Skip to comments.Obama Will Gladly Cut Spending Later, FOr A Tax Hike Today!
Posted on 11/30/2012 6:18:32 AM PST by NOBO2012
I see the fiscal cliff has given us an opportunity to return to Big Guys WINNING! negotiation strategy that I call the How about you give me your new car for my old shoes? scuffle. For some reason its been working for him for a long time.
Portrait of a young man with an old sole and a big plan
Maybe its because those old shoes always come in handy for kicking the can down the road.
Assuming there is a road at the end I mean.
Danger: road may end at the cliffs edge
(Snip)Charles Krauthammer explains how Big Guys 2% solution of higher taxes, more stimulus spending and no entitlement cuts might work:
(snip)Republicans must stop acting like supplicants. If Obama so loves those Clinton rates, Republicans should say: Then go over the cliff and have them all.
And add: But if you want a grand bargain, then deal. If we give way on taxes, we want, in return, serious discretionary cuts, clearly spelled-out entitlement cuts and real tax reform.
Otherwise, strap on your parachute, Mr. President. Well ride down together.
So, from where I sit it looks safe to say were still firmly entrenched in Wonderland; hijinks ensue.
If you drink much from a bottle marked 'poison' it is certain to disagree with you sooner or later.
I think the operative term here is later.
I guess well just have to wait
(Excerpt) Read more at michellesmirror.com ...
Wimpy. Yeah, that’s him.
Anything is of course an excuse to tax and spend. If the greater public doesn’t learn anything in the next 4 years, I expect it never will.
Lucy. Football. Charlie Brown.
We knew last year when Bonehead came up with this ridicules idea we would lose. His idea is the equal of loading a revolver with 6 rounds and being first in russian roulette.
The only way to salvage this now is to do one thing...walk away and as you leave say when you have a responsible offer, let me know but all future negotiations will be on TV 24/7.
Isn’t that how they insult people in the middle east - they show you the bottoms of their feet?
Never ending “Rope a dope.”
Trade your horse for a promise and you end up with tired legs.
According to Fox News this AM. Tip O’neil pulled this on Reagan once and Reagan always resented trusting him. Of course the Dhimmicrat was lying. Because that’s what they do.
I say let it all happen and walk away. Take the across the board cuts. They will never be negotiated anyway.
Then if people want to re-prioritize, like taking from Big Bird to give to the Military, then they can have that debate and amend the budget later. But while they fiddle, the cuts occur,
In the mean time, does anyone know what the “Budget” is for the Presidential vacation fund? Are there no limits? He is now going to Hawaii on my dime(s).
Can’t GOP members of the House and Senate take a cue from Obama and just vote present on his tax increases? The GOP will be pilloried by the media and White House for supporting tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires if they oppose these tax hikes. So just give Obama what he wants and watch what happens. We know that his tax now and maybe cut latter plan will fail, cause unemployment to go up, increase the deficit and further extend the recession. Why be a party to that? The GOP will be blamed regardless as their obstructionism cause things to get too bad before Obama’s fix etc. However, if they do nothing just let Obama get what he wants the Democrats will be forced to take the consequences.
Yep...walk away. We will get blamed anyway for anything bad that ever happens, so call their bluff and leave the table. I could not agree more.
A tax increase goes into the US Code where it stays. A budget cut goes into the annual budget where it expires. promises of cuts in any future budget beyond the next year’s is a fantasy.
But this trick gets played over and over and the pubbies go along.
If this concept of budget cuts “later” worked, then a sitting Congress and president would be bound by a deal cut by the previous gang, and that has never happened to my knowledge.
“Cant GOP members of the House and Senate take a cue from Obama and just vote present on his tax increases? “
I think you can vote “present” in the Illinois state legislature, but can only vote yes or no or be counted not present at the Federal level. Anybody know for sure?
Is anyone aware of any such summary, and if not would it be worthwhile to generate one? This could serve as a "credit report" of the Democrats' willingness to deal fairly. I believe that such an accounting will show, for the Democrats, that "tomorrow never comes". How many times? Every time that I can remember...but I could be wrong.
But why insist on "tax now, cut later"? Easy. Absent strong fact to the contrary, people tend to project their own actions and tendencies on others. Put baldly: if Democrats were to agree to tax increases 'later' instead of now, they believe the Republicans will do the same thing to the Democrats that Democrats have been doing right along to the Republicans: "tomorrow never comes".
I strongly support the idea that any deal that includes new/increased taxes NOW also include tax reforms and spending cuts NOW as well.
Also, such an accounting would also be the starting point for Democrats to make good on their end of prior deals. Or did the Democrats bundle all the broken promises into credit default swaps and sell them?
Bonehead should get out in front of this with a “cut now, tax later” plan. There is TONS of waste (try the white house travel budget first) out there that can be cut that NO ONE but those let go would ever notice.
But the SOB has already given control of the argument to Obama so it’ll be hard to get it back.
Obama has been running annual deficits of $1002 Billion each of the past four years. His plan to get us out of that fiscal hole? Raise $160 Billion in new taxes and spend an additional $50 Billion. Leaving us with $892 Billion of new debt is not a plan, its incompetency!
yes... walk away.. I believe, on a certain level, in compromise...
no compromise here... walk... let it burn. rebuild the country after dems have had complete control for 10 or 20 or even another 50 years..
we don’t have a choice anyway. we have no cards here. it’s fold or cave and if we cave we still get blamed...
and they’ll get complete control... the MSM will blame this all on the right.
It's not incompetency. It is being done on purpose to destroy our financial system and ultimately our form of government.
additionally, I would think this prez, will just issue a tax cut to the middle class, by Presidential decree, for each year he remains office.
rules and law don’t mean a damn thing to these people. when is the last time the Senate produced a budget, which by law is what they are supposed to do ?
we are going to see him usurp power, in increasing amounts.. he’ll completely bypass congress and just issue orders. watch....
the press will go along with it, because after all, like Lincoln in the Speilberg movie, it’s for the common good.. the ends justify the means, when a king has good motives.
One option may be to schedule more frequent votes on raising the debt limit, say every 3 to 6 months.
If the magic, agreed to spending cuts have not occured in each period, then no debt limit increase.
It’s about the only leverage the GOP house has...
And (a) This also extends throughout the Muslim sphere (b) Barry was exposed to the Muslim sphere in his adopted years therefore he knows it.
I believe Obama will honor his word to make serious and thoughtful cuts the second Tuesday of next week.
See my earlier post. Taxes go into the US Code and “spending cuts” into the ephemeral annual budget, no mechanism to make them happen in a later budget.
I think that your documentation project is worthy, looking at the budget bill for a given year might work if you also slogged through the Congressional Record of debates on the budget. http://thomas.loc.gov will find you the bills and a link to CongRec. To the US Code as well, I think.
(From another Freeper)
A good summary, but there is a lot left out...I won’t bother to write it, since you already know it.
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