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Russia's Cossacks Start Patrolling Moscow Streets
ABC News ^ | Nov. 27. 2012 | Max Seddom

Posted on 11/27/2012 8:24:38 PM PST by cunning_fish

Renowned for their sword-fighting prowess and notorious for their anti-Semitism in czarist Russia, the Cossacks are taking on new foes: beggars, drunks and improperly parked cars.

With the approval of city authorities, eight Cossacks clad in traditional fur hats and uniforms patrolled a Moscow train station on Tuesday looking for signs of minor public disturbances.

The Kremlin is seeking to use the once-feared paramilitary squads in its new drive to promote conservative values and appeal to nationalists.

The southern Krasnodar province — which includes Sochi, the site of the 2014 Winter Olympics — launched Cossack patrols in September to crack down on Muslim migrants from the neighboring Caucasus. Now they've made it to the Russian capital.

Cossacks trace their history in Russia back to the 15th century. Serving in the czarist cavalry, they spearheaded imperial Russia's expansion in exchange for special privileges, including the right to govern their own villages. In the 2010 census, about 650,000 Russians declared themselves Cossacks.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Local News; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: conservatism; cossaks; immigration; russia
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1 posted on 11/27/2012 8:24:51 PM PST by cunning_fish
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2 posted on 11/27/2012 8:32:58 PM PST by redhead (Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number $16,000,000,000,000)
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To: cunning_fish

Sword fighting prowess?

3 posted on 11/27/2012 8:33:02 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: cunning_fish

How in the hell does Putin “promote conservative values” in Russia, when we can’t do it here?


4 posted on 11/27/2012 8:40:09 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

How can a KGB officer even be dedicated to “conservative values” much less know what they are?


5 posted on 11/27/2012 9:03:57 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Read Pravda, comrade.:)) It might look like a world has flipped but seems like they got to get things right.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 9:15:07 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Olog-hai

When will the Cossacks get to patrol on horseback?


7 posted on 11/27/2012 9:35:03 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

You, of all people, would ask that...


8 posted on 11/27/2012 9:48:12 PM PST by null and void (Knowledge increases exponentially, wisdom increases logarithmically.)
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To: null and void

I guess I am a traditionalist—nothing like Cossacks on horses with whips to control a riot.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 9:53:03 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: cunning_fish

Who got things right?


10 posted on 11/27/2012 10:08:15 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The Russians now have it right. The USA has forgotten it.


11 posted on 11/27/2012 10:13:29 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: cunning_fish

Be wary of what sort of “Conservativism” they promote in Russia. It usually means nasty stuff from Soviet and/or Tzarist times.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 10:14:37 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Olog-hai

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2963031/posts
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13 posted on 11/27/2012 10:14:47 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Thunder90

+Be wary of what sort of “Conservativism” they promote in Russia. It usually means nasty stuff from Soviet and/or Tzarist times.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good point. But still cossak patrol vs Muslim immigrants sounds better than Muslim immigrants vs innocent people.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 10:18:19 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

I believe I read that one, and there are many indisputable points in it. But it doesn’t make Putin, Mr. Nationalize All The Oil And Gas In Russia and Mr. The Fall Of The Soviet Union Was The Greatest Geopolitical Catastrophe Of The Twentieth Century, in any way “conservative”.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 10:21:49 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cunning_fish

What if it turns into Cossack patrol versus innocent people . . . ?


16 posted on 11/27/2012 10:23:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

+I believe I read that one, and there are many indisputable points in it. But it doesn’t make Putin, Mr. Nationalize All The Oil And Gas In Russia and Mr. The Fall Of The Soviet Union Was The Greatest Geopolitical Catastrophe Of The Twentieth Century, in any way “conservative”.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good point. Putin doesn’t make a good Reagan for sure but you have to consider his background. He is pretty conservative for an environment he was born to and his policies are mostly steps in proper direction. He opposes both domestic leftists and Soros. BTW, this “Greatest Geopolitical Catastrophe” quote is picked out of context. Originally it doesn’t sound a bit like a nostalgy for communism.

Imagine, you are a Russian president. How could your policies look like?


17 posted on 11/27/2012 10:40:08 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Olog-hai

“How can a KGB officer even be dedicated to “conservative values” much less know what they are?”

Start with a Christian mother, live in the last decades of the communist regime, see it from the inside. And Russian history is filled with those on the inside, looking at it and seeing where it’s wrong.

