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Why Barack H. Obama will be the last President of the “United” States
Me | John Gonzales

Posted on 11/26/2012 2:41:58 PM PST by J. Worthington

Why Barack H. Obama will be the last President of the “United” States

By John Gonzales

Consider the current rifts in our American society. After four years of this administration’s divisive rhetoric and policies, we have been divided - then subdivided - into a disparate consortium of “voting” blocks. We are a society that identifies its members by political party, race, income brackets, social and religious affiliations, then again: pro-life, pro-choice, the 47%, the dependant class, the wealthy, millionaires (defined by this administration as anyone making more than $250,000 annually), social conservatives clinging to their guns and bibles, liberals, Christians, atheists, tax payers, welfare takers, wall street, main street, gay, straight, illegal immigrants (sorry, undocumented workers), racists, constitutionalists, statists, and the list goes on.

Four years, during which our country has become more segregated than it has been since the great Civil War, with the central issues being slavery and individual states’ rights. The divisions ran so deep and wide, and the positions were so passionately held, that it pitted father against son, and brother against brother. So divided were we that we took up arms against each other. That was then, this is now.

Four years of entrenching the current polarization to the point of institutionalizing it in our politics, in our courts and worst of all in our schools. This generation of children, our future, will have been subjected to eight years learning and studying this new normal. George Orwell said, in his prophetic book 1984, “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” Ask yourself who has control of this present, because their “narrative” will shape (and reshape when needed) the past for our children and therefore they will define our future.

Now fast forward to 2016, after four more years of the same shaping. How much more divided can we become? I earnestly believe that we can become much more separated from each other as Americans. And the more we separate from each other and allow ourselves to be categorized and identified in this manner, the deeper the trench, the wider the chasm, and the longer it will take to repair and recover the “unity” of being identified as Americans.

Consider that in just the last 60 days over 675,000 Americans in 50 states have signed petitions asking for state secession from our union. Of course, these (mostly online) petitions have no formal legal bearing because our constitution does not identify a process for secession, and the very act was deemed illegal as an outcome of our US Civil War. Coupled with the fact that these petitions have currently been filed by individual citizens, not state government officials, it makes the reality of secession highly improbable, for now.

However, if we apply the universal formula for dissatisfaction: that for every one person who takes the time and makes the effort to complain about a particular business, there are 10 other consumers who feel the same but do not express it. And by placing the US in the role of the business, and its citizens cast in the role of its customers, we can extrapolate that no fewer than 6,500,000 of our fellow citizens feel the same way, a bit more substantial. And although this still only constitutes 2% of the total US population, remember that those signers of these secession petitions are only those signing in the last 60 days or less. After another four years, I wonder.

Now, here comes the “catch” in my missive. I believe that change is imminent. Profound change is racing towards our country and our world like a tsunami. One that will bring difficulties that will dwarf any this present generation has seen. As Americans, we are facing the same national turmoil we witness today in Greece, Spain, Egypt, Libya, Iran, France, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, etc. Turmoil that enflames a divided citizenry, ignited because of financial chaos, politics or religion.

With four more years of this widening separation, and the clock ticking faster than the last 10 seconds of an episode of “Chopped,” I fear that restoring our “United” States may take longer than we have.

On June 17, 1858, Abraham Lincoln famously told the US "A house divided cannot stand." But today our country is exactly that - divided.


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To: J. Worthington

I am of the opinion that our future presidents will be the winners of Democratic Party primaries, future general elections being nothing but a formality maintaining the pretense of democracy. George W. Bush will have the distinction of being our last Republican president. Secession is a fantasy of those who can’t bear to face the reality of our sovietesque future and the end of the American dream. As for red states, blue states, the little matter of amnesty and open borders will change demographics dramatically and quickly. Texas is probably next to shift, and then it won’t matter. The Republican Party at best will be relegated to its comfortable minority status, and its members will spend the next couple of decades blaming other Republicans. It will be the fault of RINOs, the fault of social conservatives, the fault of neocons or Bush’s fault, but none of it will make a damn bit of difference because the last election was a turning point in this nation’s significance, not to mention our politics. The American people have spited themselves, and sold out our heritage. The Republican Party is on its way to becoming a footnote that adds no illumination to the general text. But this is just my opinion. I hope I am wrong.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 3:42:21 PM PST by pallis
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To: J. Worthington

Much of the world seems to be in decline and at a rate of geometrical progression.
The America that I left for good in 2004 appears to be going over a cliff.
I scratch my head every day wondering how a totally unknown
mulatto boy with few, and likely bogus credentials, and from God only knows where, became POTUS, and even reelected.
I am now thankful that I was able to enjoy post Communist central Europe before the EU.
I am in my late 60s and enjoying a simple life on my beach in the third world Philippines.

