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Occupy And Labor Argue That Higher Wages Can Solve Fiscal Cliff (Spew-worthy)
NYU Local ^ | November 27, 2012 | Brett Chamberlin

Posted on 11/27/2012 3:37:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With the fiscal cliff looming, the deficit ballooning and the economy far from booming, the ongoing debate over how best to address the nation’s economic woes remains unsettled. Now, labor leaders and Occupy networks are agitating for what may be the fix: higher wages.

This Black Friday, workers at Walmart and other big box stores in 47 states began unprecedented demonstrations calling for higher wages and benefits. Although widespread and formally organized strikes have yet to be seen, the growing movement is likely to drive a larger national conversation about the way tens of millions of American workers are compensated.

Take Walmart, the nation’s largest private employer. There, the average sales associate makes $8.81/hour. Working full time (Walmart defines that as 34 hours per week), that person takes home less than $16,000 ever year. To put that in perspective, the federal poverty level for a family of four is $22,000; hence the label “poverty wages.”

It’s not just the fault of private employers, who typically pursue the wage floor set by the federal and state governments. The federal minimum wage remains at the low low rate of $7.25, less than it was in 1968 (inflation adjusted). Even working a full 40 hour week, that rate still leaves many Americans below poverty level.

Following his election in 2008, President Obama proposed a gradual increase of the federal minimum wage, to $9.50 an hour by 2011. That never materialized, but the promise remains on the transitional website of the President-elect...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: economy; minimumwage; obama; occupy; ows; unions
About the Author

Brett Chamberlin is a Senior in the College of Arts and Science, pursuing a dual major in Politics and Journalism. In his free time, Brett brought back Arrested Development, dissed Sarah Palin, and enjoys trolling religious bigots. On Twitter: @99Brett

1 posted on 11/27/2012 3:37:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So set the minimum wage to $25 and the problem is solved, right? Hey, why not $35? I’m feeling overly generous today. And free health care for all! And real parties - with presents! And pudding. And I want a pony.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 3:55:29 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Happy 10th FR birthday to meeeeeeeeee)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is the most imbecile premise I have seen in at least 10 minutes.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 3:58:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NonValueAdded
So set the minimum wage to $25 and the problem is solved, right? Hey, why not $35? I’m feeling overly generous today. And free health care for all! And real parties - with presents! And pudding. And I want a pony.

Don't forget the unicorns and rainbows.
4 posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:00 PM PST by nonamer
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To: NonValueAdded

You’re not too far off! Last year, when the occupy movement began, their “platform” consisted of a $20/hr min wage, free health care, free education, forgiveness of all debt, and a host of other goodies.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 4:09:37 PM PST by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: GeronL
10 minutes? Sure. But take a gander at this thread, and observe FReepers arguing that the path away from the ledge of the fiscal cliff is "jobs."
6 posted on 11/27/2012 4:09:42 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems reminiscent of the Carter years.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 4:12:08 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what are these two groups going to do when there are no American businessess left to feed them? Who's going to get up in the morning to plant the wheat?

9 posted on 11/27/2012 4:12:08 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NonValueAdded

With a minimum wage of $25/hr, a BigMac will cost $10. No wonder the Treasury Department is eliminating pennies and nickels.


10 posted on 11/27/2012 4:14:22 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: 1rudeboy

dude. In the past 10 minutes I had seen posts about sex with human bones, Germany outlawing the pimping of animals for sex, GOP thinking amnesty will help win elections, and the owner of the Palm Beach Post wanting to launch a “conservative” website....


11 posted on 11/27/2012 4:14:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Duuuude.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 4:20:04 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Liz; AT7Saluki
Now, labor leaders and Occupy networks are agitating for what may be the fix: higher wages.

Heard a union story today. A local plant pays union thugs in 'groups'. Say it's a group of five workers. If one worker puts in 60 hours for the week, everyone in the group gets paid for 60 hours even if everyone else worked 40. Neat deal.

13 posted on 11/27/2012 4:24:08 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IOW, the author wants to flush his credibility down the toilet right away.

As far as wages go, it’s the worth of the dollar more than anything. The average manufacturing job’s wage back in the 50s (average, mind you) was the equivalent of about $14/hr in 2012 dollars. Get excessive micromanaging regulation out of the way, as well as incredibly excessive taxation, and you will be able to attract more jobs back to the USA to the point where the socialistic “benefit” programs can be torpedoed—which should happen ASAP per Benjamin Franklin’s maxim on making the poor uncomfortable in poverty.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 4:24:56 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Serious question. When wages go up, prices go up to get enough profit to pay the higher wages and invest in growth. Right? So if wages go up and prices go up, how does the increased wage help you get ahead? You have more money to buy things that cost more than ever. Makes no sense.

Also, say you have a burger flipper making 10.00 an hour. And you have the team leader making, 12. 00 an hour and a manager making 16.00 dollars an hour. If you give the first two raises to say, 12.00 and 14.00, don’t you have to give the manager a raise too? Where do the raises stop?

Okay so yeah. I’ve never been to business school or owned a business thats obvious. I’m working on common sense here. I’ve just never understood why the lefties think that higher wages is a cure all. To me it defies common sense.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:10 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To the left, and many FReepers I’ve seen (try reading ksen on this thread - what a loser: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2963421/posts), believe the job of a business is to provide employment. Of course, they want a “living wage”.

