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Liberal Stealth Groups Paved Obama Win
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/29/liberal-stealth-groups-paved-obama-win/ ^ | 11-29-2012 | Ernest Istook

Posted on 11/29/2012 9:02:05 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather

More than 4 million people who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 did not vote this year. But by applying new voter science, Obama nudged enough replacements in key states — many who were rare or first-time voters — to give him his margin of victory (leveraged even larger by the Electoral College).

Years of stealthy multimillion-dollar efforts paid off forAmerica’s left in the 2008 and 2012 victories by President Barack Obama. Using new voter science to get rare and first-time voters to go to the polls, the races have changedAmerica’s electorate — those who make the country’s decisions by showing up and voting.

Aided by $5 million minimum from George Soros, plus millions more from others, at least two secretive institutions were created to enable this effort by focused research on behavioral science. Their results are made available only to liberals and their causes.

Those are findings from writer Sasha Issenberg. In an interview with me on my “Istook Live!” radio program, Issenberg put a special spotlight on the Analyst Institute (AI), which he has called “a firm quietly founded in 2007 by AFL-CIO officials and liberal allies.”

The AI has been quietly stacked with behavioral scientists, mostly PhDs or PhD candidates from Ivy League schools such as Harvard, Yale,Princeton, andDartmouth(with Notre Dame andUniversityofChicagothrown in for good measure). They coordinate with market researchers for various commercial products. AI materials brag that the Institute supports “a community of 400 data analysts and related professionals in collaborating and sharing their findings through monthly Analyst Group meetings and retreats.”

Issenberg’s book The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns details more history, as do his articles written for Salon.com.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.heritage.org ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: ai; analystinstitute; electionfraud; groups; liberal; soros; stealth; votefraud; voterfraud; win
Interesting read.
1 posted on 11/29/2012 9:02:11 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Except for the fact they committed voter fraud, it was great.

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/obamavoter.htm


2 posted on 11/29/2012 9:08:09 AM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Except for the fact they committed voter fraud, it was great.

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/obamavoter.htm


3 posted on 11/29/2012 9:09:13 AM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Here in mid-coast Maine we saw a HUGE increase in election day registration/voting by first timers.

Once the data is available via the state’s office of elections, we plan to look closely.

Could it be we just got out-played ?


4 posted on 11/29/2012 9:14:25 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I’ve been thinking along these lines as well. There was an article in Atlantic (I saw it linked on Hugh Hewitt’s site) that went into great detail about how the technonerds in the Chicago headquarters did successfully what the disastrous Romney ORCA project was supposed to do.

Yes,there was massive fraud, but that alone is not enough to explain things.

It dovetails with the strange sense I’ve been getting this fall in the classes I teach at the university. Never before have the students been so openly hostile to Christianity, so mind-numbingly ill-informed hoop-jumpers, such non-self-starters. They absolutely refuse to step back, examine an idea, think it through. All they want to know is which hoop to jump through to get an A. Never mind that their A’s are meaningless (I tell them that) or that there will be no jobs even if they do get A’s. They just don’t want to be bothered with learning to be self-starters and to think critically about Stuff. They just want hoops to jump through.

Why is this so much stronger and all of a sudden?

I’m sure there are many reasons, but I’m thinking that since this is the first class, more or less, to enter university never having not known the Internet, that they really are more mind-numbingly hoop-jumpers than the last few years’ classes because they’ve been totally trained, like Pavlov’s dogs, by the internet, Facebook, instant-messaging ephemerality.

It’s a variation on how to do demagoguery and bread and circuses. Obama’s people have glimpsed the import of the Internet for the future and are exploiting it.

The problem is, can a mind-numbing technology be employed by those whose “product” they want to sell is a product that requires real, thoughtful, critical analysis??