I can not imagine what the world will be like in another ten years.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 3:48:10 PM PST by AlexW
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To: pallis

****** “It will be the fault of RINOs, the fault of social conservatives, the fault of neocons or Bush’s fault” ******

See ... you are already writing MSM Headlines

No matter what our dear leader does, no matter what fate befalls us ...

If you give up, you lost...

I’m not Tapping Out, you have to Break the Bone or Choke me Out... I do not Surrender, (We have a few more Rounds left)

TT


23 posted on 11/26/2012 4:00:51 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Windflier

If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President. He is not much better but he is a Republican.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 4:01:44 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President. He is not much better but he is a Republican.

There was a column about that last week in WND.

Today it appears with a note:

Editor’s note, Nov. 20, 2012: Since this column was posted it has been discovered that the premise presented about the Electoral College and the Constitution is in error. According to the 12th Amendment, a two-thirds quorum is required in the House of Representatives, not the Electoral College.

So I guess it won't work.

25 posted on 11/26/2012 4:04:50 PM PST by x
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To: RIghtwardHo
Very good post. You are correct that the secession petitions are meaningless. Nothing more than disappointed folks registering another vote against Obama online. 675,000 signatures on an online petition is peanuts. You could get that many to "like" a terrible music video.

Furthermore, the U.S. will not remain divided. It will move more and more towards one direction and that direction is not us. The demographic changes are clear and convincing. Furthermore, these groups voted HEAVILY for the Rats.

This is the unmistakeable truth. People will try to paper over these demographic changes yet again. I already see the articles claiming the Hispanic vote didn't matter THAT much, or that the fact we know lose Asians by even greater numbers than Hispanic's isn't a big deal. The truth is demographics are working against us and in a generation we may not be able to win Texas. Minority voters just do not share the same concepts of rugged individualism and free markets in governments. They aren't taught this in schools (here or in the countries of origin) and they have no history of it.

Of course we are upset about the election and the direction of our Nation. But unless we work on selling Conservatism as a governing philosophy, there will be no division, separation, etc. There will only be our complete and utter demise

We are stuck in the weeds arguing over how much to trim this program, or grow that program, etc. We aren't, as a party, talking about big things. I am not a fan of Ron Paul because I think his foreign and defense policies are nuts, but he has the general idea. The concept of a liberty movement is great. The idea that we eliminate government to liberate people is the way to argue this.

I am extremely pessimistic myself. Yes, we have a leadership problem, yes the entrenched GOP establishment cares more about their cushy jobs and perks than doing big things, but at the end of the day..........we have a people problem. What currently passes as the American public has bought the social welfare kool-aid. It's not that most Americans are radicals or something. They aren't. But Obama comes across as very reasonable and people are very sympathetic to him and the causes he champions. Most people are followers, and they WANT to like Obama. They hear things like "balanced approach" and it sounds good to them. Add the fact that our media and entertainment establishment constantly beats the drums in support of liberalism and I don't see a lot of reason for optimism in the short term.

26 posted on 11/26/2012 4:13:09 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Blood of Tyrants

never underestimate the power of bronco bama.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 4:20:39 PM PST by brivette
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President.

The collective resolve to take drastic measures against this tyranny hasn't yet coalesced to that point.

Give it til the mid-term elections and we'll see how far the red states are willing to go to stand up to this menace. None of us can say with any certainty at this point, just what form that resistance will take, but it's coming.

28 posted on 11/26/2012 4:27:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Longbow1969
The truth is demographics are working against us and in a generation we may not be able to win Texas.

I think it's impossible to predict what people will want "in a generation." Right now, we have an aging population and an aging population is a population in which the the percentage of older, more dependent, people is growing rather than shrinking. If the number of senior citizens in a society is growing relative to everyone else, the tide favors more government involvement (i.e., socialism).

