Skip to comments.There may be far more to Sandy Hook incidents than guns
Posted on 12/16/2012 10:10:45 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
As Democrats and Progressives use this enormous tragedy as the tag necessary to push for nationwide gun control, permit me, a 30 year teacher of young adult males, to offer my reasons as to why this breakdown in our society is happening.
First of all, was Adam Lanza on any type of mind altering drugs in recent months or from his early childhood? Teachers of young males often encourage parents to put their young children on hyper activity medication just to make the classroom atmosphere easier to control. One of my students, a middle age mom, asked me if she should put her son on Ritalin? She was getting pressure from his school to do something about his...
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Did this young man have a positive man in his life? Almost certainly not.
Was he on psychotropic drugs? Almost certainly yes.
Will the education, medical, entertainment or governmental establishments admit they have any culpability beyond controlling firearms? Absolutely not.
We will see countless more horrors committed by severely damaged young men, white and black.
Progressivism is code for corruption, criminality and tyranny. It is time to bring their house down.
If you go back prior to the 1980s...the amount of sugar in a kid’s diet would be ten percent of what a kid consumes today.
I believe it’s a conscious and ongoing effort to neuter any kind of alpha male behavior. 30 years ago boys acting up would simply be that...boys being boys. Now, however - there’s a wide range of vaguely described “disorders” that lucky for us, can be treated with meds.
An added benefit for the Left is, every kid that gets put on lifetime maintenance meds for these disorders, is one less eligible for future military service.
Conspiracy? Could be I’m just crazy like that. :)
I am an old guy, remember the 60s clearly....the following surely defines the moment....
The debasement of white American males in progress for at least the past 20 years sees fathers pass along much disappointment to their young sons. And these Dads often are not under the same roof anymore. Weve removed the male Rites of Passage rituals from the lives of our young sons
I grew up a liberal Democrat in a union household. I even argued for gun control at one time in my life. No more.
Our Democrat-controlled federal government used American tanks against American civilians at Waco, Texas. There were Active Duty military at Waco”advising” the FBI. Over 70 civilians died at Waco. This was a Democrat-controlled operation that was carefully planned, coordinated and executed. This wasn’t some crazy walking into a school. These civilians weren’t conducting guerilla raids on the locals. But the Democrat-controlled government sent American tanks in on them. And we couldn’t even fire Janet Reno because she’s a female Democrat.
Nope. History is too full of those bright progressives thinking, “This would be so much easier if I could just force people to follow my feelings.” they’re way more dangerous than any handgun.
I thought the Bushmaster .223 was found in the mother’s car. How did Adam manage to return it to the car?
I took that program to an old parish priest, the kind of man whose common sense made him someone I just had to talk to. I showed him the very worst pages of the program. He read through it and put his hand on his forehead, sighed deeply and said: "You know you could have five kids go through this and four of them might end up with a few quirks, but that fifth one?" He then just shook his head.
My point is this - there have been programs just like the one I studied in place all over this country since the 80s. It was only a matter of time when those "fifth children" begin to commit acts of mass murder. Add anti-depressants and you have a recipe for disaster.
What I noticed in 1984 was that these programs were carefully constructed so that no one, not the teacher, the student, nor the parent would have any idea that anything was happening to the student. We were successful at getting the program we studied thrown out. However, we had no way of convincing others as to the danger these kind of "character" programs posed.
You’ll find many on this site who will disagree with you about Waco. I’m not one of them. Sending federal agents to Ft. Hood to learn how to operate a tank is the same as using the military in the assualt as far as I’m concerned. I also point out those agents were trained for several weeks. The assault was in the works for at least as long.
And how did this all start? The feds said they had “evidence” the Branch Davidians had illegal weapons. None of those “illegal” weapons were ever produced. Waco wsa on big SWAT team sent in under false pretenses. The real reason is the feds wanted ALL of the guns. Now they’ll use the school slaughter as a reason to go after yours and mine.
The father was there until the kid was 17 yrs. old, so he had a father influence.
I can tell you exactly why it is happening. First, leftists have eschewed religion and prayer from the schools and have initiated a war against Christianity. When our schools included these topics, there was significantly less violence in the schools, primarily demonstrated by fist fights by overly hormoned males trying to impress a girl.
Second, neither the schools nor the parents teach personal responsibility or respecting others. This is one of the reasons that bullying has become a national epidemic. Again, these are things that religion and prayer teach.
Third, most of the kids are bored and frustrated with the school system. They know that they are being screwed by a school system that fails to teach them the tools and skills they will need to guide them through the rest of their lives. As a result of their frustration, they act out and often resort to violence as a means of venting their frustration and rage.
