiritually and especially prepare your children and grandchildren to have great faith. They will be the faithful of great courage that will set the stage to lead our descendants out of bondage.

We may not live to see it, but I have no doubt that should this be the demise of the USA, that we will rise again.

50 posted on 11/26/2012 8:09:39 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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