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How to always win in a fight [video]
Break.com ^ | Nov 28, 2012 | Paul Vunak

Posted on 12/02/2012 11:12:02 PM PST by expat1000

Seems to me a headbutt is something pretty well anyone is capable of no matter what shape they are in and it can be a one strike winner if done right.

This guy created the RAT (Rapid Assault Tactics) system.


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1 posted on 12/02/2012 11:12:09 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Thing about the head butt is to drive your forehead into the nose area.

You do not want to head but forehead to forehead, because their forehead is also thick.

Plus if the opponent turns his face down to your incoming headbutt, you can suffer damage as a result of contacting the thicker bone of his skull.

It is strictly for forehead to face striking and should be done at very close range and very quickly so that the opponent does not see it coming, or after a previous technique that has distracted the opponent from your next possible strike.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 11:18:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: expat1000

Do you really want to do that with the part of your anatomy that you Think with?

TT


3 posted on 12/02/2012 11:24:43 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: TexasTransplant

Why not? Your forehead bone is 10 times tougher than his nose cartilage. The elbow is your most lethal weapon because not only it is strong, it can reach his face easier than a kick.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 11:46:32 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: TexasTransplant; shibumi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc


5 posted on 12/02/2012 11:51:19 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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To: expat1000

Let’s treat him seriously.

He’s a professional. Why I bet he’d last about 1.5 seconds longer with a professional MMA fighter than I would.


6 posted on 12/03/2012 12:38:36 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

I’m not sure what you mean, by “let’s treat him seriously”

I don’t see any comparison to MMA at all, where head butts are banned, and competitors need to be well rounded in many disciples including wresting and submissions. This is street survival fighting. Of course people are going to have opinions as to whether or not these are good techniques or not. Sure he probably couldn’t beat a professional UFC fighter - couldn’t beat a .45 double tap to the chest either - so?


7 posted on 12/03/2012 1:09:15 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

You have to take my whole comment in context. I didn’t say that he’d last long against a professional MMA fighter, just 1.5 seconds longer than me. :)


8 posted on 12/03/2012 1:12:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

>>You have to take my whole comment in context

I was trying to - I just couldn’t understand all of it!


9 posted on 12/03/2012 1:44:50 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Let me explain it to you simply.

However long I can last, or not, he would last about 1.5 seconds longer. If I can run around the ring, for a minute, he’ll be down in 1:01.5. If I’m down ten seconds, he’ll be down in 11.5 seconds.

In other words, what the man is preaching, is pretty worthless information.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 1:46:55 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: expat1000

When I saw the movie “Gangs of New York” I saw a style of fighting that nobody dares to talk about, like cutting a hamstring muscle.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 2:11:51 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Salamander

Agreed.


12 posted on 12/03/2012 2:26:34 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jonty30; expat1000
Let me explain it to you simply. However long I can last, or not, he would last about 1.5 seconds longer. If I can run around the ring, for a minute, he’ll be down in 1:01.5. If I’m down ten seconds, he’ll be down in 11.5 seconds. In other words, what the man is preaching, is pretty worthless information.

I think there is a lot of misinformation - but that the misinformation is about MMA being some sort of self-defense panacea. MMA is a reality-based sport, but it is still a sport. And yes, while I agree with you that in a ring someone like Paul Vunak would probably not win against a good MMA fighter, I can also guarantee that in a street fight that MMA fighter would not last ten seconds against someone like Paul Vunak.

Why? Because MMA is a sport. That is why gloves are won. That is why there are certain rules ...eg some of the very tools Paul Vunak advocates (e.g. fingers to the eye, scrotum pulls, bites to the throat - techniques he has taught to various government agencies such as the FBI's HRT and the Navy SEALS) are banned in MMA. Because MMA is a sport!

Yet many people in the fighting arts always try to downgrade people by bringing up the 'if it is so effective why don't we see it in the UFC.' Well, because it wouldn't work too good in the UFC. For one gloves prevent eye jabs (which are banned anyways), dropping knees to the throat are illegal, and it is quite difficult to bite a nose off with a mouthguard on (any anyways that is illegal too ...and as for biting, one of the things Vunak teaches is kinomutai, which is uninterrupted biting. He had an interesting exercise where he had someone strap a side of beef to his side - interesting what damage aggressive biting can do. Oh, and yes - it is disgusting, but when someone has you in a jujitsu hold it is an easy way to get out, and if it wasn't effective the FBI's HRT wouldn't be wasting time and money learning it).

