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Man who obeyed Montana’s medical marijuana laws could get life in prison from Obama administration
wordpress ^ | December 10, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 12/10/2012 1:35:00 PM PST by grundle

This seven minute video from the New York Times shows the story of Chris Williams in Montana. This makes me really glad that I wrote in Ron Paul for President in 2008, and voted for Libertarian Gary Johnson in 2012. I also applaud Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s position on this issue.

For those of you who voted for Obama, well, I hope you’re happy with his actions against medical marijuana. I hope you’re happy that this person could get life in prison. I hope you’re happy that people with AIDS, cancer, multiple sclerosis, glaucoma, and other illnesses, who have prescriptions for medical marijuana from their doctors, are being denied the medicine that they need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GKkFL1sTigc

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; medpot; statesrights; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 12/10/2012 1:35:03 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Oops! I did not mean to check of the “excerpt” box.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 1:36:42 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I have a problem with Obama being against Marijuana.

The Choom lord of Hawaii who smoked it like it was free and by all explanations used to Bogard the joint. A man who used Cocaine and is against Marijuana?

Doesn’t make much sense does it, but then not much of anything Obama does makes sense.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 1:44:02 PM PST by Venturer
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To: grundle
The law's the law.It matters not what various states may legislate...possession of even minute amounts is still a Federal offense,as is distribution.Possession or distribution of larger amounts can get you some serious time at Club Fed.
5 posted on 12/10/2012 1:46:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardice, and we don’t need more cowards in this country.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 1:50:51 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: grundle

I can sympathize with a pothead who feels betrayed by O.

Just know that better men have been betrayed by him too.


7 posted on 12/10/2012 1:53:45 PM PST by marron
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To: blueunicorn6
Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardice, and we don’t need more cowards in this country.

Agree 10,000% !

8 posted on 12/10/2012 1:55:21 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: grundle

Why did the sheriffs (who supposedly supported Williams) let in the feds??!


9 posted on 12/10/2012 1:56:33 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: blueunicorn6

Obama and his drug czar will always appreciate support from “conservatives.”


10 posted on 12/10/2012 1:58:36 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: GeronL

Why?


11 posted on 12/10/2012 1:59:09 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Borax Queen

Medical marijuana may be illegal at the Federal level, but THC pills can be prescribed by a doctor.


12 posted on 12/10/2012 1:59:22 PM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: Gay State Conservative

Let me tell you how insane the WOD really is:

I broke my back several years ago. I have had a massive spinal surgery to correct the damage. I am in intense amounts of pain. Pain that is obvious on any MRI, x-ray or CT scan. There is no doubt of this in any medical expert’s eyes.

We recently moved from the state of Texas. I found out, right before we moved, that my family had been at risk of prison many times over.

See, the possession of so many Vicodin is a federal offense in the state of Texas. (Don’t ask me how it’s a ‘federal offense’ in Texas, but not in Arizona. That’s just the way it is.) Every time my husband picked up my prescription, he was breaking the law by transporting it back to our home. Until I was two weeks into my prescription, our home was a site of criminal activity. We had no idea. I’m not a drug abuser, I’m a woman with a broken back. I don’t take more than I’m prescribed and I suffer between doses. If anything, I’m *under* medicated.

My doctors were breaking the law by prescribing me so many Vicodin. I had hell just trying to find a new doctor after my old one left medicine.

Now that I’m in AZ, under the care of the military system, I just found out that they’re not authorized to prescribe anything stronger than Vicodin at low doses. When I was passing kidney stones, I had to go to the civilians for pain relief.

You know the adage, “It’s better a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be imprisoned”? Well, it’s better that a 1000 stoners get high than one suffering person be denied relief.

I am very bitter that Roe v Wade applies only to a woman killing her unborn child, but not to the dr/patient confidentiality when it comes to pain.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 2:10:21 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: blueunicorn6
Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardice,

Right ... so let's repeal the laws that make them illegal. Problem solved.

14 posted on 12/10/2012 2:11:04 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: blueunicorn6

How ‘bout taking drugs to escape bone-shattering pain?? Is that ‘cowardly’ to you??


15 posted on 12/10/2012 2:12:42 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie
Let me tell you how insane the WOD really is:

Don't even bother.I worked for 20 years in the ER of a large hospital located in a major city.I know what drugs are all about.I've seen the devastation more times than I care to recall.Sounds like you need a better doctor.

16 posted on 12/10/2012 2:15:48 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
You remind me of Chuckie Schumer or Dianne Feinstein arguing for gun control.

