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Conservative Grassroots Activists Launch pro-Rubio Site
AmericaNeedsRubio.com ^ | 11-30-2012 | AmericaNeedsRubio.com

Posted on 11/30/2012 11:59:09 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom

A group of Conservative grassroots activists have launched a new pro-Marco Rubio website dedicated to electing him president of the United States in 2016, 4 years before the elections take place.

The Mission Statement states: The Republican Party needs a strong conservative leader to take our message to the American people of smaller government, a strong foreign policy, low taxes and a balanced budget. Our message is the right one, but it is being lost in the mist of a biased media and uninformed electorate. We do NOT have to moderate, we need to modernize and market. Market our ideas and our values without the filters that for decades our message has been put thru by those in the press.

Our goal, for the next 4 years, it to elect Marco Rubio president of the United States in 2016. A modern, conservative, well-spoken leader that can take our message to the masses, expand our base and reach voters in every demographic. The Republican Party needs a leader, Conservatism needs a messenger, and America needs Marco Rubio in 2016.



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1 posted on 11/30/2012 11:59:15 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

First, we need to fight to ensure there IS an election in 2016.


2 posted on 12/01/2012 12:05:46 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

Sarah Palin ping.

:D


3 posted on 12/01/2012 12:09:25 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

4 posted on 12/01/2012 12:11:15 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

Marco Rubio, born in the U.S.A. of Cuban Citizen parents, is not eligible to be President. Period.

Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute (derived citizenship from parents). All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.
The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Natural born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship. Natural born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of two citizen parents (jus sanguinas).

The definition of natural born Citizen appears in the holding of SCOTUS’s unanimous decision of Minor v. Happersett (1874).

Virginia Minor, a Suffragette, sued to be included as a candidate for U.S. President based on her eligibility under the 14th Amendment to the U.S.Constitution.

SCOTUS rejected her argument and examined her eligibility, concluding that she belonged to the class of citizens who, being born in the U.S. of citizen parents, was a natural born Citizen, and not covered by the 14th Amendment. This holding has been used in 25 consequent SCOTUS decisions since 1875.

No one has the RIGHT to be President.

The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.

The following is often used to support people like Rubio who seek to be President, but it was superceded centuries ago and is a false argument.

“The First U.S. Congress included in the 1790 Immigration & Naturalization Act language to alert the State Department to the fact that Americans born abroad are (“natural born” citizens” and are not to be viewed as foreigners due to foreign birth. They were not granted citizenship via that US statute rather their automatic citizenship was stated as a fact that must be recognized by immigration authorities. They were not citizens by any other means than natural law, and statutory law was written to insure that their natural citizenship was recognized.”

This is not a reasonable explanation. It fails to recognize that Congress only has powers over naturalization. Congress has no power to define “natural born Citizen”, which has nothing to do with naturalization. Furthermore, if Congress wants to tell the State Department something, they don’t have to enact legislation to do it.

But more important is that all of the following naturalization acts, 1795, 1802, etc., were also passed to naturalize the children of U.S. citizens born abroad. And the words “natural born” were repealed in the 1795 Naturalization Act and never returned again.


5 posted on 12/01/2012 12:12:24 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

That is one logical argument.

But 99% of America, especially the courts and media, think that natural born citizen means being born in the United States. Possibly even hatched or cloned will do. Period.

We definitely need a constitutional convention and a clear definition.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 12:15:57 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
If Roe v. Wade was able to create an entire business sector of abortion on demand in violation of the Declaration of Independence statement “...right to life,...”, I assure you the legal profession is well aware of Minor v. Happersett (1874). They know it and detest it thoroughly as a barrier to Global government.

There is a very good reason why legal experts like Professor Tribe haven't attempted to change the natural born Citizen eligibility requirement through constitutional means. To change it would necessitate widely disseminating the current definition, and result in the attempted change going down in flames.

That is why so many attempts have been made to circumvent, to get around, the constitutional requirements for a change to the U.S.Constitution. It requires time and money to change through the legal recognized manner: votes in Congress and then approval by a majority of states. Communists have resorted to other means.

Barak Hussein Obama II has always claimed he is a native born citizen, never a natural born citizen. He is quite aware that he is not eligible to be President.

We conservatives must uphold the rule of law and the U.S.Constitution. It is easy to be seduced into shredding that document into toilet paper. We shouldn't become the thing we detest in order to defeat communism.

7 posted on 12/01/2012 12:33:03 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll; Yaelle
We conservatives must uphold the rule of law and the U.S.Constitution. It is easy to be seduced into shredding that document into toilet paper. We shouldn't become the thing we detest in order to defeat communism.

Amen to that.

8 posted on 12/01/2012 12:35:04 AM PST by thecodont
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To: SatinDoll
"The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States."

For example, the person currently occupying our White House.

9 posted on 12/01/2012 12:36:53 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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Would like to see the likes of Rand Paul, Rubio, and Cruz as the 2016 candidates.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 12:43:14 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

11 posted on 12/01/2012 12:47:54 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

NO!