I am not knocking MMA. I guess the mix of styles I take could be called MMA-ish. However, MMA is not a sport, and why I agree that what Paul Vunak teaches, or what various teachers of systems like Kali and Krav Maga teach, would not be too effective in the ring (since many of the tools they espouse are limited due to gloves or illegal due to rules), I think it is quite short-sighted (to put it kindly) to say that it is 'pretty worthless information.' Why? Because it is not a ring sport? Interesting then that basically all the CQB hand to hand systems taught to Tier 1 and Tier 2 special operations are similar/same to what Paul Vunak teaches. Interesting that they are learning 'pretty worthless information.' To get to anything similar to MMA you have to get to regular armed forces, such as MCMAP for the Marine Corps and US Army Combatives. The moment you get into special operations they are not learning MMA-esque MCMAP, but rather the worthless techniques people like Paul Vunak teach, with Vunak being one of the teachers in the past. Same with the Israelis - the various Sayaret units would be quite interested to learn how worthless the Krav Maga and KAPAP they have been learning for so long is a waste of time, and how they need to go to the Lion's Den or similar MMA gyms and learn how to do a Kimura lock on someone trying to kill them with a surprise knife attack before they could get their firearm. I'm sure they should be teaching MMA style ground-and-pound, or maybe MMA/BBJ spider ground defense (after it works so well for the Gracies) to Tier 1 and 2 operators rather than what they learn. After all, MMA works so well that Ryan Gracie, who died in a jail cell after a bad reaction to medicine given after he was hit in the head by a person that Ryan had tried to steal a motorcycle from, should simply have told that guy to stop hitting him in the head and instead use legal (for MMA and BJJ, though not the street) moves like getting into the Guard position. After all, had the guy trying to stop Ryan Gracie from stealing his motorcycle used MMA techniques Ryan would be alive today. Unfortunately the man used worthless moves that wouldn't work in the ring, and Ryan Gracie died.

Seriously - saying someone is teaching worthless stuff because it is not MMA is quite shortsighted. Especially considering who some of the consumers of this 'worthless' stuff are, and the fact that the only place you'll get MMA style techniques in the military is in normal units. The moment you go into more specialized units they start teaching them more vicious CQB H2H systems, and MMA is laughed at there.

13 posted on 12/03/2012 2:52:44 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

That is why gloves are won = that is why gloves are worn.


14 posted on 12/03/2012 2:54:02 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Pencak Silat and/or Shaolin Kung Fu... the only way to learn...


15 posted on 12/03/2012 3:09:40 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Pencak (and the other styles of) Silat are quite effective. Even more effective are the styles of Kuntao. As for Shao Lin ...that is trickier, because a lot of what is taught nowadays is modern Wushu. Modern Wushu is very flashy and looks very pretty, but its usefulness is questionable. Traditional Shao Lin can be effective, and there are some styles of Kung Fu that are very practical (e.g. Baji Quan and Xing Yi ...Baji for instance is used by the Chinese secret service equivalent), but they tend to look 'ugly' and not as pretty as the modern wushu variants.

If you have a good Silat/Kuntao/Kali guro/guru then you are in a nice place. Many of the knife techniques are truly good. A friend of mine in Kenya is flying to the Philippines to study Pekiti Tirsia Kali with GM Leo Gaje, who teaches his 'worthless skill' to the Filipino special forces. I guess they should simply go do MMA instead.

16 posted on 12/03/2012 3:22:12 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Eye of Unk

Slicing the inside of the thigh will cause death by bleeding, but maybe not fast enough to save you from the attacker. If you are down and manage to get a blade out, cutting behind the ankle or knee can give effect. Stabbing under the armpit can reach the lungs, and I’ve been told causes such pain as to possibly stop the confrontation. Just my thoughts, but the under the arm stab could be an effective first strike against someone wearing protection?


17 posted on 12/03/2012 5:11:24 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: expat1000

Fast and repetitive blows of any kind are better than thinking about what you are going to do.

A thumb to the eye does more damage than a fist, and almost everyone will let go and protect their eyes. A great thing for women to remember.

Hard parts to soft or crunchy parts is an age old fighting technique. Yes, a head butt to the face or the side of the head does far more damage to the receiver than the giver.

A throat punch well delivered will incapacitate anyone and may kill them without medical care after.

The nose, eyes, and throat are not protected by muscle or fat, where getting to a strong fat man’s other vitals can be very tough. I think many women overestimate the groin kick, as its easy to miss the mark, and its just painful, not necessarily debilitating.

All street fighting techniques do serious damage, which is why they are banned from boxing, wrestling, etc.


18 posted on 12/03/2012 5:15:50 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: spetznaz

my favorite technique is gone pow chicken, extra spicy.

I run from danger like my privates are on fire!