5 posted on 11/29/2012 9:22:01 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: maine yankee

It was a combination of voter fraud, being outplayed and a failure of having a ‘pure’ candidate that some conservatives cannot seem to get past of having before they will cast a vote.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 9:22:01 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Nachum

If we hadn’t run a rich,65 year old, big government, country club, liberal Republican, we might have won in spite of the fraud.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 9:24:57 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Nachum

Having voting screens change a Romeny vote to a Zero vote was also helpful. Bus loads of Chicago Bears fans shipped to Sheboygan WI was great for Der Fuhrer too. We got frauded to death. The turnouts at the rallies don’t lie. Hitler got weak turnout in Madistan,WI even with Springsteen there. Romney got huge crowds everywhere, as did our own Paul Ryan. We got frauded plain and simple. Now that they have the program to shift enough electronic votes for them to win (they did screw up a few by making him win too big), there will never be another election with only plain old fashioned dem fraud, the dead voting, busloads of frauds across state lines. The manipulation of vote machines is their ticket to winning from here on out. Only one thing stops tyranny in it’s tracks. I don’t have to say what that is.


8 posted on 11/29/2012 9:27:48 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ( 1440 days until Nov.8,2016)
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To: Jonty30
It was a combination of voter fraud, being outplayed...

What I wrote yesterday:

If Obama had used Nate Silver’s voting algorithms, he could have used very little in fraud effort. (Nate Silver of the NYTs).

9 posted on 11/29/2012 9:31:59 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: Does so

Definitely the fraud would have been very surgical. You cannot be successful in having fraud in every single voting district.


10 posted on 11/29/2012 9:35:23 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather; Nachum

There is no doubt in my mind that there were multiple factors causing an otherwise incomprehensible win for Obama, but take away the fraud, and I do believe the remaining factors would not have carried him to victory.

Fraud, blatant fraud I believe was the major “winning” factor, and apparently little to NOTHING is being done to address the issue by any of our alleged representation.

We received sufficient warning about the voting machines prior to the 2008 election, and much more has been written about those machines, their ownership, their source of programming since, and during this recent election the machines performed as was determined they would in the forewarnings we received.

Illegals voting was noted during the polling, as well poll watchers of one party evicted from their posts as blatant cheating was performed by the other.

The list goes on yet not a damned thing seems to be in the works to address these serious violations.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 9:39:06 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The election-deniers will insist that all is well, we had a great candidate, and it was all fraud that got Obama elected.

But the truth is that the democrats have approached elections like marketing a product. They found a way to sell things to the mass of people who never vote, and if you can drag 2 million new people to vote, you can win close elections.

They lost existing customers, but were able to market their shiny baubles to new customers who didn’t know any better.

Meanwhile, conservatives and the GOP treated the election like it was an actual election, and the electorate like they were intelligent, involved people who wanted what was best for the country and would understand that Obama wasn’t it.

We lost the election in large part because too many of the voters were nothing like this; they didn’t care about foreign policy, about congress, about running the country. They were people who don’t vote. But these ivy-league marketing pros were able to find different little messages that excited these people to products.

And why not, look at how we can get people to throw away perfectly good phones for the latest craze? And so all those things that we thought were stupid, and childish, like Obamaphone, and free birth control, homosexual marriage, and ObamaSex were all targetted messages, possibly turning off a few independents, but winning a large mass of new voters with each message.

Tell all the little groups what they want to hear, and cobble together a winning coalition.

Heck, you only had to do it twice. Once in 2008, and then after you lost 4 million people who saw you were all talk, get 2 million new replacement suckers.

I saw this first-hand at my daughter’s college. Every time I visited, she was asked to register. They ran events, made it cool to be a voter. They gave support and encouragement, all aimed at doing the “cool thing”, vote for the black guy who supported tolerance and free love, and who wanted people to pay their “fair share”.

While we laughed at OWS, the democrats used it to pull in another million new voters. Sure, they lost 500,000 because of it, but that’s a win.

We need to stop thinking “if you build it, they will come”, and get into the “sell our message and drag people to the polls”.

We can win with conservatism, but we have to make it relevant to the people who don’t vote, so we can turn out the masses. We win in off-year elections and local elections where only the more interested take part, but we need a non-voter strategy if we want to win presidential contests.

Or, we can all stick our heads in the sand, cover our ears, and chant “election fraud”, as if that will make it all better.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 9:40:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Houghton M.

They have found a way to leverage technology (social networking primarily) to get out the Stupid Vote.

They can directly target messages to these people convincing them that their personal pet favorite dumb issue will be Obama’s #1 priority.

