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We need to Petition for Armed Responsible Adults in Schools, as Israel did to stop school shootings
Gun Watch ^ | 15 December, 2012 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/15/2012 1:55:57 AM PST by marktwain

We need to petition the White House to promote Armed adults to protect Children in the schools, as Israel did to stop their school shootings.

We need to circumvent the old media's calling for the failed gun control policies of the past. They did not work. They will not work, and they do destroy liberty.

Armed adults stop crime. Disarmed victim zones facilitate it. Creating more disarmed victims will not stop future crimes.

I am not sure that a petition to the White House web page is the way to do this, but the left has already gathered 100,000 signatures calling for more failed policies to destroy American liberties.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: armedteachers; banglist; guncontrol; petition; publiceducation; publicschools; savethechildren; schools; secondamendment
The left is mobilizing to use the tragic crime in Connecticut to disarm Americans. It will have no effect on school shootings. The effective solution would be to encourage armed responsible adults to be able to protect children. We need to promote an alternative, effective solution that builds on America's strengths of self reliance, responsibility, and liberty.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 1:56:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

What’s the point? There is no way our president will ever consider it. He wants the law abiding citizens unarmed.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 2:35:32 AM PST by she geek
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To: marktwain
Make it so!

Anyone who has ever filled out a form 4473 should sign it, if for no other reason than to save their dog's life in the future.

3 posted on 12/15/2012 2:36:29 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: she geek

Imagine millions of people saying “No!” (and they’re armed).


4 posted on 12/15/2012 2:37:41 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: marktwain
They need to think again about lock downs and/or school construction.

Think about 9-11. If they had doors that prevented the terrorists from entering the pilots pit, things might have been different. (Look up which lobbyist kept this from happening prior to 9-11).

Maybe we need steel doors halfway down long school corridors that can be closed from a "watch location".

Maybe we need hallway cameras??

Maybe we need to think about dispersing the kids OUT of the buildings instead of making them sitting ducks.

But most of all....we need a place that people can call to report erratic behavior of an individual. I know....They can't do anything BEFORE something happens...or if it's domestic...

5 posted on 12/15/2012 2:44:11 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I’ve thought about this ever since yesterday. Obviously, more restrictive laws would have zero effect on what this deranged monster did. The ONLY thing that stops an active shooter is another person with superior force. That means “A man (or woman) with a gun.” Period. I don’t care if it’s a police officer or a trained non-LEO. The only hope of stopping tragedies like this is to allow armed citizens or cops inside our schools.

TC


6 posted on 12/15/2012 2:56:27 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: marktwain

...”The left is mobilizing to use the tragic crime in Connecticut to disarm Americans. It will have no effect on school shootings. The effective solution would be to encourage armed responsible adults to be able to protect children. We need to promote an alternative, effective solution that builds on America’s strengths of self reliance, responsibility, and liberty”...

I would bet we have many adults out here who have concealed carry permits who would be willing to take a security guard job at their local school.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 3:01:19 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

...”I’ve thought about this ever since yesterday. Obviously, more restrictive laws would have zero effect on what this deranged monster did. The ONLY thing that stops an active shooter is another person with superior force. That means “A man (or woman) with a gun.” Period. I don’t care if it’s a police officer or a trained non-LEO. The only hope of stopping tragedies like this is to allow armed citizens or cops inside our schools”...

YES!


8 posted on 12/15/2012 3:04:16 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: marktwain
Make it voluntary give the school staff incentives to train and carry arms.

We would have responsible people in every school that would be willing to defend their school.

Instead of letting their students and other staff get slaughtered.

9 posted on 12/15/2012 3:11:07 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: marktwain
If we really want to protect the children, we need to make sure we keep the statists and their rules, regulations, policies and laws as far away from the children as possible at all times.

The problems we have in America are primarily from the agenda successes of the statists and those who have believed in and embraced their agenda.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 3:15:40 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: marktwain

CT has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. This incident should show that such laws are failures, but instead, the Left uses this crisis to push an agenda of more gun laws that will fail.

Every school ought to have armed guards. Do we value our banks more than our children’s schools?


11 posted on 12/15/2012 3:16:42 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: marktwain; All

Yes....it will be much more beneficial to have trained, armed personnel in our schools...ready for such threats. This is much better than the Gun Grabbing Hysteria from the Gun Control Fascists.

As FReeper psycho_bunny so succinctly pointed out yesterday: “This is the gun-contollers ‘Reichstag Fire’”


12 posted on 12/15/2012 3:20:40 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: marktwain

>>Creating more disarmed victims will not stop future crimes.>>

That says it all.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 3:35:26 AM PST by kitkat
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To: SeminoleCounty
From Daniel Greenfield the day before the Sandy Hook elementary massacre - Gun Control, People Control and Thought Control
14 posted on 12/15/2012 3:37:56 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: marktwain
I posted this in another thread; it needs to be here too:

A proven, practical approach to school security.