This is pure crap. It’s a job. Take it or leave it. Last time I checked, WalMart doesn’t go around putting guns to people’s heads and force them to work.

It’s typical left wing BS thinking - a “job” has to provide for your every need. This idea sits well with those who can’t find a good paying job because they are IDIOTS!


16 posted on 11/27/2012 4:27:04 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: Libloather

Oh we know how that’ll turn out.... Twentieth Century Motors


17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:28:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

Trying to use common sense and logic to understand the left is like trying to teach your cat to fix your car


18 posted on 11/27/2012 4:30:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

Same thing happens when they raise the “minimum wage”. If it goes from $7 to $7.50 then everyone in between had to be raised. And what happens to the person that started a few years ago at $7 and worked up to $8? The new floor of $7.50 now basically ignores their advancement and so they want $8.50 or more.

The concept of minimum wage is marxist.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 4:30:37 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any person who thinks they are worth more than they are being paid can easily prove whether that is true. They can go work for themselves. If they make more than at their job, they were underpaid and can keep going on their own. If they make less, they better go back to their regular job and be grateful that they are overpaid.

I did both at once at times. It worked out.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 4:31:20 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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FReepathon Day 58.

21 posted on 11/27/2012 4:31:55 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where do the "wages" come from?

A printing press?

A company that earns no profit pays no wages in very short order.

22 posted on 11/27/2012 4:49:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: erie lakawanna

Please tell us all how to raise wages while maintaining or growing employment. Perhaps those under $10 an hour workers at Wal-Mart and similar establishments should either get more training to make themselves more valuable to employers, start their own businesses or work their way up the retail ladder. Did you know that Wal-Mart managers make six and seven figure salaries?


23 posted on 11/27/2012 4:53:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Fledermaus

Leftists are angry, dangerous children.

And it strikes me lately that they seem to think that wealth equality is the ONLY thing that matters in life.

Is it now unPC to say that it is often the case that there are manycontent poor people and many miserable wealthy people? Money really isn’t everything. Isn’t there still something to be said for being content with your station in life? Many people find peace in living simply. Or am I not supposed to say that?


24 posted on 11/27/2012 5:09:36 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewiscrate)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

It’s called wage-push inflation and the effects are well-known.

It leads to higher unemployment and a slower economy eventually.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 6:01:17 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And I should suppose that Brett is a poster child for the Food Stamp President’s proposal that “everyone” attend college, even the mentally deficient and mentally ill.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 7:08:22 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: erie lakawanna
Does anyone think the economy can truly recover without wages rising? Low wages are the reason so many people are using government welfare programs and voting for the Democrats. Poor people don’t vote Republican. People trapped in no benefits, part time Walmart jobs don’t vote Republican.

Think about it. Wages is a part of every business model - they are factored into the cost of the products/services. If wages are arbitrarily raised, then the cost of everything will also have to be increased. Raise the minimum wage to $100/hr and the next day that $100/hr has the same buying power as the $10/hr had before the wages went up. I grew up in the '50s and my uncle made about $50/week in '60. He was able to afford an apartment and a new car. Ask yourself why wages and prices have gotten so much higher over the last 50 years or so. What drive costs and wages up? How does it affect people? If costs go up due to outside interference and wages remain static because the business is not making more money even though it has to charge more, what does that mean to the consumer? Why does money devalue?

27 posted on 11/28/2012 2:34:07 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just after Pelosi and Reid took the Congressional branch in 2006, one of the first actions they did was to push for a raise in minimum wage. Immediately after the UE rate started climbing and gas started to spike.

I’m sure it was not the cause of the housing bubble burst, however I do believe it was the “straw that broke the camels back.”

It must be nice to wake up as a liberal every morning with no knowledge of history and only filled with utopian hopes and dreams....


28 posted on 11/28/2012 9:14:48 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: erie lakawanna

“Does anyone think the economy can truly recover without wages rising?....Low wages are the reason so many people are using government welfare programs and voting for the Democrats. “

Wages are irrelevant. What is relevant is purchasing power. What these same dopes are advocating is a 1 for 1 increase in labor and price. In fact, their “higher wage” will actually be a net decline in the purchasing power of those receiving that wage. For every $1 increase in wage, it costs the employer at least $1.10 and as much as $1.35.

In addition, that minimum wage increase not only negatively effects min wage employees, but it does not translate into an across the board raise for all employees. So, the few workers that will benefit will harm everyone’s purchasing power. In the article, it compares a $16K/yr wage with $22K as the poverty line. So, let’s do the math and assume a raise from $16K to $22K, 22-16=6*1.10=6.6.

Now, you can see that this gives the laborer $6K, but costs the employer $6,600 per employee. That cost is added to the goods produced or services offered, and all of a sudden you now have less purchasing power before the big raise! Plus, those making $25K now do not get the raise, but they do get to pay higher prices....

Don’t worry tho, we will be able to talk about how great the government was for giving so much to the poor people, but that was all cancelled out by the evil corporation stealing it all away!

If I were a leftist, I’d just advocate that we raise taxes on those employers! That’ll drive those prices down.


29 posted on 11/28/2012 9:26:49 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Axiomatic flaw: they think money IS wealth.
It’s not. It represents wealth.
$1 = (total national economic value) / (money supply)
Increase the minimum wage, and we’ll have to increase the money supply, devaluing a dollar to a smaller fraction of total wealth.


30 posted on 11/28/2012 10:15:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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