The GOP has nothing like it. Indeed the same pro-Obama software people who worked on the Dem system probably also worked on ORCA and sabotaged it.

There is a DIRE DIRE NEED for some Conservative Techies out there.


13 posted on 11/29/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: maine yankee

You are asking the right question, the question Republicans don’t want to ask.

You have to figure in fraud, but honestly that may not have the weight it is credited for turning out the vote.

The fact is these Marxists are academics and are comfortable using academic tools. They have certainly won over public education (see tag line) so all the same machinery is there, including the behavioral sciences, to pickbup and apply to shape and nudge enough blocks of voters among the electorate.

Republicans, on the other hand assume the sale before they ever trouble themselves with making the case. We assume voters will vote on principle and affection for the Constitution, and that we just have to tinker around the edges to get out the vote.

Where in America is the founding principles, American history and the Constitution taught? There things have been sucked out by a vacume cleaner for decades and naturally, it’s left a vaccum the Marxists were only too happy to fill, with Marxism.

One day we will discover that the schools was who destroyed Christianity and the churches, in the US.


14 posted on 11/29/2012 9:44:58 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Jonty30

“...a failure of having a ‘pure’ candidate that some conservatives cannot seem to get past of having before they will cast a vote.”

NO! It was the decision of the GOP Establishment to foist upon conservatives (yet again) a presidential candidate who can “win moderate voters”.

Time and time the GOP Establishment has sandbagged genuine conservatives (see Palin, Angle, O’Donnell, West, and Akin). GOP establishment types, lobbyists, and professional pols would rather have President Obama in the White House than a genuine conservative who would shake things up.

It is way past time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs. It is time for a new party to rise up from the ashes.


15 posted on 11/29/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by Perkalong
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To: TheConservativeParty

The turnouts at rallies DO lie, when you need 62 million votes, and you are getting 20,000 to a rally.

John Kerry had huge crowds at some of his final rallies.

I don’t know why conservatives are ignoring actual voting results and substituting their models, anecdotes, and “adjusted” polling data.

It’s funny because in the global warming discussions, we note how the environmentalists keep ignoring and massaging the data because it doesn’t match their models.

Every report of a machine selecting Obama when they touched Romney (not “changing the vote” as it is popularly called), includes that the people who report it also got their Romney vote to work. You’d think nobody ever had a problem with mis-aligned touch screens before.

Nobody trusts the system anymore. Between conservative talk shows, and MSNBC, both sides are completely and totally convinced that the other side is cheating their way to victory, and that the other side’s candidates are all liars and cheats.

Of course, this is all because government is too valuable a prize, because we gave it too much power.

If government didn’t have the ability to ruin our lives, it wouldn’t be worth the time and effort to fight so hard over elections; also, we might get actual intelligent people to run for office, and they might actually accomplish some good together when they arrived.


16 posted on 11/29/2012 9:48:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Houghton M.

I really like your post. While you were posting it, I was typing @#14.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 9:49:40 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Perkalong

No, it’s your refusal to be flexible that makes it hard for the GOP to win.

The liberals are winning, by incrementally instituting their philosophy and beliefs across the country. The Dems don’t run ‘pure’ candidates. They run whatever they can, becasue they know they don’t need a pure candidate to move the country in incremental amounts. Peeling off flecks of paint, as it were.

Romney, objectively speaking, was a good candidate. Whenever he was caught speaking in secret, those secret conversations were conservatively based. If he had won, he would have done the country a lot of good, not to mention that his failure to win is going to allow Obama to put upwards of 4 Supreme Court justices on the bench.


18 posted on 11/29/2012 9:55:01 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Remember when anyone who DARED to mention the Soros-funded Shadow Party organization the Socialists were building, was immediately branded a right-wing fruitcake nutjob???


19 posted on 11/29/2012 9:56:22 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“If we hadn’t run a rich,65 year old, big government, country club, liberal Republican, we might have won in spite of the fraud.”

So, who else was running, THAT HAD A CHANCE AT WINNING???


20 posted on 11/29/2012 9:58:38 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
To quote Colonel Potter, "Mule cookies."