15 posted on 12/15/2012 3:41:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain

SCHOOL LOCKDOWNS ONLY INCREASE THE BODY COUNT!!!!

School lockdowns make sense if a threat exists outside the building and you have the means to actually “secure” entry. Any first-floor glass doors and windows equal failure.

However, once the threat is inside the building, a lockdown merely creates a barrel of fish waiting to be shot.

Lockdowns create high body-counts.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 4:10:29 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Perseverando

If parents really want to protect their children, don’t send them to government buildings where no one is allowed to be armed to protect them.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 4:11:57 AM PST by Old_Grouch (65 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: she geek

Also, in Israel, school teachers see Islam as a threat. In America, school teachers tend to be liberal.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 4:17:15 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: marktwain

Any place that posts a “no guns” sign, albeit a bank, school, store) is giving an open invitation for a criminal to enter and commit a crime. Our kids are sitting ducks in schools. We need someone on the campus who is armed. An armed society is a polite society.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 4:28:21 AM PST by growingpains
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To: marktwain; reegs
From 'reegs' thread last night- should be consistently posted:


20 posted on 12/15/2012 4:42:14 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: she geek

“What’s the point? There is no way our president will ever consider it. He wants the law abiding citizens unarmed.

Well turn in your gun, and spare us your defeatist whining.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 4:47:38 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: marktwain

Beslan is a prime example of the nonsense knee jerk reaction of liberals with munchausen political syndrome by proxy.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 4:48:37 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: libertarian27

We do need reasonable self defense laws. WE KNOW criminals come. This is a fact, we know it. Anyone for gun control at this time is criminally complicit in a lie, and they thus will insist on furthering this lie so as to avoid charges.

They knew the NFL murderer was a psycho and his girl was without defense, yet chose to cover it up, ESPN and their NFL ilk, Penn State scandal style. Then they furthered the cover up by blaming the gun.

Beslan is also a good example of state violence manipulation.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 4:51:46 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: All
Every school ought to have armed guards. Do we value our banks more than our children’s schools?

That is indeed the question. How do we value our children?

Not only do we willingly send our children into state run indoctrination centers we now accept that they need armed guards. WTH is wrong with this nation?

24 posted on 12/15/2012 5:00:03 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: marktwain

25 posted on 12/15/2012 5:04:00 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marktwain

As a conservative educator serving (time) in the public school system, I cringe when I think of some of the teachers I work with trying to defend their students in a violent situation like the one yesterday. They are more likely to try to reason with a shooter, than to recognize the situation for what it is. Heck, half of them will be inclined to join the anti-gun crowd in protests around the country this weekend.

“Mr. Twain,” you’ll appreciate this one...

Yesterday, I was discussing with one class the “active shooter” procedures for our school...we basically lock the door, turn out the lights and pretend we’re not there until help arrives. After my students’ laughter died down, I became stone-faced and explained to them that THAT WAS the procedure. Nothing else.

I went on to explain what I have programmed myself to do...(keep in mind, that, currently, this is all that is available for me to do)...I will be the first person behind the locked door. Whoever barges in will receive whatever blows I may rain down on his/her head with my trusty 3-hole punch. My students continue to laugh, thinking very little of my “strategy,” just as most readers of this post are laughing, I assume. I again look at them stone-faced and ask them, “what are you prepared to do, should I fall? Do you think some shooter is going to stop shooting having taken me out? Who will grab the 3-hole punch if/when I fall?” At this point, there is no more laughter.

What would happen if this counter-argument to the lunatic-left disarm America meme were to be presented? What would the average American parent think, should they consider the scenario that I just explained...the ridiculous prospects for survival, the notion that their child might have to defend themselves bare-handed against an armed intruder?


26 posted on 12/15/2012 5:04:25 AM PST by MarDav
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To: MarDav

“What would happen if this counter-argument to the lunatic-left disarm America meme were to be presented? What would the average American parent think, should they consider the scenario that I just explained...the ridiculous prospects for survival, the notion that their child might have to defend themselves bare-handed against an armed intruder?”

It seems the average American parents just don’t get it... but I appreciate your thoughts and frankness with your students.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 5:10:37 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Rightly Biased

It was a class of Juniors. I doubt I’d be talking like that to middle-schoolers/elementary-aged students.

The point is, every public school child is basically protected by a thin layer of...nothing, when it comes to these nightmare scenarios. And that ought to be unacceptable. In light of yesterday’s events I was wanting a “peace-maker” on my belt, and all that was there was a belt loop.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 5:20:44 AM PST by MarDav
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To: marktwain

Absolutely, totally correct. Responsible CHL carry by administrators and teachers in school will become a necessity.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 5:24:29 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: marktwain

Needless to say guns aren’t the problem, insanity is....

In China earlier this week a crazed man stabbed and injured over 20 children with a knife when he entered a school.

In my own town 22 years ago five people were murdered in one home with a ballpean hammer.

