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Are Americans obligated to take up arms against would-be tyrants?
Coach is Right ^ | 12/2/2012 | Doug Book

Posted on 12/02/2012 10:07:29 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

In 1833, thirty four year member of the Supreme Court, Joseph Story, wrote: “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic.” (1)

That “palladium of liberties” has never been exercised more frequently than during the four years Barack Hussein Obama has been in the White House. According to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), “…the top 10 record gun sales days have occurred since Barack Obama’s election in 2008, and gun ownership has skyrocketed over the last four years.” (2)

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) reports that in 1944 there were approximately 192 million firearms owned by 44 million Americans. By the end of 1996, the ATF reports that...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2ndamendment; banglist; barackobama; firearms; jamesmadisn; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 12/02/2012 10:07:42 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

I agree with the conclusion in this article.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Oldpuppymax; marktwain

Ping!


3 posted on 12/02/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I would think any people who cherish freedom have the right to take up arms to defeat tyrants. Live free or die (or be enslaved). Take your pick. The founding fathers allowed us to keep our arms in the event the government (that’s the politicians) overstepped their bounds and continued to take your rights, and earnings (thru taxes) away from the people. It’s been going on steadily, primarily since FDR; the politicians have been trying to take your guns away via law since 1968 (our Federal gun law is similar in structure and content to the one the Nazi’s instituted to make sure they were unopposed once they secured power) and continue to do so to this day. They continue to keep our children ignorant of their past history and rights by the drivel (and lies either by commission or omission)now taught in public schools, combined with the crap that hollywood continues to churn out with tv shows and movies portraying capitalism as the evil spawn of white, male, Christian, europeans, who are the cause of all the problems in the world. Wake up, America, before it’s too late. The slow turn of the screw is upon us, year by year, week by week, day by day.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 10:22:20 AM PST by john drake
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To: Sioux-san
After two centuries of American history and the death of countless men in battle for the preservation of the rights and liberty earned in the Revolution, the time for neutrality or for joining those who would destroy that liberty is over.

The emphasis above is mine. That speaks to me. Are we, as a Country, going to p**s away the freedoms that tens of thousands have died to ensure we have? That thought is repugnant to me.

5 posted on 12/02/2012 10:37:16 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

According to Locke, its mostly a matter of natural law- it will occur because it is supposed to, much like the law of gravity dictates that an object falls to earth.


6 posted on 12/02/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Internal, or external?


7 posted on 12/02/2012 10:51:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I agree, but what does that look like now? The American Revolution was fought when the Patriots were forming a new nation. 200+ years later, we are rapidly pissing it away. I believe that God wants us to fight for our country as this was supposed to be God’s haven on earth. We need to fight, but it’s going to be against family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. Very ugly....much worse than 1860.


8 posted on 12/02/2012 10:53:07 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: ThunderSleeps

“the death of countless men in battle for the preservation of the rights and liberty earned in the Revolution.”

I think it depends on who and what they died for.

The way I look at it, the rights they fought and died for, and the liberty, was a personal decision. They fought for INDIVIDUAL rights, not national rights.

The time has come for us to take back our rights. I would gladly fight for restoration of our rights. When that time comes, I won’t fight for “everyones” rights, I’ll be fighting for MINE, and MY family. That may sound selfish, but it’s not, because I’ll be fighting alongside others who are fighting for the same thing.

So, to me, I would be fighting for the same ideas as my forefathers.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 11:09:04 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Liberty costs!!!


10 posted on 12/02/2012 11:25:01 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Sporke

There’s a line. I won’t speculate exactly what right or situation it demarcates.

But once my peers in government presume to lord over me one time too many, and push over that line, I’ll start killing.

And I’ll have no regrets.


11 posted on 12/02/2012 11:26:20 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The government and all belong to the people; not the tyrants who presume they own it.


12 posted on 12/02/2012 11:27:59 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Oldpuppymax
You decide.

This is what's coming at all of us.

