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Sandy Hook Shooting – Discrepancies (not conspiracies….. yet)
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | December 16, 2012 | Sundance

Posted on 12/16/2012 11:17:22 AM PST by Uncle Chip

The net is flooding with conspiracy theory about this shooting. Most of them are total bunk. However there are major issues with the initial, and evolved reports; and indeed something is not passing the sniff test for me either. One website has begun collecting a list of all the discrepancies (here).

We are going to thin it down to the pertinent ones; can you think of any to add to the list? Starting with…. why the pictures of a 20 year old shooter as a child? Where’s the recent pics?

1.) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan–who officials say is very cooperative–claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID?

2.) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

3.) Where did he get the bulletproof vest? Guns stolen from Mom – vest too? If so, why did she need one?

4.) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns. The police stated a rifle (long gun) was found in the trunk of his car. But now claim that’s the murder weapon?

4-b) What did he kill himself with? Kinda hard to use a .223 long gun.

5.) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms, near the front door and office. So why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building through other exits where nothing was even close?

5-b) Why were the kids in the Gym told to cover their eyes exiting the back of the building?

6.) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

7.) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

8.) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? Seen in overhead helicopter media reporting. He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: adamlanzafb; guncontrol; liborscandal; newtown; sandyhookconspiracy; sandyhookfather; sandyhookquestions; sandyhookshooting; sandyhookweapons; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 11:17:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

4b
it said he killed himself didnt say what with.
Kids were shot with the rifle


2 posted on 12/16/2012 11:20:04 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Uncle Chip

This is the problem with 24/7 cable news. They need ratings and need things like this to get ratings and have the public to tune into their network. A bunch of people are murdered in Connecticut and people in California have to take the day off to go see their shrink or a counselor. Get rid of the 24/7 cable news networks and the number of these bull**** incidents like Sandy Hook will automatically be reduced. JMO>


3 posted on 12/16/2012 11:24:30 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Fog or war” and the 24/7 media jumping the shark is the impetus for most of the discrepancies. The answers will come in time. The answers still may not make much sense or satisfy, but at least they’ll be based on facts and not supposition.

The reason we haven’t heard more from family, school people, and doctors (shrinks and others) affiliated with the killer is that they’ve been legally advised to keep mum so as not to put themselves in legal jeopardy.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 11:29:35 AM PST by randita
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To: Uncle Chip

“5-b) Why were the kids in the Gym told to cover their eyes exiting the back of the building? “

So they wouldn’t see the dead children. That which is seen cannot be unseen.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 11:32:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: randita

Stop talking sense. This is a conspiracy thread.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 11:34:50 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Chip

Let us add to this............Theater murderer Holme’s father as well as lanza’s father are high ranking financial people within big financial firms and are due to testify in the libor rate scandle 3 trillion dollars 12 banks involved internationally...coincidence????????????????????


7 posted on 12/16/2012 11:35:55 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Uncle Chip

1. Probably no big deal to have an old ID from his brother living in the same house? Why? Who knows, he was nuts.

2. Originally the story is he was wearing ‘tactical’ clothing, not a bullet proof vest. Even the ‘tactical’ claim has been pulled back already. (remember the Colorado shooter was reported to be wearing ‘body armor’ when in reality, it was just a cheap tactical vest.

3. See #2

4. Not sure where the source gets the report by the medical examiner and police as it hasn’t been released yet.

5. Duh, it was a scary situation and not knowing the path they had to take, who knows what they may have seen. Teachers were probably not wanting to risk the kids seeing one of their teachers shot and dead on the ground.

6. Fog of war. There are always confusing stories during the heat of the moment as the media tries to scoop each other. They take the first story they hear from someone and run with it without fact checking.

7. See #6

8. A guy was walking in the woods. Nothing unusual that the police would hold him until they determined his association or lack thereof.

Why does our side try to make a conspiracy out of everything? Sometimes a nut doing something awful is just a nut doing something awful.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 11:38:25 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Thank you. Sober clarity.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 11:40:39 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Uncle Chip

Why are liberals once again blaming guns as if banning guns will stop mass murder or even a single murder forever and ever?