There is neither intellectual nor political reason that Obama won. There was simply voter fraud coordinated by the DNC, the White House or both. There is evil in the land.
21 posted on 11/29/2012 9:59:19 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Nachum

“Except for the fact they committed voter fraud,...”

There is voter fraud and there is election fraud. The first is perpetrated by individuals whose votes counted when they were not eligible to vote and the second is perpetrated by the concerted efforts of groups of individuals belonging to organizations whose agendas include the enabling voter fraud.

Members of such organizations may indeed be eligible to vote but it’s their concerted efforts to enable voter fraud to be perpetrated by ineligible individuals.

All of the above were major factors, if not THE deciding factor in the outcome of Election 2012.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 9:59:19 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

They got him. Let them enjoy him.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 10:02:20 AM PST by sport
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Turnout of conservatives is the key. The left can’t cheat enough to overturn a mandate like Reagan got. They can’t win if it’s not close. This may be moot, considering there is a good chance we will never find another candidate with Reagan’s chops.


24 posted on 11/29/2012 10:10:07 AM PST by redhead (Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number $16,000,000,000,000)
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To: Houghton M.

I see the same thing at the university I teach at. I teach advanced system administration and network engineering.

One thing I stress is how important it is to make all your purchases and efforts focused on achieving business goals. That right off the bat puzzles them. What are business goals?

I stress that anything that generates a profit for that business, and how important that is. The just don’t see it. I actually have GRADUATE students who thought a business could perform underwater for a time. He was certain a company (his words) he worked for had loses and didn’t go under, so that is just ok. Here this guy (a middle aged man) is arguing this with me in class!

I asked him how that business managed to pay the bills. He said he didn’t know. Finally I asked him what the businesses name was. His words:

“Ah, the State of Alabama.” Me: “What?! That’s not a business!” “But people work for them,” he replied. Me: So what’s their product, and where’s their sales?”

Confused, deer in headlight stare.....


25 posted on 11/29/2012 10:13:38 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: CharlesWayneCT

All you said is very wise and I have been seeing variations of it here and there but you said it all here.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 10:26:16 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Alas Babylon!

The other new development that has shaken me is the effect of anonymous posting on the internet on academic freedom.

Those of us who managed, by a hair’s breadth, to get tenure, were protected by it. But (Be)Rate My Professor is having an effect.

I am responsible for course scheduling and that means guessing at how many sections to offer to avoid too many (having to cancel some) or too few. So I monitor the registration process. For the first time, this fall I have noticed that the two or three professors whose classes are the last to fill up are the ones who are more traditional, including myself. It also has to do with personality—we tend to be more reserved, less mothering and more fathering (expecting students to think and be self-starters).

Students are now taking (Be)Rate My Professor seriously, as gospel truth. I had one student this fall, after I mentioned to her that I thought some students were actually believing what’s posted there as anonymous gossip, agree with me that students took it seriously and then ask me, “Is it true that you are a biased grader”? She in effect (naively) admitted not only that she read it but that she based her decision on what classes to take on those ratings.

She was in my class against her will, came into it thinking her professor was an unjust tyrant who graded with bias.

Eventually, as my classes fill more and more poorly the administration will bring this up as a failing on my part. I have not doubt that they will give credence to anonymous gossip. The student is the consumer, we are expected to keep the students happy. If not, we are not team players.

With that mindset among students and administrators, most faculty will cave and do what it takes to keep the students happy and posting rave reviews on gossip sites.

So the problem will get worser and worser. I’m 7 years away from retirement and I’ll be able to coast through it, though it may cost me financially in terms of “merit’ raises (which are at best cost of living raises).

But the younger faculty are defenseless against this. Take a bunch of mind-numbed students who really, truly think Obama is another great FDR-like savior—never mind that I tell them to read Schlaes and that FDR actually made things worse—they just won’t/can’t hear what I say), take students like that and throw a teacher who dares to think differently into the classroom and the messenger becomes the villain. How dare he offer a different viewpoint.

Admittedly there are precious few younger faculty who aren’t themselves mind-numbed. But those few are going to have a hard time surviving.

Yeah, y’all can write off the academy as crap anyway. THat’s a typical FR mind-numbed response.