13 posted on 12/02/2012 11:50:23 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The Second Amendment is confirmation of the Founding Fathers’ belief in the “balance of power”. They created 3 branches of government for a reason, and they gave each branch specific powers that provide roadblocks against the others, simply to maintain the balance of power.

The final domain of the balance of power rests with the people’s right to keep and bear arms. If zero gets his way (and he will) on letting the UN take control of our Second Amendment rights, that could well end up being the clarion call to arms for the people to finally apply the brakes to this runaway administration.

For those who may not recognize it, Obama is what happens when the inmates run the plantation (asylum)!


14 posted on 12/02/2012 11:52:45 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Sioux-san

but it’s going to be against family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. Very ugly....much worse than 1860.

I disagree. The 2nd Revolution will happen so fast few of us will know its on and done. The only immediate evidence we will see is a short news blackout, and shortly thereafter an exile announcement and a new leadership.

There may be some relatively minor fighting in the barracks, but those higher will be in agreement to stand with the Patriotic American people. Those like Peelousi and dingy harry will be running for the hills, while many dems will again side with America.


15 posted on 12/02/2012 11:59:10 AM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: Oldpuppymax

It’s a very fine difference, but a people can only resort to arms if it is the only way to preserve the natural rights possesed by all men, recognized in the bill of rights.
It would be immoral to use force to achieve a society we prefer but cannot win by elections, if those basic rights were not threatened.

That is the clear path to OUR becoming dictators. If a group seized power in lieu of election winning, it follows that they cannot stand for elections after seizing that power which they cannot win freely. So now this minority cannot stand for elections, and must begin to suppress dissent. This is the pattern around the world by those who seize power.

However, that situation is a very different thing than an oppressed people righteously fighting an oppressor. So as long as we have free elections, force of arms is wrong.
We must win in the battle of ideas. But the minute elections are a corrupt charade, violent resistance is moral and justified.
The democrats systemic corruption of the electoral process is the most dangerous event we face. Because when a people can no longer use elections to control their government, force is all that is left.

The democrats have brought us closer than ever to this, with the level at which they now supress the military vote, vote the dead, the homeless, register illegals and felons, and import busloads of Somalis who don’t speak english.
Heady stuff if you really think about it.

And our big fail is that we are like Hitler always counting on some miracle weapon that will win the war. We want to find the one pure, perfect president who will overturn Roe v Wade, Kill the fed, eliminate the department of education, the EPA, the IRS, expel all foreign muslims, etc etc,,,all in the first 100 days.
What we should do is focus hard on local races. When we build STRONG representation in cities, counties, and state bodies, the national power will follow. It’s not as easy for us because we are not the party of activism. Our people are working and living life.
But in my opinion, that is the path to winning.

PS, a clear corollary is that if a government uses foreign troops (such as UN) against it’s population in any manner except classic disaster assistance. Thats another bright line. What could be a more clear sign that the government is not OF the people, than that they are forced to use foreigners to enforce their rule?


16 posted on 12/02/2012 12:13:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

My cousin just sent me this pic and I had to post it.

17 posted on 12/02/2012 12:20:35 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: X-spurt

Used to be the the CPUSA and their COMINTERN buddies met in secret.

Now they are in your face, large and in charge, from the WH to the local apparatchik at the county commission.

Any attempt to suppress domestic communism is now branded as hate speech or domestic terrorism.

The Republicans are useless.

It’s time to start developing a strategy to cripple the marxists, and it must be done totally outside of the electoral process through acts of civil disobedience and counter propaganda, with sympathetic State Governors and legislators assisting in the process.

All else fails, the military can fire the scumbags wholesale in all three branches, provisional military government for six months, then new elections (no incumbents need apply) only taxpayers and veterans enfranchised, all amendments repealed except the Bill of Rights, dueling legalized for for members of the House and Senate.