Jus' sayin' ...

17 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

There are instances where it could be beneficial medically and in those cases, MS, CA, chronic pain I would say it should be allowed with strict regulations.

But the tide is turning and it will be legal soon enough. I think there will be problems with that.Its kind of similar to alcohol..Prohibition had serious problems and we still have problems when it is legal.

Having said all that, its really all political and there’s a lot ofmoney in drugs, whether you keep them ‘illegal” or turn them “legal”..and its not just the cartels...just like during prohibition ( politicians, local cops).


18 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:58 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Marie

I’m sorry, Marie, that is horrible.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 2:20:57 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: grundle

Funny how most major cancer and other organizations are against legalizing medical marijuana and have dismissed the so called “miracle” aspects of the drug as nothing.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 2:32:21 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

No, what she needs is for do-gooders to stop hurting the innocent while “saving” evil people from themselves.

Every person who took dope that ended up in your hospital put themselves there. Marie does not deserve to suffer in pain because junkies can’t control themselves.

My wife is a personal trainer. She has seen first hand what a sedentary lifestyle coupled with poor eating habits does to people.

The differences between my wife’s scenario and yours are: 1. More people suffer and die from being sedentary and eating crap than from dope, 2. poor diet and lack of exercise costs us far more in healthcare costs than illegal dope and 3. my wife hasn’t made herself such a do-gooder that she’ll send you to prison for eating McDonalds . . . and there is no medical reason to eat McDonalds.

As Hank Williams said, “Mind your own business and you won’t be minding mine.”


21 posted on 12/10/2012 2:35:44 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cizinec
Marie does not deserve to suffer in pain because junkies can’t control themselves.

Like I said...it sounds like "Marie" needs a better doctor.

22 posted on 12/10/2012 2:40:54 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: cizinec

You hit on something there. With pain medicine, I can function. I do my physical therapy. I can MOVE. I can control my diet.

Without pain medication, I’m sitting my chair, in agony. I’m punished for every attempt to get better. I’m eating carbs to feed the stress reaction and sleep deprivation.

Sometimes I feel like I’m being punished for being a WOD nazi. I was the anti-drug queen.

Then reality hit and I realized that I didn’t know what the hell I’d been preaching about. I’d thought that I knew what pain was.

I didn’t.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 2:42:25 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Like I said...it sounds like “Marie” needs a better doctor.”

Please, explain to me how a ‘better doctor’ could help me. Seriously, I’m all ears.

While you’re at it, you can explain to me how a ‘better doctor’ could’ve helped my grandfather stop screaming for six straight weeks as he slowly died in agony from pancreatic cancer.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 2:45:38 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: grundle

Obama opposes medical marijuana and legalized marijuana for one reason, and one reason only. Like Bill Clinton, he gets a kickback from the Mexican drug cartels, and legalization hurts their business.

In other words, he only disapproves of legal drugs. He loves illegal drugs, just like he loves illegal immigrants, because he profits by them. And, of course, the feds can still arrest an occasional illegal drug user if they feel in the mood to do so. Just as long as it’s not a cartel member!


25 posted on 12/10/2012 2:48:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grundle

“...people with AIDS, cancer, multiple sclerosis, glaucoma, and other illnesses, who have prescriptions for medical marijuana...”

I read a study that said that 3% of people with a cronic illness use medical majijuana and 92% take prescribed pharmaceuticals.
Why is it then that within a 4 block radius of my house (North Hollywood CA) there are 12 “dispensaries” yet only 1 drug store?


26 posted on 12/10/2012 2:49:05 PM PST by Gettin Betta
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To: Gay State Conservative
I know someone who worked in the ER for years too and would tell me about all sorts of motorcycle accident cases.

Should we take anything and everything possible that has self-destructive applications out of the hands of everyone? Should we enforce a federal curfew?

I know. How about we let everyone take responsibility for themselves and leave them to their own vices? Gee, what a concept.

I hope you realize that supporting the WOD gives the government more and more ammunition to enact stricter gun laws? Sounds to me like you could care less though since this is your pet do-gooder project.
27 posted on 12/10/2012 2:54:35 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: grundle
0bama 'promised' not to prosecute medical marijuana users and providers.

Zer0 is what an 0bama promise is worth.

28 posted on 12/10/2012 2:54:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Marie

I am extremely sorry.