Not ever!

I luv Marco but, he is not NBC and I will be satisfied with Hillary as POTUSIS before I will capitulate to a globalist agenda that ignores, once again, and undermines the Constitution.

Same for you Jindal.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 12:53:00 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like that...

BTW, My arm seems to kicking my Azz a lot less these days.

Give me another month or so and start looking for life altering changes.

Thnx for for patience.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 12:54:55 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SatinDoll

Grow up...../S/S/S/S/S/S/S/S


14 posted on 12/01/2012 12:56:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

Marco Rubio is not on my Conservative list, Rand Paul would be along with my favorite (read the tag).


15 posted on 12/01/2012 1:19:48 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Vendome

What a fool you are. Do you seriously think Billary is one iota different than the current marxist in the WH? If so, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

Some of you on here are rather low information, aren’t you?


16 posted on 12/01/2012 2:53:50 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
First, we need to fight to ensure there IS an election in 2016.

Exactly right. That's the first concern.

17 posted on 12/01/2012 3:02:05 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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To: Vendome

I agree re: the natural born issue—and Rubio’s clear intention to ignore it.

But he is massively pro-amnesty, and if he gets his way on that issue conservatism in the US will be over and done with.


18 posted on 12/01/2012 3:06:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

America needs a new party


19 posted on 12/01/2012 3:09:17 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: SatinDoll

SatinDoll,

We have a bunch of brain-dead people here on FR.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 3:11:48 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Nextrush

Sarah/Rand would be a great ticket IMO.


21 posted on 12/01/2012 3:14:21 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
But he is massively pro-amnesty

That alone is enough to send me looking elsewhere.
22 posted on 12/01/2012 3:17:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

Because Rubio’s were not citizens at the time he was born here, he is NOT “natural born”. I could not vote for him.


23 posted on 12/01/2012 4:16:14 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: cripplecreek

Me too!


24 posted on 12/01/2012 4:18:32 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: theBuckwheat
Because Rubio’s were not citizens at the time he was born here, he is NOT “natural born”. I could not vote for him.

Exactly!

So, why the big push for Rubio?

25 posted on 12/01/2012 4:35:59 AM PST by SMM48
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To: 9YearLurker

How about candidates like Bill Whittle, Greg Gutfeld, Dennis Miller, etc.? Voters don’t take staid candidates seriously any more. They’ve been dumbed-down so long that celebrity and glamor actually help form their opinions (sadly). We need candidates who can win and would govern well. Sure, some are more libertarian leaning when it comes to social issues, but that’s preferable to the current socialist bent. If we can revert to basic Constitutional adherence and minimal government intrusion, then all else (social ethics) will fall into place.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 4:47:16 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: SMM48

Cause he is pretty!


27 posted on 12/01/2012 5:10:53 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: SMM48

“So, why the big push for Rubio? “

He is a great person. I like him a lot. He has a lot to contribute. He drives the left nuts. He just can’t be President.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 5:11:16 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: MayflowerMadam

I don’t think entertainers and those without governing or executive experience is the way to go.

I do think the actual focus of the tea party—which is pretty much limited to small government Constitutionalism and therefore inherently libertarian-leaning—is the best philosophy for hoisting a new, bigger but more meaningful tent.

The message that those guys offer does resonate with a larger proportion of Americans, and if it were the emphasis of a new party or of a newly taken-over GOP, there’s great potential.

But traditional ideas are radical enough, I don’t think we need or could well support ‘stunt candidates’.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 5:12:09 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom; All

No Rubio...

He is Amnesty-Liberal....very Pro-Illegal Alien Amnesty

And he is not Natural Born.

All those Liberals and PhonyCons who laugh and biatch about “Birthers” bringing up Obama’s lack of Constitutional Eligibility....will not hesistate to go after Rubio for his not being Natural Born. You can bet on that

Oh, and we have not even touched his Senate voting record...Rubio voes with the Dems as much as the Maine GOP Senators do

We need REAL CONSERVATIVES for candidates...stop wasting Conservative voters time and money on candidates who are not Conservative nor Eligibile


30 posted on 12/01/2012 5:21:19 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

So I see you run a marketing company in LA—of the type that Obama’s campaign contacted about potential work—and this ‘grassroots’ site, as you so identify it, makes the same case for better GOP marketing that you often make here.

Why should we not think Rubio or his team are simply your newest clients?


31 posted on 12/01/2012 5:36:51 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom

Well they aren’t conservatives if they are pushing an amnesty loving Rubio empty suit.


32 posted on 12/01/2012 6:23:59 AM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Any one of the three, Bill Whittle, Greg Gutfeld, Dennis Miller, would do well as President. At the very least better than the last three or four.
33 posted on 12/01/2012 6:53:53 AM PST by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fortunately for Rubio, nobody’s buying this birther crap.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 7:10:08 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
So the fact that neither of his parents was a US citizen when he was born is “crap” now? What is your definition of natural born citizen, then?
35 posted on 12/01/2012 7:17:05 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So the fact that neither of his parents was a US citizen when he was born is “crap” now? What is your definition of natural born citizen, then?