You can’t ban insanity so it makes a heck of a lot of sense for all the sane people to be armed against the crazy ones.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 5:26:29 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: marktwain

I’m for it - insist a percentage of teachers/staff get trained and be armed and even give them a pay incentive.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 5:27:14 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
“Yes....it will be much more beneficial to have trained, armed personnel in our schools...ready for such threats.”

I’m strictly pro firearms and pro self defense. Having said that, I don’t believe I want to allow the hysteria to create another leap to action either way. We’ve all seen they typical government response to tragedy. Create another government bureaucracy, this time with armed government union workers and impose prison like security? No thanks.
Arming most of the liberal teachers? I don’t think so.
Yesterdays shooting spree may or may not have been shortened if ten police officers had been present.
Remember the LA bank shootout?
Nothing is going to stop a person willing to trade his life for his moment of notoriety.
The solution is not going to be found in government armed guards or well meaning civilians. I’m afraid that the only solution is beyond comprehension: Changing society.

32 posted on 12/15/2012 5:43:02 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: marktwain

many employees already are permitted and armed. the only thing you need to do is allow them to cary concealed...and post it.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 6:11:41 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Nextrush

In an hilarious facebook comment, the actress Mia Farrow actually commented that this Chinese incident was a good thing! She wrote: look, only wounded, no one dead!


34 posted on 12/15/2012 6:28:54 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: marktwain

+1 PING!!


35 posted on 12/15/2012 6:54:26 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: marktwain

I would volunteer for the job. I am a retired military officer, a former school teacher, a mother and a grandmother, and I know how to use a weapon.

Let us fierce “mamma bears” or “steel magnolias” guard our little ones! We might have huge hearts and soft arms for hugging, but we can be as fierce as necessary to protect our loved ones and those little ones in our charge.

The ancients had a reason for portraying their Furies as females!


36 posted on 12/15/2012 7:06:43 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: MarDav

I know the HS my daughter attends isn’t at all safe and there are way too many entrances into the buildings... it was built in the 60’s and set up “wing style” with a 100—500 wings that are all seperate buildings with class rooms in them and each of those buildings has a minimum of 4 entrances..

I was doing some contract work for her school and I could drive up and enter the wings as I wished and NO ONE ever asked me who I was.. EVER... I was just going about my business taking care of getting fiber into the IT room but still I was in and out of every wing and all the doors were open...

This is just one school of thousands in Texas.

We are completely unprepared for this. The School employees are the best defense for our children that attend public schools. Arm them I say and train them. We trust them to mold young minds but not carry a weapon?

Geeze I hate Liberal logic.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 7:20:17 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Rightly Biased

“The School employees are the best defense for our children that attend public schools. Arm them I say and train them. We trust them to mold young minds but not carry a weapon?”

So....do you think we can get this up and running by, say, Monday? I have students coming in for exams...


38 posted on 12/15/2012 8:10:47 AM PST by MarDav
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To: FreedomPoster

Agree even the Swiss have guns in public.If one wants to keep things in check have the power to do so at all times.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 9:41:54 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: marktwain
Some resources on school threats for consideration. (There’s some old news here, but evil, terrorism and massacres never go out of style.)

Terrorists – coming to a school near you
Police ill-equipped to defend against an American Beslan
WND
Published: 04/02/2007 at 1:00 AM

Note: Killology Research Group website does not seem to still be actively updated.

Mass Slaughter In Our Schools: The Terrorists' Chilling Plan?
By Chuck Remsberg
Senior PoliceOne Contributor

School Safety Notes and Articles About School Safety by Col. Grossman
Preventing School Violence
School Shooting Contingency Plans & Considerations
”Preparing for School Attacks" published in The Police Marksman

School Safety Notes, Articles, And Links About School Safety by Other Authors
Rise in 'shool terror attacks' - New Important Article
A School Lockdown/Emergency Drill Success Story
Rapid Response/Active Shooter Lesson Plan
Safe 2 Tell

40 posted on 12/15/2012 11:00:58 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control. It's about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: MarDav

oh If only we ran things

so I say you need to practice with your 3 hole punch until we can.

I hate to try at humor during these times but you know what I mean...


41 posted on 12/15/2012 1:12:00 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Sacajaweau

I read yesterday that the young man had come to the school the day before, and caused an altercation. Seems to me the Principal should at least have asked the police to be on site for a day or two, just in case the man returned. Monday morning quarterbacking, I know, but it may be useful info for other schools or institutions who might have a similar situation.


42 posted on 12/17/2012 5:59:03 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Nextrush

I say ban high capacity gun-free zones.


43 posted on 12/17/2012 3:07:18 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
"The ONLY thing that stops an active shooter is another person with superior force."

I heard an account of the principal of the school and how she literally threw herself at the gunman trying to stop him. Tragically, he shot her dead, along with the others.

She quickly sensed that the Lanza was dangerous .
What would have happened if she had the training, and tool, (a gun),
to deal with the situation?
She obviously was not lacking in courage. Very sad.

44 posted on 12/17/2012 3:36:48 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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