I’ve never even tried illegal dope. I’m just not interested. The ban has seen an erosion of our rights to the point where the police can take and sell our personal property with no evidence. We spend billions to keep the stuff off our streets. Criminals are making billions anyway and no one has limited access to the stuff. To make matters worse, more devastating drugs have been invented so that they can be fabricated without crossing borders. I don’t want ANYONE to use this crap, but I can’t stop someone from doing it to themselves. God gave us free will. That is a reality.

God bless you and I pray for a way for you to cope with your pain.


29 posted on 12/10/2012 2:59:37 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: blueunicorn6
Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardice, and we don’t need more cowards in this country.

Last time I checked, being a coward isn't a jailable offense. If that's the only objection to marijuana, it certainly shouldn't be illegal.
30 posted on 12/10/2012 3:01:25 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: cizinec

Now wait a minute. I’ve never tried illegal “dope” either.

I was the ANTI-DRUG NAZI QUEEN of all time for decades.

I take my PRESCRIBED medications in the PRESCRIBED dosages at the PRESCRIBED times. Even if I’m in agony, I don’t cheat and take a pill early.

NEVER.

As the drug nazi queen, I always thought that this was for the ‘other’. The ‘druggies’. People who said, “my back hurts” and have no physical tests to prove otherwise.

I have found that the WOD applies to people dying (and I mean literally DYING) of cancer, people with broken backs, people with MS... it DOESN’T matter. If you have a dozen doctors and a hundred tests confirming that YOU ARE IN PAIN, the WOD will prevent you from getting pain relief.

I have never taken pot. But I know that my grandfather’s doctor tried to give it to him when he was dying of pancreatic cancer. It would’ve made him more comfortable with chemo, helped with the nausea and lessened his pain.

People who’re healthy cannot possibly understand how much life can suck when you’re broken.

Why in hell are we so worried about saving druggies from themselves that we’re willing to slit the throats of people who’re genuinely suffering???

Let Darwin’s Law pick off the druggies and help those in need of pain relief.


31 posted on 12/10/2012 3:08:39 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

Just curious, why have you not tried marijuana to see if it offers you any relief for your pain? I don’t know that it would, but I know that after having torn both my quadriceps tendons five years apart, and once relying on vicodin and oxycodone and once relying mostly on marijuana, I had much more relief from the pain and fewer side effects with the marijuana. It was also much easier to stop using when the pain was no longer there.


32 posted on 12/10/2012 3:22:22 PM PST by arbitrary.squid
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To: arbitrary.squid

Nope. Never tried it.

And I don’t dare.

See, as a ‘pain patient’ I am treated as a criminal. I have to take a urinalysis every month and prove that I’m not a drug abuser. My levels can’t be too high or have THC in them or I’m an abuser. If my levels are too low, then I’m obviously selling my pills for money and I’m a dealer.

I take exactly what I’m prescribed on the dot.

What makes me sick is that I see 80 year old ladies with crippling arthritis and spinal issues treated the same way in the waiting room.

This is what happens when the government thinks they know what’s best for all of us.


33 posted on 12/10/2012 3:27:13 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: arbitrary.squid

You know what else makes me angry?

Every time this subject comes up on FR, the anti-drug nazis come out of the closet.

As soon as *I* pipe up with my personal situation, they shut up. The argument goes away.

They NEVER admit they’re wrong and the same people pop up on the next WOD thread, but they back down on THIS thread.

In every aspect of right-wing thought, we allow failures. (Don’t save the person who’s made bad personal life-choices.) But not drug addicts.

For some reason, THOSE people should be protected by the power of BIG government. Even if it means that people dying in agony suffer.

But try to regulate BACON, soda sizes or smoking...

Inconsistent JERKS.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 3:34:57 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

I had no idea you would be subjected to urinalysis on such a constant basis just because you have chronic pain. I’m very sorry to hear that. I don’t know what I would do in your situation, outside of trying to find a doctor that was sympathetic to marijuana use.


35 posted on 12/10/2012 3:40:52 PM PST by arbitrary.squid
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To: Gay State Conservative

You are a friggin’ jerk. I’ve dealt with pompous Aholes like you during my bouts with chronic pain issues. You need a different career, something better qualified to your talents...perhaps shoveling stalls at a Thoroughbred Horse Ranch.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 3:54:46 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Marie

I am so sorry about your predicament, Marie. Living in constant pain has to be a hell on earth. It must zap any energy... both physical and mental from you. Don’t worry about the anti-drug freepers. Chances are they haven’t been in your shoes or seen someone die in agony. I’ve said this before (much to the dismay and shock of some), that I considered buying marijuana when my Mother was dying from pancreatic cancer. To see a once beautiful woman... unable to eat was heart breaking. I could literally check on her in the morning and by evening.. she as smaller, more frail and weak. A good eating day consisted of two gingersnap cookies and some water. Day in, day out. The only problem is that I didn’t have any idea in the world where to get it; however, I would have purchased it in a minute if it could have helped her.