18 posted on 12/02/2012 12:37:41 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: X-spurt

hope you are right, but don’t think so. These people in power are willing to do whatever it takes to win, while the rest of us are a sleep at the switch - the Military seems to be purging the Patriots willing to stick their heads up


19 posted on 12/02/2012 1:07:26 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Oldpuppymax
Are we also obligated, as a result of our unique heritage, to USE those weapons against any force which threatens the annihilation of our rights and liberty?

God given natural rights implies a God given natural duty.But the duty must be carried out rationally.One does not need to sacrifice one's values for a cause that is hopeless.

20 posted on 12/02/2012 1:10:18 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Stonewall Jackson

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.,” said Humphrey to Guns Magazine (“Know Your Lawmakers,” Guns Magazine, Feb. 1960).

That’s right, folks, the liberal Democrat Hubert Humphrey said that. Except Old Hubert would not be welcome in today’s Donk party. Hint: He ran the Commmies out of the DFL when the Minnesota Dems merged with the Farmer-Labor Party.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 1:28:17 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I’ve seen that image posted a couple of times, and I don’t think it’s fully accurate.

I actually am slightly worried about the last part, because the 2nd Amendment only has power if a sufficient number of people are willing to exercise it. Yea, tons of people have recently purchased firearms. But when push comes to shove, how many of them will actually be willing to use them?


22 posted on 12/02/2012 1:29:50 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

We only need 3%...


23 posted on 12/02/2012 1:43:02 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Sporke
The time has come for us to take back our rights. I would gladly fight for restoration of our rights. When that time comes, I won’t fight for “everyones” rights, I’ll be fighting for MINE, and MY family.

I'll be standing right beside you.

24 posted on 12/02/2012 1:56:40 PM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: Sioux-san

The Military is not the one’s doing these recent Big Brass purges.

Even the Russians expect it to happen. So you know the imposters in the whiteyHut are trying to nip it in the bud. But this idea could make those that long to be tyrant think twice before going too far.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 2:02:12 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: Noumenon

Thanks for linking that. I hadn’t heard about it. I hope they get that movie done and out soon.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 2:34:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Oldpuppymax
We have never been in this dire situation with our government since the civil war.

We don't know what is ahead except an economic collapse is surely going to happen. This election was a farce in the swing states and Hussein's executive orders are designed to put us under his thumb through Homeland Security and the EPA rules he orders. Husseincare is destroying business after business and thousands have lost their jobs due to this and it will be millions before businesses are through shutting down or laying off workers. Our citizens, especially the elderly and disabled will die as services are cut off from them.

Did you know when you enter the hospital and are discharged, you can't come back for thirty days because if you do, you pay, Medicare won't pay. Your mothers and fathers will die from no care. Hussein is Hitler and Stalin as he shoves people into the final solution. More will be sent to Hospice to die faster. That's how he saves money.

Who stops Hussein from totally killing the country? No one that I can see can do that. He does what he wants and no one stops him - executive orders and more regulations are his method.

Everyone should store some water and food.

27 posted on 12/02/2012 2:37:28 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
"Are Americans obligated to take up arms against would-be tyrants?"

Yes.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


28 posted on 12/02/2012 3:08:53 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Some of our overlords might want to take into consideration that there are some 5 million deer rifles out there, complete with scopes and owned by men who are proficient in their use.


29 posted on 12/02/2012 6:21:10 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Oldpuppymax
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

We're still in the "prudence" stage, but fast approaching the point of "throw off."

30 posted on 12/02/2012 7:30:02 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo
Jefferson would probably disagree.

" During the contest of opinion through which we have passed [i.e., election of 1800], the animation of discussions and of exertions has sometimes worn an aspect which might impose on strangers unused to think freely and to speak and to write what they think; but this being now decided by the voice of the nation, announced according to the rules of the Constitution, all will, of course, arrange themselves under the will of the law, and unite in common efforts for the common good. All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Let us, then, fellow-citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that, having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions."

31 posted on 12/02/2012 7:32:09 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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