10 posted on 12/16/2012 11:43:26 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: AppyPappy
So they wouldn’t see the dead children.

That doesn't make sense. Why would they have moved the dead children outside, before evacuating all the live children? To quote the original post, "5.) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms, near the front door and office. So why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building through other exits where nothing was even close?"

11 posted on 12/16/2012 11:46:10 AM PST by giotto
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To: giotto

They probably moved everyone who was shot to a triage area to determine if they were dead, dying, or just injured. Medics don’t make any assumptions that someone is dead until checked. Moving them out, though, doesn’t clean up the scene which I suspect was very, very messy. You don’t want children seeing that.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 11:48:40 AM PST by mnehring
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To: giotto

To keep from seeing the zombies . . . everyone knows this was a zombie attack, and a test run for the real thing. /s


13 posted on 12/16/2012 11:50:10 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Chip

The drive-by media accidentally do a little self-reflection after looking like idiots again:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/12/15/as-shooting-story-unfolds-media-struggle-with-facts/


14 posted on 12/16/2012 11:51:14 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ronnie raygun
Let us add to this............Theater murderer Holme’s father as well as lanza’s father are high ranking financial people within big financial firms and are due to testify in the libor rate scandle 3 trillion dollars 12 banks involved internationally...coincidence????????????????????

Discrediting them via their association w/ these "cold-blooded killers," who may have been framed?
That's fiendish, and sadly makes sense with a government that has no conscience and controls the media to such a frightening degree.

15 posted on 12/16/2012 11:52:22 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: giotto

at least one of the teachers, Miss Soto closed her children in a room; there was not room for her, so she faced the bullets head on.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 11:56:15 AM PST by merry10
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To: giotto

at least one of the teachers, Miss Soto closed her children in a room; there was not room for her, so she faced the bullets head on.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 11:56:18 AM PST by merry10
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To: giotto

at least one of the teachers, Miss Soto closed her children in a room; there was not room for her, so she faced the bullets head on.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 11:56:18 AM PST by merry10
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To: 1rudeboy

I was wondering about the guy in the woods too. When I googled it last night, several of the news pages that had reported it had already been scrubbed. Authorities have said nothing about him either way since he was seen being loaded into the back of a squad car.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 11:56:28 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: Uncle Chip

How about the police reporting they found the Bushmaster in the trunk of his car - there was video of the police taking it out of the car on tv.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 11:58:41 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: merry10
Reading what she did, I think this young lady had more guts than most guys I know. They don't make too many like her.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 11:58:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Uncle Chip; All

Good points

Sundance from TCTH has pretty much exposed the deception of the media and the Martin family “Scheme Team” in the George Zimmerman case...so he is not some “Conspiracy Theorist” as the pro-Government types like to label some people

These are all good questions. Esepcially why the repeated lies from the media during the entire coverage


22 posted on 12/16/2012 12:04:57 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Uncle Chip

As for number 1, he would have it for a fake ID for getting into bars. All you need is some basic information and you can get a replacement drivers license.

It’s not a big conspiracy. In fact, it’s the only thing that shows me he had flashes of being a normal 20 year old.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 12:06:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: giotto

Maybe they didn’t want the kids to see dozens of police in tactical gear...ambulances...wounded and bloody being taken out of the building. May e its a police protocol that is practiced. Do you honestly believe that there was something to hide and they relied on closed eyes to keep it a secret.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 12:08:47 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: rickomatic

Wondering about the guy in the woods is ok. Assuming he was up to no good is not.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 12:09:54 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: rickomatic

I walk my dog on a hill behind a school every day around 9:30. I wear a green British hunting jacket, mil boots and jeans. Sometimes, if its raining I have a camo gooney hat.

You think I would have been stopped at the same time with the same garb?


26 posted on 12/16/2012 12:10:13 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Do you have a RELIABLE source that either person is scheduled to testify re: LIBOR? Where were they going to testify?

I’ve read that Lanza’s father is a tax guy at GE - what could he possibly have to say about LIBOR?