But now that “everyone” is going to college, this is one of the places where the mindnumbing is going on. Ignore it at your peril.

The internet has changed the equation. What used to be reserved for student-to-student scuttlebut (Professor X is a jerk, be sure you take Professor Y’s class, it’s the best) is now public for the whole world to read. It would not be a problem if the pool of those doing the rating was well distributed across the spectrum, but it’s mindnumbingly liberal.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 10:33:41 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

The student was in my class against her will because she had to take general education requirements and no other sections were available by the time she registered.


28 posted on 11/29/2012 10:36:06 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Alas Babylon!

Man, that is scary.


29 posted on 11/29/2012 10:36:37 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: TheConservativeParty
why aren't these vans and buses full of Chicago voters hauled to Wisconsin being FILMED and FOLLOWED?

the pubs may think they can get away with laying down about this stuff, but they better think twice....we want a party fully engaged...

30 posted on 11/29/2012 10:41:38 AM PST by cherry
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To: Perkalong

remember...all you Romney haters and pro bammey freepers really don’t have a right to comment anymore....you were part of the PROBLEM not the solution so your belly aching is a little absurb now, after you got what you wanted.....


31 posted on 11/29/2012 10:44:53 AM PST by cherry
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To: sheikdetailfeather

This is what I suspected. Covert operations in mind control, more or less. Is this how they convinced people the bad economy is still Bush’s fault? I think that was key.


32 posted on 11/29/2012 10:54:13 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Jonty30

Mitt Romney’s loss had nothing to do with conservatives, regardless of your personal desire to keep promoting that false message in hopes of concealing the absurdity of having a radical Reagan hating, romneycare, gay marriage, pro-abortion Massachusetts Governor with a single, shortlived election victory in his life, running against a democrat, and thinking that is the answer to anything.

As this thread shows, he just couldn’t win people over.


33 posted on 11/29/2012 10:59:09 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
So why couldn’t the GOP get off its fat ass and do something similar? What, were they just along for the ride, thinking if they gave us a candidate we would come?
34 posted on 11/29/2012 11:03:18 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: cherry

Sorry lefties, you got your dream liberal, the most hard left candidate in GOP history, running against Jimmy Carter’s second term and losing.

Your Rockefeller wing of the GOP is disgraced and exposed, you were absolutely wrong in trying to make the GOP another democrat party.

You have no voice, you lie naked and exposed, in humiliation and shame (well shame, if rinos/liberals were capable of such a thing).


35 posted on 11/29/2012 11:05:34 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: cherry

I can’t believe in our state, with Scott Walker as Gov., that this stuff that went on in Sheboygan (Repub poll watchers did call for help, and when it showed up the dem machine stopped more van loads of Bears fans from coming).... this has NOT been in the news even here in WI! The Gov says nothing about it.

There were poll WORKERS in Delavan, WI telling voters to “go ahead and vote again, no one will say anything.”
This was reported on conservative radio at 3pm election day. Authorities ( dems of course) are notified and nothing is done.

In Milwaukee, it was reported on radio that gov’t owned vans were picking up black voters and taking them to the polls, a federal violation of law to use gov’t property to promote voting (and they knew they were 100 percent dem votes). Again no consequences. It happened. Too bad. Sucks to not be a dem.(sarcasm)

Reince Priebus was interviewed on Milwaukee radio Wednesday. Not a word about vote fraud. Just hand wringing about what “we” need to do to get more votes.

It’s fraud that won Hitler this election. Just like his foreign father who makes him ineligible to hold office, no one will do one damn thing to stop it.


36 posted on 11/29/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by TheConservativeParty ( 1440 days until Nov.8,2016)
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To: tcrlaf

Romney has squatted on top of the GOP primaries for 7 years, spending record amounts, and when needed, injecting up to 50 million dollars of his personal money he only lost to the unfunded Huckabee and McCain because he turns out to be the terrible candidate that he is, at least for his adopted party, which he switched to in October 1993.

Hopefully his negative influence and dominance is over and other major players will be willing to enter.


37 posted on 11/29/2012 11:12:58 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Houghton M.

