Skip to comments.DUmmie FUnnies 12-07-12 (DUmmies cry: "Tax the churches!")
Posted on 12/07/2012 11:19:39 AM PST by Charles Henrickson
The DUmmies LOVE taxes! They just love them! Tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, TAX!!! More taxes, higher taxes, more, more, more! As long as the DUmmies themselves don't have to pay them. But tax the other guy? Sure! Tax 'em out the wazoo!
Where to find more food to feed the federal Leviathan? Big Government has a Big Appetite. Sandra Fluke's pills don't come cheap, you know. So where to look? Corporations, of course. Rich people, of course. They're all evil. (Well, all of them except for the deep-pocket Democrat donors, I guess.)
Let's see, whom haven't we taxed yet? Hey, I've got it! Non-profit organizations! No, wait, not ALL non-profit organizations. Just . . . just the churches. Yeah, that's it! TAX THE F***ING CHURCHES!!!
You see, that would exempt the DUmmies, since they don't go to church. They HATE churches. They hate Christianity, above all things. The DUmmies are the advance guard of the Democrats' War on Religion. And so, displaying their unique sense of love and tolerance, the DUmmies turn their wrath once again toward Christian churches here in this THREAD, "Does anyone else think it's time to tax the churches?"
So let us now watch the paganized progs take aim at the church as a new target to tax, in Bolshevik Bullseye Red, while the commentary of your humble guest correspondent, Charles Henrickson, one who would be added to the growing ranks of the Obama Unemployed if the government were to tax churches, is in the overtaxed [brackets]:
Does anyone else think it's time to tax the churches?
[Someone new to tax? And they're Christians? Sweet! The DUmmies will be all over this like vampires looking at fresh necks.]
Without a doubt. Absolutely!!
[No thinking required!! Automatic yes! You said "tax," which I love, and "churches," which I hate. No-brainer!]
[With even more exclamation marks!!!!]
Especially Christian churches.
[Yes! In fact, ONLY Christian churches! We hates them!!!]
Our government is going broke - it's way past time to end the free ride.
[Or--here's a novel thought--maybe the government could cut back on their spending a wee bit. WHOA! I know. Shocking.]
Long past time. Tax them like the businesses they are.
[Charge 'em back-taxes, too. Retroactive. 200+ years' worth. That'll show 'em.]
Do you want to tax all non-profit organizations, or just religious ones?
[Um, um . . . ooh, that's right. They're non-profit organizations, aren't they? And, and . . . to be fair. . . . Well, my answer is no, not all non-profits, just the religious ones. And really, just the Christian religious non-profit organizations. We hates them.]
I do not see churches as non-profit organizations. . . .
[Even though they ARE non-profit organizations, I don't SEE them as that, and my view is what counts.]
Why is your question even relevant to this debate? No one said tax non-profits.
[Just churches. Because churches are bad. The non-profits we LIKE--no, don't tax them. In fact, tax the churches, and give the money to the non-profits we like, like, the Sandra Fluke Planned Barrenhood Foundation (SFPBF).]
clearly, there are some non-profits that really ought to be taxed, like the Komen Foundation and some of the supposedly non-profits which were really superPACs.
[Oh oh! Did you just say something against the Komen Foundation?? That's SEXIST! Go put a pink ribbon on your head and sit in the corner! You're in time-out, mister!]
maybe exempt them up to a certain size. This might have the welcomed effect of dampening mega-churches.
[Considering how sappy most mega-churches are--they tend to be non-prophet organizations--you almost persuade me. Almost.]
They have a lot of input in politics influencing the voter to vote for certain candidates and pass laws that agree with their theology. This violates separation of church and state, so if they want to play, they need to pay.
if they want to be political they should lose their tax exempt status. Politics should not be spoken from the pulpit. . . .