So far he is actively opposing the importing of homosexual culture from us and the EU. He is obstructing the building of mosques in Moscow. Their paratroopers got an airdroppable Orthodox chapel, their new subs have one too. And he has warned us and the EU against the idea that prosperity comes from government. He called it a failed idea that they tried and suffered under. he has also called for a gold based trade currency so they cannot be screwed by fiat countries deliberate inflation. He instituted a 13% flat tax, deducted by the employer with no need to ever file a return. Their national debt is 6% of the GDP.

And horrifyingly, he puts his national interests ahead of the EU and ours.
He’s more conservative than most of the GOPe.

His path to get there was determined by where he was. But he has referenced his mothers Christianity as something he never forgot.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 10:43:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

+What if it turns into Cossack patrol versus innocent people . . . ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well, we shall see. I only hope they have a chance:)


19 posted on 11/27/2012 10:44:53 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Olog-hai

Nationalizing their oil and gas industries made sense. In the post USSR era, Russia was being utterly plundered. Factories, real estate, industries like oil and gas were all being privatized by whoever was strong enough to physicall gain possession of them.

In the oil and gas sector, the EU was moving to gain control of the supplies. Most strife surrounding them in the last decade, has revolved around EU efforts to control Russian gas and dictate supply and prices. The EU does not want Russia to be their Saudi Arabia in control of Europes gas. Furthermore, the EU wants to pay in Euros that are printed as needed.

In such a situation, the Russian government confiscated Yukos after a court judgement of massive tax evasion. It was what was best for the country financially, if compared to letting the EU own and run it all for their benefit.
All of this must seem strange to us, who accept as normal that American TARP funds should be propping up british and European banks, and funding Brazilian drilling.

While state ownership of oil and gas is not classically capitalist, it is the norm everywhere else. For example, in the UK, the State owns ALL rights to oil, gas, coal, gold and silver. And you are not drilling for oil anywhere in England unless you buy the rights from the government.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 11:01:51 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

You forgot to add that Yukos CEO and a left’s new “dissident” martyr Khodorkovski was a Soros’s operator and openly admitted it.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 11:07:36 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: DesertRhino

OK, you’ve defended Putin and his left-wing policies (and actions) in two separate posts, trying to call up down and left-wing as right, and nationalizing business as making sense. I am not buying it.

And as for Putin’s relations with the EU, whether good or bad, think of it as a return to Molotov-Ribbentrop.


22 posted on 11/27/2012 11:15:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cunning_fish

Does that give an excuse for nationalization? Let a GOP president try nationalization using the same excuse and not a soul would defend him. The whole situation surrounding Yukos ending up in Rosneft’s hands is far more corrupt than most of what’s happened in the USA thus far.


23 posted on 11/27/2012 11:19:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cunning_fish

Khodorkovsky is always cast as some sort of western businessman being oppressed. But consider one thing about him. Under the old USSR system, he and his fellow party members were allowed to create a bank and he had a net worth of over 10 million in 1988.

Becoming a millionaire businessman before the USSR collapsed was done one way only. This was his springboard to be able to gain control of the state oil industry after the collapse.

It’s going to be skewed if people view him as a western businsman. He’s old USSR, mixed with some mob, mixed with some Soros. Putin isnt perfect, but he was right about this guy.


24 posted on 11/27/2012 11:24:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I was thinking the same. From what I can tell firearms are not uncommon in Russia.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 11:26:33 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Olog-hai

Ok, that molotov thing threw me. But please explain what i said that was factually incorrect? yes, he nationalized their oilfilds. In England, the crown owns all oil gas and coal. Is that incorrect?
He has promoted Christianity at every turn when he has the chance. I suppose it could be some Byzantine plot to trick us all. But at some point,, every action seems to back upwhat he says about promoting Orthodoxy. He pushes it into Russian life when it was there before 1917. Is that incorrect?
He has been strictly opposed to homosexuality. Gay parades are banned in moscow for 100 years. In ST Petersburg you can be arrested for promoting homosexuality. Is that incorrect?
He has opposed Soros, and fiat currencies.
The national tax rate is 13% no deductions or filing.Is this incorrect?