The fact is that for all the nonsense that has been introduced into the school system, kids today intrinsically recognize that they are being short-changed by their education. Back when I was in school (shortly after the invention of the wheel) there were an average of 33 - 35 kids to one teacher. No teacher's aids, no helpers; just 1 teacher and 35 kids. We learned more and were demonstrably more prepared to enter the world outside of school when we graduated.
The left and its unions have turned the public school system into a jobs pogram for other leftists who don't want to work and especially don't want to teach. It is NOT a coincidence that, across America, the college of education at most universities has the lowest entry and graduation requirements.
“I thought the Bushmaster .223 was found in the mothers car.”
That info. was wrong. All three guns were by the guy when he died. Medical exminer said all children were killed by that Bushmaster. He didn’t use the other two guns.
With scores of federal/state/local agencies working on ‘processing facts’, it’s amazing how the *facts* are so fungible.
First reported, they got 2 brothers mixed-up. Then, there were 2 handguns and a .223cal rifle; next, a report surfaced there were 4 semi-autos and a .223cal rifle. That report was scrubbed, and it was back to 2 pistols and a rifle. Then, the ME said all 26 were shot with ‘long gun’, but it was found in the car. Were there 2 rifles? Only one was registered to mother. Early reports also said his mother was KG teacher, and was shot w/ students in classroom. That was scrubbed and then she was reported shot a unrelated location. Now, she was never a teacher but had conflict w/ school. Report this morning said she was a “prepper” readying for apocalypse.
is anyone as confused and PO’d as I am, at the apparent incompetence here?
I teach 3rd grade and we are forbidden from even insinuating that a child might have a diagnosis of add/adhd. When parents ask me if I think that their child may have add/adhd, I always tell them that I am not a doctor, and it isn’t my place to try and make a diagnosis. Obviously, some kids are more rambunctious than others. As a teacher you just have to learn how to deal with it. My biggest problem with the education system is that administrators are way too quick to label any unkind look or word as bullying. When there is an actual case of bullying administrators want to punish victims who fight back with the same punishment as the bully. Instinctively kids can see that this is unfair, but many of them just hold it inside until they snap. I am only 36, but I remember being able to handle kids who were bullying me without fear of repercussions. The word “bullying” never entered my mind as a kid. I just recognized that some people are simply assholes.
BTW: “assault weapons” are illegal in CT.
Be sure to recount that with “wait, didn’t we already go thru this ‘ban’ nonsense?”
Anyone that ever shot a deer as a teenager knows exactly where you’re coming from.
What say we institute BRISTLE ZONES complete with signage...
‘CAUTION WACKED OUT WOULD-BE KILLER/MISCREANTS, YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A ‘BRISTLE ZONE’ WE BRISTLE WITH OFFENSIVE WEAPONRY AND WE’RE ITCHING TO USE THEM ALL ON YOU.... HAVE A NICE DAY....OR... NOT’
(I AGREE WE’D HAVE TO DUMB DOWN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE KNOT HEADS BUT YOU GET THE IDEA)
We used to have war to get this out of men’s systems. Now we have gangs and this crap. WA war worse?
“All three guns were by the guy when he died.
Medical Examiner, and neither hand gun was used. Each child shot from 3 to 11 times.
So is the rifle he used an assault rifle, a defensive rifle or what. People keep asking.
Go google “drunks with guns” pictures.
Semi-automatic rifle chambered in .223 caliber. Any scary looking rifle is an 'assault rifle' to the MSM.
Semi-automatic rifle chambered in .223 caliber. Any scary looking rifle is an ‘assault rifle’ to the MSM.
So is there an actual catagory called Assault Rifle?
Military rifles with select fire automatic capability.
'Assault weapons' is a political term invented by the left to demonize semi-auto rifles with high capacity mags.
Originally, an ‘assault rifle’ was one capable of automatic fire (multiple rounds fired with only one trigger pull) and had a multi-round magazine that could be removed so another could be installed quickly. Usually cheaply made and not designed to be especially accurate.
Who’s incompetence. How much of the information you are talking about came from the cops, at a press conference.
The media did not used to report rumors. Now they are so afraid of being second and don’t care about being correct.
That Andes plane crash cannibalism conundrum thing passed into the curriculum in some areas. I know, I caught the tail end of it.
I guess I was labeled antisocial but the manipulation of the entire exercise was just so blatant, particularly the “how would you choose which one of your friends would die so you could live” question.