[You mean like the black churches that have Democrat candidates speak from their pulpits? Like Jeremiah Wright's church? They don't preach religion, they preach politics. Tax them? Put them out of business? OK, I guess we'll have to specify: Only WHITE churches, only Christian churches, and only those where the majority of members are conservative.]
as it is, taxes fall most heavily on the poor and those with no voice.
[Really? REALLY?? Are you referring to the huge number of voters under a certain income who don't pay any taxes at all?? And yet they get to vote, and put an oaf like Obama back in office??]
Long overdue! I would love to tax them into oblivion.
[Diogenes, call off your search. I have found an honest DUmmie.]
You can't pick and choose among non-profits. They all have to be taxed or none of them. Taxing non-profits would destroy most of them. Some of the real big ones would survive but most wouldn't so that is why there would be no political will to do this. Also churches would argue (I think successfully) that it would be a violation of the First Amendment. The power to tax is the power to destroy and that would violate the free exercise clause of the First amendment.
[And WE can call off OUR search for a Kewpie Doll winner! It is none other than DUmmie former9thward, for this Brief Moment of Mental Clarity. Congratulations!]
What profit do churches have? Most churches I know use their entire budget towards salaries, building or charitable efforts.
[Well, yeah. But, but . . . TAX THEM ANYWAY! They're CHURCHES, for Gaia's sake, and we HATE churches!]
Their land and buildings should be taxed. And their businesses.
[And their photocopiers. And their pew cushions. Whatever we can find to tax. Oh, and their potluck dinners. Especially those jello salads with the carrots in them. Tax those into oblivion. Please.]
So the same should happen to all non-profits, right? Otherwise the churches are being specifically targeted, which kind of goes against that Constitution thingy.
[Sorry, only one Kewpie Doll per thread.]
Stop it!!! Facts are really annoying to someone on an illogical rant against their personal boogeyman!
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
What you are proposing is discrimination against, and in reality elimination of, small churches, synagogues, and mosques in favor of the mega-facility that you seem to think (wrongly) dominates the religious landscape in the US. I am surprised that anyone would favor a concentration of unfettered political power into a handful of super-sized churches.
[The LFTs are coming out of the woodwork.]
Since the republicans think that the churches/religion should take care of people instead of the government, then the churches should be required to serve the poor.
[Fine. We would love to do that. Charity SHOULD be done by private organizations, churches, family, friends, etc., and not by the government. However, first, you would have to stop the government spending on social programs and give the revenue back to the taxpayers, so we would have the money to give toward charitable works.]
Churches benefit from the community.
[Roads and bridges, right? Jesus: "I will build my church." Obama: "You didn't build that!"]
We should - especially now - when the churchs have gotten their foot in the door by bitching about contraception and women's healty rights.
[Correction: We are "bitching" (ironic use of the term) about the government forcing us to pay for things that go against our religious beliefs, like abortifacients for Sandra Fluke.]
Absolutely .. Yes, Yes..and yes!
[Sandra is getting excited!]
burn them down. . . .
[That's a STUPID idea! How could you tax them then?]
churches are sewers of hate.
[Feel the irony!]
Most preachers make little to no money. . . .
[Tell me about it.]
I know alot of priests who drive Beamers. . . .
[I know a lot of pastors who drive beat-up old used cars with lots of mileage on them. Indeed, I know one personally.]
Unite! and Join me a New Movement to Tax all religious church property! . . . churches, schools, diocesan offices, bishops residences, clergy residences, cemeteries, hospitals, universities, retreat facilities, youth camps, megachurches, store front churches, convents, seminaries and all the companies who supply products to those churches including wine, hosts and religious items.
[How about those little plastic individual cups? Most pastors I know wish we could get rid of them. Maybe I'd go along with taxing those.]
Time to start a movement.
[I see Sandra, and she has started a movement . . .]
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
[Calm down, Sandy!]
"Nasty, tricksy, churcheses! We hates them!"
Let’s tax movie & pay for view tickets.
The left prays that God doesn’t exist.
In before 10. Before I got the ping.
Bastard children of the French Revolution, they are.