Just because it feels wrong, it always isnt. It’s really ok to think. I know it’s great loss that we aren’t arrayed across the Fulda Gap anymore. But to them, it’s mystifying that we are stuck in the 80s when it comes to dealing with them.
Im not sure what left wing policies you are referring to. But as you are also worried that fewer than 10 Cossacks are about to oppress the innocents in Moscow, whew,,,


26 posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cunning_fish

You know, the last few days I been asking myself how the hell did Russia get to be the place I might outa be! Bizarre!


27 posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:45 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: cunning_fish

Ivan the Terrible is back in power so bring back the Cossacks too.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 11:37:23 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: cunning_fish

Indeed. If anyone in that story is a leftist, it’s Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Used party status to become a millionaire, after the collapse, used that status and his ill gotten millions to gain control of state oil.
Then colluded with Soros and the EU.

That’s LEFT.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 11:38:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think you have learnt Yukos case from MSM. It could have been bought by any other company not only Rosneft. The problem is a few private players could risk to bid considering how fast the company was losing value with all it’s troubles.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 11:39:55 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: FreedomPoster

During the BJ regime some FReeper posted an article for a Colt M-16 from a Russian magazine, send money order, delivered by mail. $600. I damn near moved then. Starting to think I shoulda.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 11:41:16 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Olog-hai

And i know you may not realize. but almost every nation on earth owns all the oil and gas rights. The USA is very rare in that private landowners can own the rights.

Pretty much unheard of anywhere else. Thats why even nutty England on global warming, still drills all they can. It goes to their pocketbook. While an American model would be awesome there, it’s pretty hypocritical to hammer him for it, and let most every other nation on earth do it without comment.

Anyway, this thread was about Cossacks kicking drunks and troublemakers out of the rail station. Sounds pretty good to me.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 11:46:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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That doesn’t excuse it. Not when “the crown” in the UK nationalizes either (remember British Leyland? or British Rail?); it’s all leftism and it does not work. How about Amtrak in the USA? Trying to justify any of that kind of stuff in any sense accuses the positions of people like Thatcher and Reagan to be invalid.

A politician promoting Christianity is always suspect, especially over there. The USA never had a state religion; those countries have had state religions for centuries, even millennia when you go back before Christianity. The USA is not the same as they are—the emphasis out of the Founding Fathers was on private morality. Putin is giving the Orthodox church state aid, to boot.

Is it good when Putin’s bombers fly over Alaska as well?


33 posted on 11/27/2012 11:49:36 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: wastoute

Ahhhh,, when i think back to gun deals i’ve missed. And also how i regret every one i ever sold.

Had a friend one time too. Had a gun i liked that he wasn’t using much. I offered to buy it. He acted offended an said, “That’s indecent to think i would part with it for money! What you have to swap?” lol


34 posted on 11/27/2012 11:51:22 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

Ok,,bombers over Alaska?
Slowly stepping away.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 11:53:50 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cunning_fish

Who would Putin have allowed Yukos to be sold to? Certainly not Exxon. Nationalization follows nationalization. Leopards do not change their spots.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 11:53:54 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: DesertRhino
Slowly stepping away from reality, then? Forgot about this? That was only back in June. More recently the following month too.
37 posted on 11/27/2012 11:56:42 PM PST by Olog-hai
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And taking it from a criminal, nay, a treasonous criminal,,when said criminal has evaded massive taxes?
Thats pretty mainstream.

And Btw, you can buy stock in Rosneft and Gazprom. If that helps you feel better.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 12:00:49 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

One can buy stock in a lot of nationalized companies, but you can never get it away from the government. That’s a different kind of leftism, one whose name begins with the sixth letter of the alphabet.

Seizure from a criminal (alleged; he wasn’t tried under US jurisprudence after all) is still no excuse for nationalization. And I don’t excuse nationalization in any country.

When Russia stops aid to Iran (and other Iranian toadies in the Middle East such as Syria), I might start to have a different opinion of them, never mind think of them as serious about Islamic terror anywhere but their own soil. That is direct collaboration with a US enemy.


39 posted on 11/28/2012 12:07:20 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

+Slowly stepping away from reality, then? Forgot about this? That was only back in June. More recently the following month too.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Titles of these articles are misleading. Entering ADIZ is nowhere near a violation of US airspace.
USAF and RuAF are buzzing each other within legal limits for decades.
In july this year USAF F-16 went down the ocean in a Russian Pacific defence zone. They haven’t started any shouting about it, just sent a plane to rescue a pilot.