"In a generation," when most of the Baby Boomers are dead and gone and the population is getting younger rather than older, the tide could easily favor less rather than more government.

And, beyond that, I can't even tell you what new interests, new issues, new alliances and new candidates might be relevant in 2016. When Nixon resigned in 1974, folks thought the GOP was dead.

29 posted on 11/26/2012 4:27:13 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: x

bummer.


30 posted on 11/26/2012 4:34:00 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Tau Food
The first step in the process of a legal secession would be to amend the Constitution to provide for secession procedures. That would be hard

I've heard people claim that the US Constitution forbids secession by any state, but I've never seen anyone cite the Article, Section, or Amendment which states this.

I'm not even going to ask that you do so. I'm just going to state the self evident truth that any people have the inalienable right to leave a political union they no longer wish to be part of. This is especially true of our (supposedly) sovereign states.

31 posted on 11/26/2012 4:35:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

yep


32 posted on 11/26/2012 4:36:38 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: TexasTransplant
I’m not Tapping Out, you have to Break the Bone or Choke me Out... I do not Surrender

Well said. I'm with you, fellow Texan.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 4:40:28 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
You're right about there being no point in debating the legality of secession. And, you're right about the meaning of the Declaration of Independence.

However, as I see it, there isn't any meaningful support for secession or revolution. The folks who signed the Declaration pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. They played for keeps. There aren't ten thousand people in this country who are prepared to die over social issues like abortion or homosexual rights, or over economic issues like whether the highest marginal tax rate should be 35% or 39%, Obamacare, the Federal Reserve, etc.

If I were to become so unhappy with the USA that I couldn't take it anymore, I would emigrate rather than just sit here complaining.

Patience. Wait long enough and the pendulum will be swinging the other way.

34 posted on 11/26/2012 4:44:11 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: J. Worthington
It is a matter of "when" and "how", not "if."

The strength of the union is in having 50 separate states able to govern themselves and in keeping the federal government focused items like defense that are less political in nature.

Now the central government is trying to force conformity on people who really have nothing in common at the same time its politicians are driving a wedge between those same people.

Not to mention that it is spending at a rate that is going to produce serious solvency problems sooner rather than later.

We are well past the point where we can ever have another president who can do anything to unite the nation. A democrat has no reason to, he benefits from divisiveness. A republican can't, because he will never get any credit or airtime for implementing democratic policies.

35 posted on 11/26/2012 4:46:56 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Tau Food
However, as I see it, there isn't any meaningful support for secession or revolution.

Give it twenty four more months (if that). The inmates are in charge of the nut house, and they're going to take this country down a path like we've never seen. In short order, too, I might add.

The smart folks are already battening down the hatches and preparing for extremely 'interesting times'.

Anything can happen at this point.

36 posted on 11/26/2012 4:48:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: exnavy
Remember, the highest value targets are politicians, lawyers, leftists...

Let's put the media where they belong at the head of that list.

37 posted on 11/26/2012 4:53:24 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
If the Red States were serious, they would boycott the Electoral College(no quorum)and force a vote in the House and Senate, with a default to Boehner as President.

That bears no resemblance to the election procedures set forth in the Constitution. The Electoral College requires no quorum - the quorum only comes in if the Electoral College fails to elect a President, and the vote goes to the House (there must be a quorum of states voting in the House). Moreover, even if it DID end up in the hands of the House, it would not "default to Boehner as President" - the House would be Constitutionally limited to choosing between the highest vote-getters in the Electoral College (e.g., Romney and Obama).

38 posted on 11/26/2012 4:59:59 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Tau Food

“There doesn’t exist a state or even a county in which a significant percentage of the population would ever consider turning against the USA.”

What do you mean? Democrats have been doing it for decades.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 5:13:21 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Windflier
Of course, anything can happen, but not many folks really see these political issues in an existential sort of way. A few people have seen these issues as matters of life and death. Joseph Stack gave his life to protest the IRS, Timothy McVeigh died for his beliefs, and Eric Rudolph gave up his liberty over abortion. Now he hangs out with the Unabomber (another guy who didn't like the direction that this country was taking).

But, these are exceptions. Ninety nine percent of the public loves this country despite all of its faults. And, that's just not going to change. We've been through too much together.

40 posted on 11/26/2012 5:19:57 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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