Since they love taxes so much....Maybe the Republican House SHOULD add a couple of new taxes. Marriage License Tax for Gay couples(To apply you have to pay $10,000/Submit Mental health forms and fingetprints), Tax for NOT owning at least one Gun/Tax Breaks for those owning at least one/more for 3+ .........LOL
I feel a Ten Years After song coming on...
“Their land and buildings should be taxed. And their businesses.”
Once again these fools point out that they are morons! First, taxing land and buildings is done with the Property Tax that is executed by the city/viallage, county and states. As of yet, there is not Federal property tax. It is up to those localities to exempt churches, or any other property.
Secondly, if a Church is involved in a “Business” then I am wagering that the vast majority do pay the federal taxes required. I would also bet that this type of example is very rare.
Finally, as Churches are generally not busineses or evil corporations, there is no official business revenue to federally tax. However, they do have employees, the vast majority of whom are the Pastors. I’ve never inspected a Pastor’s Income Tax Return forms, but I am most certain that they do pay Federal Income Tax at the required tax bracket rate. They probably pay the Medicare Payroll Tax too. However, I will admit that I know that they can voluntarily, and leagally, abstain from paying SSIP payroll taxes.
I hope every Pastor does abstain from the SSIP tax!
I hid myself, because I was naked...
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
The ring again, gave the wearer invisibility. Forged in fire of greatest evil.
The ring itself, destroyed in the Cracks of Doom.
Tax the Churches?
That was my last resort, I could get ordained online and start my own non taxable Church /s
It seems a bit blasphemous, but it was an option.
I know lots of ordained ministers with lots of wild ideas.
Why not Minister mylife?
Oh yeah... now I remember, It seems a bit blasphemous.
That did not take long! LOL
Which is why the founding fathers established the Evangelical College.
Wait..wha? the electoral what?
I'll have what that Dummie is having...
<:: [I know a lot of pastors who drive beat-up old used cars with lots of mileage on them. Indeed, I know one personally.] ::
I suspect you and he live in the same parsonage! But, driving around ina beat-up car ain’t really a “pastoral” thing. It is more a Swedish/German/Lutheran thing, jah.
Damn you Dan Kathy for offering tasty chicken sandwiches with a smile! We need a special Christian Business tax!
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!
I am so totally going to use that twist of words in the future!
We were told about this exemption before we graduated from seminary. However, to abstain from paying the Social Security tax, you would have to do so on specificaly religious grounds. While I am opposed to the Social Security program and wish it had never come into existence, my objection is based on constitutional grounds, not religious ones. So I have to pay the Social Security tax.
BTW, as a pastor, I am considered "self-employed," so I've got to pay the whole enchilada on my own.
Clearly all Christians are shysters and all “spiritual” charlatans are the real deal.
Nice picture of James Carville.
Was that photo taken outside the Michigan legislature yesterday?
And these people run the country, damn that’s scary. Way to go America!
TAX THE UNIONS!!
The most liberal churches are probably the ones where the pastor gets a Beamer and a private plane.
tax the unions
They better pray the devil doesn't exist.
I load 400 of those once a month for the Lord's Supper. Wouldn't bother me to get rid of them, but You had better check with the other Deacons who do clean up and would have to wash and dry those 400 little shot glasses. :)
No, while glass is better than plastic, I’m talking about getting rid of individual cups altogether and just going with the chalice. That is the historic Christian practice, it accords with how the Lord instituted the Supper, and that is what I would prefer to do. “Individual cups” is a recent innovation. But not everyone in the congregation would be ready for chalice only, so I don’t press it. I offer the chalice first, and then the tray of individual cups.
is it a wooden chalice?
for the grape juice that is
Sorry but you don’t deserve the coveting IB4TP. You just weren’t paying attention. You do however deserve the top ten designation.
“”Nasty, tricksy, churcheses! We hates them!” “
We all know that the DUmmies are filthy little Communist atheist. Vlad and Karl would be so proud of them.