40 posted on 11/28/2012 12:09:14 AM PST by cunning_fish
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You said flying over Alaska. Penetrating the ADIZ is not our “airspace” in that manner. It is as far as ATC, SAR, etc, and we will send fighters out to see what you are.
But those incidents and interceptions are the norm up there.
These incidents are at least 200 miles from Alaska. On the north end, the ADIZ goes all the way to the 75th latitude line. Look at that if you think we were violated. Look at the immense area north of the Aleutians. ADIZ can get massively far from Alaska there. And again, that area is where we go look at you. Not the same as penetrating our border.

And hystrionics aside, you might spend some time reading about navigation in that part of the world. Lost planes and navigation errors is the norm. It’s better today, but the cold war was filled with terrifying stories of our guys making mistakes that took them into Russia over land.

One U2 pilot heading south realized his mistake when he started hearing Russian language on radio stations he could receive.


41 posted on 11/28/2012 12:20:38 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

+When Russia stops aid to Iran (and other Iranian toadies in the Middle East such as Syria), I might start to have a different opinion of them, never mind think of them as serious about Islamic terror anywhere but their own soil. That is direct collaboration with a US enemy.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I think since about 1991 Russians were always on the right side in international affairs, while US picked a wrong side. Iran (might be) an exception. I still can’t get motives for their backing of Iranian nuke program but for some reason I think their support for Iran is more like a bear’s hug. It may look friendly but someone is about to end up choked. Like if you can’t fight something, take a lead over it and bring it to a bog to sink there.

+Seizure from a criminal (alleged; he wasn’t tried under US jurisprudence after all) is still no excuse for nationalization. And I don’t excuse nationalization in any country.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
AFAIK, Khodorkovski applied to EU court with his case. Despite EU anti-Russian pro-Soros bias they couldn’t find if he was innocent.


42 posted on 11/28/2012 12:22:14 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Olog-hai

(alleged; he wasn’t tried under US jurisprudence after all)

Why would he have been tried here? He was tried where he committed the fraud and tax evasion. Dude is a criminal. And talk about State ownership, thats this guy in spades.
He got to own a bank under Gorbachev. (hint)
He was able to use ownership of that back to seize state oil after the collapse. He’s a admitted Soros partner.

If that sounds Kosher to you, then cool.


43 posted on 11/28/2012 12:24:58 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cunning_fish

Entering ADIZ is nowhere near a violation of US airspace

Exactly.


44 posted on 11/28/2012 12:26:04 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cunning_fish

“Khodorkovski applied to EU court with his case”

Russian federation isn’t in the EU. Was this appeal to the EU Court of Human Rights just kind of a meaningless theater anyway? They have no jurisdiction unless it’s like that Spanish judge that is always claiming jurisdiction in Chile, etc.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 12:30:38 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Khodorkovski applied to EU court with his case”

Russian federation isn’t in the EU. Was this appeal to the EU Court of Human Rights just kind of a meaningless theater anyway? They have no jurisdiction unless it’s like that Spanish judge that is always claiming jurisdiction in Chile, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And yet, this court hasn’t fond if there were any serious violations in his case.


46 posted on 11/28/2012 12:42:38 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: DesertRhino

“Khodorkovski applied to EU court with his case”

Russian federation isn’t in the EU. Was this appeal to the EU Court of Human Rights just kind of a meaningless theater anyway? They have no jurisdiction unless it’s like that Spanish judge that is always claiming jurisdiction in Chile, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And yet, this court hasn’t fond if there were any serious violations in his case.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 12:44:00 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqEB2do1yx0


48 posted on 11/28/2012 4:32:17 AM PST by Mr. Dough (Who was the greater military man, General Tso or Col. Sanders?)
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To: DesertRhino

Admitted or coerced into saying it?

Russia is being led by a KGB man who once said that the fall of the USSR was the twentieth century’s greatest geopolitical catastrophe, and is currently setting up a new version of same called the Eurasian Union. Not a conservative by US standards or any, I think, and in power through elections more stolen than hours. Consider.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 5:18:43 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cunning_fish

Probably just my ignorance here, but I thought that the Cossacks were from Kazakhstan, which used to be part of the USSR. Kazakhstan is full of moslems I believe.


50 posted on 11/28/2012 5:23:22 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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