Born in America. Same as the courts' definition. Again, nobody is buying this made-up birther nonsense.

36 posted on 12/01/2012 7:26:19 AM PST by Drew68
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To: SatinDoll

You are correct - so long as fact, law, history, and common sense are all set aside.


37 posted on 12/01/2012 7:29:30 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Well...it is too early anyway at this point - we need to fight to make it even matters.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 7:31:35 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: SatinDoll
Virginia Minor, a Suffragette, sued to be included as a candidate for U.S. President based on her eligibility under the 14th Amendment to the U.S.Constitution. SCOTUS rejected her argument and examined her eligibility, concluding that she belonged to the class of citizens who, being born in the U.S. of citizen parents, was a natural born Citizen, and not covered by the 14th Amendment. This holding has been used in 25 consequent SCOTUS decisions since 1875.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, this is not accurate and is easily proven to be false. The Court made no such holding in that ruling (indeed, they even specifically state that is not the matter before them and not for them to decide at that point), and she was not seeking to be declared a Presidential candiate in that ruling.

So, curious, what is your real purpose for continuing to post this misinformation?

39 posted on 12/01/2012 7:39:06 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeminoleCounty
He is Amnesty-Liberal....very Pro-Illegal Alien Amnesty

Eh...not really. A mixed bag at best on this issue. There was an article where he was denouncing Obama's illegal actions in circumventing Congress as unconstitutional - I'm sure you were among those on the thread condemning Rubio for endorsing Obama's unconstitutional actions even though he said just the opposite.

And he is not Natural Born.

Under the definition of that term as of the time the Constitution was adopted he is, and according to numerous legal rulings pertaining to the same. There is nothing to support that he is not. There are Court rulings which hold people are natural born with far, far looser connections than Rubio - even one where the person was just here for a temporary visit with their parents. Rubio and his parents are both here never intending to be anything other than loyal Americans.

Oh, and we have not even touched his Senate voting record...Rubio voes with the Dems as much as the Maine GOP Senators do

Of course that is nonsense. Indeed, Rubio's conservative voting record was rated 100% by the ACU and Snowe / Collins were both 55%.

What is the real reason you are attacking Rubio?

40 posted on 12/01/2012 7:48:20 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Please do not confuse the FR drama queens and concern trolls with the facts. I have also read the U.S. Constitution and concur with your understanding of “natural born”.

That said, I have yet to become a fan of Rubio. I cannot place my finger on it, but he seems to lack genuineness of belief. Maybe time will change my position.


41 posted on 12/01/2012 9:49:45 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom; All

If we aren’t able to ensure honest elections in the future everything we do will be a waste of effort.


42 posted on 12/01/2012 10:43:29 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I have a reason to be concerned. When asked he could not answer how old the earth is. It’s 4 and a half billion years give or take a few. How hard is that? Last thing we need is another Akin or Murdoch who are unable to answer basic questions.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 12:22:47 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Republican Wildcat
Under the definition of that term as of the time the Constitution was adopted he is, and according to numerous legal rulings pertaining to the same

BS, the Constitution specifically says citizens at the time of signing, after that you must be NBC.

Then perhaps you can explain why the requirement for all other offices are just "Citizen", yet POTUS is specified NBC, and then define the differenc. Oh, and name one court case.

44 posted on 12/01/2012 12:35:17 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Mozilla

ALLEN WEST

Amen!


45 posted on 12/01/2012 12:41:18 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“As has been pointed out to you numerous times, this is not accurate and is easily proven to be false.”

Numerous times? NO.

If you believe my information to be inaccurate, “...easily proven to be false...”, then prove it. Otherwise, you are just sniveling.

The Democratic Party elites knew quite well before the election that BHO2 was ineligible under the U.S.Constitution. They spent a great deal of money and directed extraordinary means to cover their rear ends.

The US Supreme Court Center at Justia.com is the leading resource on the internet which publishes United States Supreme Court decisions free of charge. Starting in 2006, alterations of near surgical precision were performed excizing references to Minor v. Happersett, not just the case name, “Minor v. Happersett”, but whole passages related to Chief Justice Waite’s statements on the citizenship issue which were cited favorably in BOYD V. NEBRASKA EX REL. THAYER, 143 U. S. 135 (1892), and POPE V. WILLIAMS, 193 U. S. 621 (1904). Where Minor is cited on the issue of voting rights, no alterations occurred to those references in later US Supreme Court cases.

Eventually a total of 25 SCOTUS cases on justia.com would be found altered, and the Way Back Machine access to justia.com frozen.

Note: Tim Stanley, CEO of Justia Inc., was a member of Obama For America.

The above actions speak volumes about the power of Minor v. Happersett’s holding on the natural born citizen definition.

You got a problem with that?


46 posted on 12/01/2012 1:21:36 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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