Skip to comments.Obama Wants To Go Over The Fiscal Cliff
Posted on 12/03/2012 4:35:55 PM PST by smoothsailing
November 29, 2012
It’s pretty obvious by now that Obama actually wants to go over the so-called “Fiscal Cliff.” Occam’s Razor tells us that’s the only possible conclusion. Let’s run it down:
1. Even before the election, Obama said he would veto any legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff that didn’t include a tax hike on the “top 2%.” It used to be 1% but that changed over time for some odd reason. Probably because the number doesn’t really matter. It’s just a metaphor for “millionaires and billionaires” who, incidentally, aren’t the only ones who will see a tax rate hike on the 2%. It will include people who aren’t millionaires and billionaires and actually create most of the new jobs in this country. But again, that’s not the point here. Obama is just tapping into the population’s envy of the rich. At best the tax hikes will raise about 80 Billion dollars a year and the yearly deficit alone is over 1 Trillion dollars. Insisting on tax hikes that won’t even scratch the deficit isn’t an economic or fiscal argument. It’s demagoguery. Conversely, taking an additional 80 Billion out of the private sector will hurt the economy, so insisting on a measure that will hurt the economy and do nothing to address the fiscal situation leads to one conclusion: Obama doesn’t want a deal made.
2. If we go over the fiscal cliff – here’s exactly what that means, by the way – Obama gets exactly what he and his progressives have wanted all along. Higher taxes on everyone and more dependence on government as the economy slips once again into a recession. The fiscal cliff will create the kind of economic destruction that Obama and his ideological brethren have always thought was needed in order to usher in “real change” or the proverbial “fundamental transformation” of America. The game is to let the fiscal cliff happen, blame Republicans for it, and then use that as leverage to expand the welfare state to heights never imagined. It’s Cloward-Piven on steroids.
3. When Obama has been pressed to provide a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, he has referred to his last budget as the plan. This is the same budget that was defeated in the Senate 99-0. He knows this isn’t a plan. It’s already dead. Pretending this is his plan is proof that he has no plan and that he doesn’t actually want a deal. He wants the fiscal cliff to happen.
There is no other explanation for Obama’s actions on this matter. When you pare down what he’s saying, the only thing he has proposed is a tax hike that he knows Republicans won’t go for because the hikes will hurt the economy. He’s not negotiating in good faith.
I dare anyone to provide any evidence whatsoever that Obama is interested in reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff. And no, his words are not evidence. He’s a liar. Show me some action, any action, that indicates he is looking to cut a deal.
Of course he does.. want to disassemble America...
Thats what Cloward-Piven is all about.. i.e. “Rules for Radicals- Alinsky”..
WHats usually missing in this “discussion” is the “planned” social unrest.. i.e. riots..
The “Top Down, bottoms up, inside out” aspect of it all..
The Obama minions WANT to produce revolt.. so that they can come in to “crush it”..
And in crushing it produce some form of Marshall Law..
Not to be called Marshall Law but with the same result..
With “Show Trials”, “Kangaroo Courts” and maybe death squads..
It a well rehearsed form of Coup D-Etat.. carried out in many places.. even perfected as strategy and tactics..
Its planned a long time.. many have seen it coming... and been warning us for decades..
Its here, and happening NOW... Voting died Nov. 6th..
Rigor mortis is setting in on the republican party..
Be patient... “Weekend at Bernies” Republicans have already started..
Except “this” may not be as funny..
Going over the fiscal cliff is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. The person who yells “fire!” — President Nobama Zero — could be trampled in the panic that ensues, and so could the Democrats.
They are playing with fire and there’s no way of knowing which will the fire will burn and who it will take out. In the end, I think the public will blame the Democrats for higher taxes — they know where the GOP stands on taxes, even if the media blames the GOP for going over the cliff.
The only solution for the Red-States of America is to vote with their feet.
You've got the unions, the community organizers, academia, the hungry takers...
We've got the producers and the builders.
Hey Barky...how does that hate taste? Like chicken...or like cardboard?
Take your vision forward...Cloward-Piven all the way!
Steak Card-Board...hmmm. Delicious.
But it tastes like paper...
Obama’s M.O. from the beginning has been to go over every fiscal cliff that’s available.So this new one is no surprise.
It’s MARTIAL law, MARTIAL....not MARSHALL.
Surf the wave all the way to the bottom.
The fuel-laden airliner has just been flown into the skyscraper all over again. A series of events has been set into motion that would appear to be irreversible.
The principle of secession has never been declared illegal, or counter to the original meaning of the US Constitution. Actually, it is a toss-up whether the principle is that of secession, or of booting out the undesirable elements to clean up the rapidly spreading pool of corruption and decay.
Shouldn’t be too difficult with a few well-crafted sentences, and an accurate recounting of the articles of indictment, to come up with a brand-new “Redeclaration of Independence”. Our peaceable petitions are falling on deaf ears and remain unanswered.
Lock and load....
I have seen this suggested several times, but Obama and his cronies are notoriously bad at economics and any form of government other than organized crime type.
So the question becomes, who actually does benefit, the Dems or Republicans and conservatives, if we go over the fiscal cliff?
I am betting that the Republicans will come under pressure for a month or two, but then the pressure will shift to the Democrats, and become a lot more intense.
And remember, the fiscal cliff is just one economic disaster. There are a bunch more waiting to happen, and they could totally mess up the Democrat scheme.
What would be the REAL downside of “going over the cliff” ?
Nothing more than what we have already, I would assume.
Obama’s regulations have already stalled the economy, and more to come will kill it the rest of the way.
If we go “over the cliff” the economy will simply slow some more.... big deal it sux already... and Obama will own it.
Obama’s legacy will be that of Jimmy Carter, and the people that voted for him will suffer more, as their entitlements dry up.
The whole world will suffer as the U.S. saves itself.
“Fiscal Cliff” is made up by the MSM including FOX and MSNBC & CNBC & CNN.
So we all go nuts... and watch the news
Upon what evidence do you place that wager? The press has Obama's back, and will cast all blame on the GOP. It is upon the Pubbies the pressure will increase, not the Dems. I'd take your bet in a second.
Let the Cliff Happen—Its mostly Hype. They will kick it down to 2014 and borrow more money from China and Japan.
“fiscal cliff” is a gimmicky talking point, it doesn’t really define anything.
I think it was Obama and the leftist media that started throwing the phrase around. It’s supposed to be scary, I guess, since we’re told we must avoid it.
Problem is, Obama wants it. It gives him and Democrats what they’ve dreamed of all along. Higher taxes, more job losses, a gutted national defense, and more wealth redistribution because of the resulting increase in unemployment, and they get to blame it all on the Republicans. All this increases Democrat power and control, or at least that’s the plan.
Don’t seem to make much difference now..
You know spelling errors..
“They will kick it down to 2014 and borrow more money from China and Japan.”
They are going to do that anyway.... $800B over 10 years is a drop in the bucket