Prayers for you and relief of your pain. You are a good person and I admire that you are able to educate us of your condition and post when you can. Hugs, Mom


37 posted on 12/10/2012 3:59:31 PM PST by momtothree
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To: bigfootbob
Sounds like you,too,need a better doctor.
38 posted on 12/10/2012 4:01:00 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: grundle

The first paragraph of this addle brained Libertarian’s article shows just how ignorant he is. He’s just as culpable for Zero being in office as the people he scolds in the second paragraph. He needs to look closer at a mirror and understand how voting works.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 4:01:40 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: randomhero97

Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardly. People who take illegal drugs to escape reality are cowards.


41 posted on 12/10/2012 4:07:21 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Taking illegal drugs to escape from reality is cowardly. People who take illegal drugs to escape reality are cowards. Show me one culture where cowardice is valued.


42 posted on 12/10/2012 4:09:18 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Marie

Nope. Taking illegal drugs to escape reality is cowardly. People who take illegal drugs to escape reality are cowards. Show me a single culture that honors cowardice. I have had morphine. Marijuana would not be a substitute.


43 posted on 12/10/2012 4:12:13 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: momtothree

I’m so sorry about your mom.

I understand completely. You jump off your high horse with a quickness when someone you love is is pain.

Both of my children made contacts in highschool to help me out. I made them both back off and they were very upset with me. They just wanted to help and I wouldn’t let them risk their future so that I could have a few hours of relief.

Trust me, your mom is alright with your intentions.

I think that, for me, the worst part is being nothing more than a lump in the lives of the people I love. My pain has to come first in everything. I can’t be depended on. I can’t be counted on. I can’t even trust myself to carry through with the most basic things.

What pisses me off is what happens when I *DO* get pain relief. Suddenly I can clean. I can get off the couch. I can laugh and enjoy my family and function like a normal human being.

And then I see where my life COULD be if I had help. Not a half-life lived, but a whole woman with everything to give her family.

Modern medicine can’t FIX me. I’m unfixable. I’m broken.

But it could give me a quality of life if the LAW would just allow it.


44 posted on 12/10/2012 4:12:57 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: bigfootbob
Just reported your post as abusive.Let's see what happens...maybe you'll be banned.And BTW,do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
45 posted on 12/10/2012 4:15:33 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The law's the law.It matters not what various states may legislate.

I find your statement funny......because I don't see anywhere in the Constitution of these United States where the .fedgov has the authority to make any type of narcotic legal or illegal.

I see where they can raise an Army, I see where they can coin money, I see where they can regulate interstate commerce.......but I'm still not seeing where the authority to make marijuana illegal is enumerated. I looked for the Amendment making marijuana illegal, but couldn't find it. Which one was it again?

I do see under the 10th Amendment where such matters are left to the states.

Montana also has a law on the books (recently passed) that basically states any firearm, or firearm accessory manufactured in the state of Montana that remains in the state of Montana is not interstate commerce and therefore is not subject to federal firearms laws and .fedgov can stick it up where the sun never shines.

Nahhhhh, who am I kidding? We don't need those pesky Bill of Rights anyway. /s

46 posted on 12/10/2012 4:18:55 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: blueunicorn6

Alright. I agree with you.

People who take illegal drugs to escape reality are cowards.

And where in the Constitution does it give the government the right to keep people from behaving cowardly?

Where in the Constitution does it give the government the right to protect a person from their own cowardice?

People who abuse alcohol to escape reality are cowards....

How is the government obliged to protect them from themselves?


47 posted on 12/10/2012 4:19:00 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Repeat Offender
I find your statement funny......because I don't see anywhere in the Constitution of these United States where the .fedgov has the authority to make any type of narcotic legal or illegal.

Then someone should take that issue to the courts.Who knows what might happen!

48 posted on 12/10/2012 4:26:40 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Anyone who uses illegal drugs to escape reality is a coward. Show me one culture that values cowardice.


49 posted on 12/10/2012 4:31:36 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Why do you keep stressing ‘to escape reality’...?

You never once address chronic pain.

You never once address where it’s the government’s responsibility to keep people from being ‘cowards’.


50 posted on 12/10/2012 4:35:19 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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