” No, while glass is better than plastic, Im talking about getting rid of individual cups altogether and just going with the chalice.”
As a FORMER Episcopalian, I never had Communion from anything but a silver Chalice. I never heard of anyone complaining, no matter how many drank from it in one communion.
In the Catholic church here, there is only the wafer.
No, the chalice is traditionally made of metal. Ours looks like this:
for the grape juice that is
We do not use grape juice in the Lord's Supper. Wine is the element that Christ used in instituting the Sacrament of his Body and Blood, and so that is what we use.
I don’t drink alcohol. I think anyone giving it to children should be imprisoned.
Oh, and their potluck dinners. Especially those jello salads with the carrots in them. Tax those into oblivion. Please.
Then, over at the DUmmie FUnnies blogspot, commenter Jerome Goolsby wrote:
What do you have against those jello salads? I think those are outstanding.
I like many jello salads. You can't be a Lutheran pastor if you don't like jello salads. It's just that I don't like the ones with the carrots.
If I had stayed in the USSA, I would have joined the Lutherans, as many Episcopalians did, but the nearest would have been in Memphis, 60 miles from me.
I did visit one Lutheran church in South Carolina, a few years prior to my “escape from America”.
I suspect we will have the chance to find out. The War is coming.
[Oops. There goes DU. ]
Shouldn’t the church sign read “St. Matthews?”
The reason is that you have to put an additive that was only discovered by a Mr. Welch a little over a century ago into grape juice to keep it from fermenting into wine.
Then better arrest my father. When I was 8 we moved to Puerto Rico. My father soon had a stockpile of a lot of different rums including a very sweet banana rum. I liked the smell so I began sneaking quick drinks of it. One day he caught me in the act and took out a large glass and told me to fill it with the rum and then drink all of it down and then he would tell me a story. I did like he said and while reeling from the effects I asked him about the story. With a big smile he told me that the story was that rum is not good for little boys to drink.
The interesting thing is that sort of demystified alcohol for me. In my teen years I couldn't understand why my friends made such a big deal out of sneaking drinks on the sly.
You are correct. Grape juice did not even exist until 1869, when Dr. Welch, a temperance advocate, invented the stuff and tried to have his church use it in place of the wine used in their Communion service--which, by the way, shows that wine was always used up until then.
Wine is what Christ used in instituting the Sacrament, which he did at the end of the Passover meal. And while each of the disciples had their own cup at the table, Christ specifically took his own cup and gave it to them and said "Drink of it." The disciples did not drink from their own individual cups. Hence the historic use in the church of the chalice, the "common cup."
Again, as to Christ having no problem with drinking wine, think of the wedding at Cana. People drink wine at wedding feasts. And when they ran out, Jesus did not turn the water into . . . grape juice. And the master of the feast, after tasting it, did not say, "You have saved the best grape juice until now!"
As to serving wine to "children," I was confirmed and received Communion for the first time at age 13, which is fairly typical. In some churches, it is even younger, say, 8 to 11. But that is no problem. The amount of wine the communicant receives is just a small amount, not anywhere near enough to intoxicate. God gives good gifts to his children, supremely so in the Sacrament, when our Lord gives us his very Body and Blood, under the bread and wine, for the forgiveness of our sins.
But I digress. The DUmmies would tax Communion wine or grape juice, either one.
My thought exactly. Bunch of internet Jacobins.
I thought about using a photo of our poor little old humble church building, that this is what the DUmmies would want to destroy. But then I came across the picture I ended up using, which has the message put onto the signboard, "All your church are belong to us," etc. And that fit the theme perfectly.
My thought exactly. Bunch of internet Jacobins
GMTA. And that is why I used the image at the top of the mob marching out.
Hm, Welch’s grape juice will definitely ferment once the lid seal is broken. Was Mr. Welch’s innovation really an additive or was it that he pasteurized it to kill off any yeast, then sealed the cap?
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