I initially refused to answer, then made a mockery of it with feigned indecision. I couldn’t quite decide if the young, tender ones would be better to eat, or if the fat, well marbled ones would be better to eat.
Refuse the life value assessment, if you’re ever confronted with such a depraved set of questions.
The “assault weapon” is a term used to make folks feel afraid. The AWB is still in place up the road from Newtown in Mass. The same equipment could be legally purchased here. Get a couple of pre-ban magazines, and your local insane punk could shoot up the local mall just fine.
It is an empty argument.
You were pretty lucky in that you caught something that you instinctively knew was not right. Your parents must've had a great influence on you.
The program from which I speak was known as a "values clarification" class. It worked to tear the child away from his parents and his faith system only to substitute the teacher as the sole influence. The problem is that the child then gloms onto the teacher who leaves him the very next year. The child is then sent floating away from any mooring, so that when they become an adult and run into serious problems there is no one he can depend on or consult in.
It is essentially the perfect recipe for creating sociopaths.
I’m guessing 99% of it is coming from the media:
From the newsfilm clips I’ve seen so far, it looks like the CTSP is handling the press conferences and info releases. Yet, a lot of “unnamed anonymous police sources” are being quoted with differing stories. Is that coming from local LEO leaks? Or are the corrupt media making it up to meet deadlines and fill space?
Thanks. a link would be appreciated.
europe had a far worse masacre.
They also have stabbing sprees.
There is also the crisis of crazies in china who take butcher knives in classrooms kill.
I heard the medical examiner at a news conference, it was shown by both Fox and CNN when he gave that report. He had finished the autopsy on all the kids and adults.
Kartographer, you knew this was coming.
Communists need to demonize preppers. Anyone who has more than a week's food is a FOOD HOARDER who needs to GIVE HIS SUPPLIES TO THE GOVERNMENT.
It's like a freakin clock, these tyrannists are.
I trust your report on this datum. Thanks!
They’re throwing blame against a number of walls - NRA, preppers, CCW-CHL, firearms etc - and are seeing what sticks where. They seem to have more publicly-available “walls”, this time.
Sadly yes I saw this coming. I’ve posted and posted and yet still there are scoffers.
People need to wake-up and shake off their blankets of normalcy bias, because American hasn’t seen what’s coming since 1861. I am beginning to think ‘Bama’ doesn’t see himself so much as Messiah, but as the ‘NEW’ Lincoln with a destiny to become as revered and embedded in America as Lincoln himself is.
Our only hope is to make sure our state governments stand-up for their rights and hold fast against the tide of oppression that is going to come out of Washington. right now they need something and someone to blame for the fact that they have totally ‘hosed’ everything and the ‘preppers’, evangelical Christians, gun owners and Tea Party activist will be among the first to get squeezed.
Bad info from very early on in the media’s poor reporting.
You be the judge. Bushmaster AR-15?
Didn’t the Feds kill an innocent mother and child in Ruby Ridge over ONE shotgun sale the they had set up?
Yep. Gut check time is coming.
I was thinking this morning that I'm glad I'm in Texas. Sure, we have Democrats in this state, but most people in the state are gun owners, it's our history. Democrats here hunt deer and feral hogs and they know their guns. They may be liberal in other areas, but I don't think Democrats here want guns taken away.
Plus, any governor we would have and there's an election in 2004, would fight the federal government when it comes to our guns. I would bet every gubernatorial candidate will use the gun issue to assure voters their guns would be safe with him/her.
Some of our colleges are in the process of approving concealed carry on campus.
I saw a notice sent by Gov. Perry in the past few days, to schools, asking them to review their safety measures and to be diligent.
Does any one have any idea if he killed the entire class or not? Did anybody in that classroom survive?
Did you hear about the CCW trainer (same one who had the video ad that said "If you are a muslim or a democrat, do not apply for a CCW") is now running an ad to give teachers weapons training at a discount?
First, he killed the principal, the school psychologist and another woman and wounded another woman in the foot and leg.
Then, he went to the first room next to the front door and killed every child and the teacher.
Then, he went to the next room but the teacher had sealed the kids in a closet or bathroom. The teacher was still out in the open to protect those kids, keep him from getting to them, so he killed her. That's where he was when he heard the cops coming in and shot himself in the head with a hand gun.
“Did you hear about the CCW trainer (same one who had the video ad that said “If you are a muslim or a democrat, do not apply for a CCW”) is now running an ad to give teachers weapons training at a discount?”
That is the response I would expect from a Patriot who knows the score. Train teachers to kill these killers and save the children.
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