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1 posted on 12/02/2012 10:07:42 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

I agree with the conclusion in this article.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Oldpuppymax; marktwain

Ping!


3 posted on 12/02/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I would think any people who cherish freedom have the right to take up arms to defeat tyrants. Live free or die (or be enslaved). Take your pick. The founding fathers allowed us to keep our arms in the event the government (that’s the politicians) overstepped their bounds and continued to take your rights, and earnings (thru taxes) away from the people. It’s been going on steadily, primarily since FDR; the politicians have been trying to take your guns away via law since 1968 (our Federal gun law is similar in structure and content to the one the Nazi’s instituted to make sure they were unopposed once they secured power) and continue to do so to this day. They continue to keep our children ignorant of their past history and rights by the drivel (and lies either by commission or omission)now taught in public schools, combined with the crap that hollywood continues to churn out with tv shows and movies portraying capitalism as the evil spawn of white, male, Christian, europeans, who are the cause of all the problems in the world. Wake up, America, before it’s too late. The slow turn of the screw is upon us, year by year, week by week, day by day.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 10:22:20 AM PST by john drake
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To: Oldpuppymax

According to Locke, its mostly a matter of natural law- it will occur because it is supposed to, much like the law of gravity dictates that an object falls to earth.


6 posted on 12/02/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Internal, or external?


7 posted on 12/02/2012 10:51:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Liberty costs!!!


10 posted on 12/02/2012 11:25:01 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Oldpuppymax

The government and all belong to the people; not the tyrants who presume they own it.


12 posted on 12/02/2012 11:27:59 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Oldpuppymax
You decide.

This is what's coming at all of us.

13 posted on 12/02/2012 11:50:23 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The Second Amendment is confirmation of the Founding Fathers’ belief in the “balance of power”. They created 3 branches of government for a reason, and they gave each branch specific powers that provide roadblocks against the others, simply to maintain the balance of power.

The final domain of the balance of power rests with the people’s right to keep and bear arms. If zero gets his way (and he will) on letting the UN take control of our Second Amendment rights, that could well end up being the clarion call to arms for the people to finally apply the brakes to this runaway administration.

For those who may not recognize it, Obama is what happens when the inmates run the plantation (asylum)!


14 posted on 12/02/2012 11:52:45 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

It’s a very fine difference, but a people can only resort to arms if it is the only way to preserve the natural rights possesed by all men, recognized in the bill of rights.
It would be immoral to use force to achieve a society we prefer but cannot win by elections, if those basic rights were not threatened.

That is the clear path to OUR becoming dictators. If a group seized power in lieu of election winning, it follows that they cannot stand for elections after seizing that power which they cannot win freely. So now this minority cannot stand for elections, and must begin to suppress dissent. This is the pattern around the world by those who seize power.

However, that situation is a very different thing than an oppressed people righteously fighting an oppressor. So as long as we have free elections, force of arms is wrong.
We must win in the battle of ideas. But the minute elections are a corrupt charade, violent resistance is moral and justified.
The democrats systemic corruption of the electoral process is the most dangerous event we face. Because when a people can no longer use elections to control their government, force is all that is left.

The democrats have brought us closer than ever to this, with the level at which they now supress the military vote, vote the dead, the homeless, register illegals and felons, and import busloads of Somalis who don’t speak english.
Heady stuff if you really think about it.

And our big fail is that we are like Hitler always counting on some miracle weapon that will win the war. We want to find the one pure, perfect president who will overturn Roe v Wade, Kill the fed, eliminate the department of education, the EPA, the IRS, expel all foreign muslims, etc etc,,,all in the first 100 days.
What we should do is focus hard on local races. When we build STRONG representation in cities, counties, and state bodies, the national power will follow. It’s not as easy for us because we are not the party of activism. Our people are working and living life.
But in my opinion, that is the path to winning.

PS, a clear corollary is that if a government uses foreign troops (such as UN) against it’s population in any manner except classic disaster assistance. Thats another bright line. What could be a more clear sign that the government is not OF the people, than that they are forced to use foreigners to enforce their rule?


16 posted on 12/02/2012 12:13:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

My cousin just sent me this pic and I had to post it.

17 posted on 12/02/2012 12:20:35 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Oldpuppymax
Are we also obligated, as a result of our unique heritage, to USE those weapons against any force which threatens the annihilation of our rights and liberty?

God given natural rights implies a God given natural duty.But the duty must be carried out rationally.One does not need to sacrifice one's values for a cause that is hopeless.

20 posted on 12/02/2012 1:10:18 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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We have never been in this dire situation with our government since the civil war.

We don't know what is ahead except an economic collapse is surely going to happen. This election was a farce in the swing states and Hussein's executive orders are designed to put us under his thumb through Homeland Security and the EPA rules he orders. Husseincare is destroying business after business and thousands have lost their jobs due to this and it will be millions before businesses are through shutting down or laying off workers. Our citizens, especially the elderly and disabled will die as services are cut off from them.

Did you know when you enter the hospital and are discharged, you can't come back for thirty days because if you do, you pay, Medicare won't pay. Your mothers and fathers will die from no care. Hussein is Hitler and Stalin as he shoves people into the final solution. More will be sent to Hospice to die faster. That's how he saves money.

Who stops Hussein from totally killing the country? No one that I can see can do that. He does what he wants and no one stops him - executive orders and more regulations are his method.

Everyone should store some water and food.

27 posted on 12/02/2012 2:37:28 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
"Are Americans obligated to take up arms against would-be tyrants?"

Yes.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


28 posted on 12/02/2012 3:08:53 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Some of our overlords might want to take into consideration that there are some 5 million deer rifles out there, complete with scopes and owned by men who are proficient in their use.


29 posted on 12/02/2012 6:21:10 PM PST by OldPossum
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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

We're still in the "prudence" stage, but fast approaching the point of "throw off."

30 posted on 12/02/2012 7:30:02 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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