19 posted on 12/03/2012 5:37:29 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: SampleMan

>>A thumb to the eye does more damage than a fist, and almost everyone will let go and protect their eyes.

The thing is, though, that defensiveness about the eyes applies during a confrontation/fight as well. People as you say, protect their eyes. I think the emphasis in the video on head butts is because people don’t instinctively protect themselves from them, especially if you can distract them with those fast and repetitive blows you mentioned, and even if they try to, defending from the head butt is not only tougher, but the movements required to do so makes a person vulnerable in other areas.


20 posted on 12/03/2012 5:47:44 AM PST by expat1000
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
I run from danger like my privates are on fire!

But sometimes there is no place to run. Then you gotta have some kind of backup plan.

21 posted on 12/03/2012 6:07:48 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Backup plan provided by Mr’s Smith and Wesson.


22 posted on 12/03/2012 6:20:15 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat1000

I have been in several self-defense scenarios and than the head butt the best is a slap rather than a punch (to the head only, won’t do much on ribs). You run a 50/50 shot of breaking a bone in your hand whereas a slap not only lowers that risk it also provides you an easy transition into a knife hand block or grabbing move. Also, a well delivered slap will water eyes so quick it makes your head spin.

Also, never kick above the waist, you open yourself up for a wide range of attacks.

That Glock trumps everything.


23 posted on 12/03/2012 6:29:47 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Did you watch the video? It’s all head butts, slaps, knees, and a couple of low kicks. Exactly what you are describing.

Sure (not a Glock - I hate ‘em!) a S&W or preferably .45 Colt Commander would be nice, but that’s not always possible due to various circumstances.


24 posted on 12/03/2012 6:54:45 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Yes, I agree about the head butt being unexpected. For a smaller person, who has just had their arms trapped to their sides or grabbed, it is about the only shot at breaking loose.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 7:01:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: expat1000

My company blocks most videos. Sometimes I see them most of time I cannot.


26 posted on 12/03/2012 7:05:27 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: expat1000

As an aside, Paul Vunak’s martial arts background is centered around Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kun Do, which is a very infighting oriented, energy conserving style much like Ed Parker’s American Kenpo.

It was very different from Lee’s movie screen martial arts which was very flashy and showy, visually more interesting.

Master Parker did a movie with Hapkido Master Bong Soo Han, called “Kill the Golden Goose”, which was terribly hard to film, because most of the action takes place in the small area between two opponents. Almost too fast to see at normal speed.

So, it was true to life, a movie for martial artists instead of for martial arts movies fans.


27 posted on 12/03/2012 8:01:45 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You might enjoy this:

http://www.investingchannel.com/article/125768/Kung-Fu-Expert-in-China-Beats-Up-Mob-of-50-Trying-to-Evict-Him#.ULzLhWWtZQU

28 posted on 12/03/2012 8:07:48 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Salamander

Now that was funny...

Back story on that scene was that he had eaten something that didn’t wish to stay with him... he needed a toilet, he said that there was an entire fight scene choreographed and practiced... but he had to go... therefore that “aw crap” look on his face after he shot the guy

TT


29 posted on 12/03/2012 10:17:05 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Dig fingers into area between the jaws and ears and press in like hell. try it on yourself.

Fast, double handed, cupped hand, ear slaps are debilitating/disorienting and can lead to deafness on the opponent.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 11:53:28 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’ve studied Vunak’s techniques. The thing that makes them work is you’ve got 8 basic moves to learn, and they are not extremely complex. You don’t have five or six steps to do something, you have one uncomplicated move. The other thing, noting your Bruce Lee reference, is the physical distance where the fighting takes place. Lee narrowed the distance from where it normally took place and had an advantage over other fighters of the day whose styles required them to have more room to set up moves and longer attack and defense times.

Also Vunak expressed in his teaching you do what you need to do so that you can get away, not stay and keep fighting.


31 posted on 12/03/2012 11:59:58 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

And I should clarify that while you only have 8 moves to remember, you can chain them into a vast array of moves, pretty much endless combinations. See a leg opening, use one of several leg moves. See an opening for a head move of one kind or another, use a head move. Can you do a move that dislocates the elbow? or breaks a foot arch? Do that move.

Then get the hell outta there.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 12:04:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: expat1000

Ping for later...


33 posted on 12/03/2012 3:08:33 PM PST by HeadOn (With my last breath, I will pull the lever against the liberals. NEVER GIVE UP.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Years ago a FReeper here told a story in third person (to protect the guilty) of being mugged by four guys in the Philippines and taking out an Achilles tendon on each one with a Spyderco folder knife.


34 posted on 12/03/2012 4:43:37 PM PST by Rebelbase
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