Interesting observations.
Mass hypnosis? As in successful Madison Ave. branding?
We know that the issue is never about the issue, it’s all about power and control. Once the emotional trigger is set on the subject, is is possible ever discuss reality with these lemmings?
For example, in Ohio, Brown set out an emotional campaign to make Josh Mandel unelectable. They used the word ‘trust’, as in can’t be trusted, so that whenever any issue was brought up, it was dismissed with emotional rants. Mandel’s campaign tried to turn the tables and call out the dishonesty, but used the trigger word, ‘Liar’, (which of course is associated with George W Bush) and it was deemed very harsh and nasty.
Any opposition to a leftist agenda can quickly be thwarted by calling down their minions.


38 posted on 11/29/2012 11:15:25 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: maine yankee

We and Amertica got played.
The dems have weaselled the systems for years to enable easy voter fraud and easier illegal foreign money feeding dem campaigns. Liberal education establishment have trained a majority to think liberal socialism is OK, the government knows best. A liberal media have enabled shady and false advertising and politics to make it impossible for a majority of the voters to know any truth about a non-liberal candidate.

To get honesty and integrity back into American politics, will requie insuring media bias, voter fraud and foreign contributions are not allowed. Anyone care to bet that will happen without the Country splitting up or R2?


39 posted on 11/29/2012 11:20:32 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: Jonty30
Romney, objectively speaking, was a good candidate.

Romney was the worst of all worlds, people need to restudy 2008 when some who aren't very insightful would look at Mitt and say that he was a great candidate, he looked right, and had all of the money, etc, but in the end, he couldn't beat a couple of pikers who had nothing going for them and no money or powerful support, all they had was that they were not Mitt Romney, they could look at 2006 when Romney was forced out of office with 34% approval and rejected for reelection. That failed term and the resulting rejection, was the HIGH POINT of his 20 year political career.

Romney was running against himself, Mitt wasn't just running against his slightly off center personality and personal history. As a republican, he was running against his own life-long political agenda before he switched at age 59, purely for this presidential run.
Mitt just was not convincing, and he left millions of votes on the table. Mitt was the Massachusetts liberal who mesmerized the GOPe elites.

40 posted on 11/29/2012 11:29:17 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

Sing it loud!
(and I come here because of the Reality Check??)


41 posted on 11/29/2012 12:04:06 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

We keep being lazy. We want an easy way to win elections, “This new software will allow us to know who hasn’t voted!” The
Democrats bought smart with their money. We bought Prebus. Who won?


42 posted on 11/29/2012 12:21:42 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

We can beat this behavioral science brain trust. I already see one weakness.


43 posted on 11/29/2012 12:24:18 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cherry

Why would you think that politicians who give their lives, their time, their energy, and their money to get elected would “lay down” in the face of provable obvious voter fraud?

Isn’t it a much more likely hypothesis that the stories are exagerated?

Yes, vans and buses full of voters that were driven to Wisconsin, you would track them.

And btw, Obama won Wisconsin by 200,000 votes. If you did that by busing people from Chicago, it would take 7,000 round-trip bus trips of 30 people per bus.

So, how do all these people “know” that there were busloads of chicago people? We have anecdotes, mostly from people who say they saw it, but don’t own camera phones apparently.


44 posted on 11/29/2012 2:39:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cherry

BTW, it’s not like nobody had made this charge before. Chris Plante was screaming about this same possibility back on June 4th, when they were having the special election.

So, if we “knew” there were busloads coming in June, why wouldn’t you prepare to track it. Can you believe the political coup it would be to actually have a film of a bus picking up people in Illinois, driving to Wisconsin, doing same-day registration, and voting, under the watchful eye of democratic officials?

It would be the easiest way to get Wisconsin voters to push for serious election reform.

And given that, why do we think nobody actually DID this? Again, you can either believe that the entire political class of conservatives in Wisconsin is too ignorant to think of this, or you could believe that the anecdotes are overblown and there wasn’t a stream of buses coming in over the border.

I wish we had evidence of massive fraud. THere is fraud, and it is widespread, and we need serious laws to stop it, but we need to prove it is happening to get people excited enough to take action.


45 posted on 11/29/2012 2:43:42 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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