27 posted on 12/16/2012 12:16:01 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Uncle Chip

My personal theory is that these people are being programmed to do this. Evidence: the Aurora, CO shootings. He SAID he was programmed to do it.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 12:16:16 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: mnehring

I agree. And I also agree with you on the why do we make everything a conspiracy theory comment.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 12:18:04 PM PST by merry10
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To: t1b8zs

I read somewhere that it was handguns only. One of those newfangled .223 full auto Glocks?


30 posted on 12/16/2012 12:22:57 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Uncle Chip

The main thing that concerns me is the guy in the woods. I haven’t read or heard anything about him since the initial reports. Where is he??


31 posted on 12/16/2012 12:26:19 PM PST by ALASKA (CHANGE'n it back !!!!!!!)
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To: Uncle Chip

The main thing that concerns me is the guy in the woods. I haven’t read or heard anything about him since the initial reports. Where is he??


32 posted on 12/16/2012 12:26:26 PM PST by ALASKA (CHANGE'n it back !!!!!!!)
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To: Uncle Chip

This list is worse than useless. Given that the initial reporting has been shown to be total bunk, what is the point of taking some highly questionable element, assuming it must be true, and raising some question relating to the shooting scenario? This is a complete waste of time and energy.

A better approach would be to try to sort the wheat from the chaff and assemble a list of facts that are demonstrably true. Right now it’s a pretty short list: 26 dead, 20 of them children. Most killings at Sandy Hook School. Guns involved. Everyone dead when police arrived on scene. Add additional facts as they can be verified.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 12:26:26 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Uncle Chip
The father, the aunt and the aunt’s husband last saw him in June. Wonder what prompted the family gathering? The aunt also says the last time she saw the mother, they talked about prepping and she knew the mother had 3 guns. The 3 guns fit with the initial police report of there being 2 hand guns in the school and a rifle in the car (never mind how the kids would have been shot with the rifle being in the car). So, did the mother buy the three other rifles (supposedly found at unknown locations) since June or what? IF, and that's a big IF, the father had anything to do with LIBOR and the Aurora theater shooting was in July, did the mother put two and two together and purchase more weapons and the vest? Or maybe is was simply that the guns were taken from the brother and father's residences.

If he was such a loner, how did he get a girlfriend and will she ever be interviewed?

What caused such a physical change from the emaciated looking skinny high school kid to the chunky 20 year old with tattoos? Psycho meds and steroids? The msm aired the video of the Columbine lunchroom but I doubt we'll ever see anything of this school's tapes.

34 posted on 12/16/2012 12:29:22 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Discepancies concerning the gun\s used.

Initial reports claim that he used 2 9mm pistols and had the Bushmaster .223 in his car trunk.

Later, they said he used the Bushmaster and had a Street Sweeper type of shotgun in the trunk.

Then, that they found 3 guns near his body


35 posted on 12/16/2012 12:29:48 PM PST by Paisan
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To: Uncle Chip
The father, the aunt and the aunt’s husband last saw him in June. Wonder what prompted the family gathering? The aunt also says the last time she saw the mother, they talked about prepping and she knew the mother had 3 guns. The 3 guns fit with the initial police report of there being 2 hand guns in the school and a rifle in the car (never mind how the kids would have been shot with the rifle being in the car). So, did the mother buy the three other rifles (supposedly found at unknown locations) since June or what?

If he was such a loner, how did he get a girlfriend and will she ever be interviewed?

What caused such a physical change from the emaciated looking skinny high school kid to the chunky 20 year old with tattoos?

36 posted on 12/16/2012 12:30:17 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I am having trouble not seeing this as F&F chapter 2.

They regime got busted trying to destroy the second amendment one way so they just seek out the mentally unstable and convince them this is the proper outlet for their energies.

I would like to be able to say that this is pure tin-foil lunacy but things are just not as black and white as they once were.


37 posted on 12/16/2012 12:31:05 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: lacrew; All

Maybe they didn’t want the kids to see dozens of police in tactical gear...ambulances...wounded and bloody being taken out of the building. May e its a police protocol that is practiced. Do you honestly believe that there was something to hide and they relied on closed eyes to keep it a secret


The carnage was in front of the building....the children were being evacuated out of the back. There would be no need to cover eyes if the area was clear enough to order an evacuation.

How are you supposed to evacuate when you cannot see?

My training in these situations never mentions to have evacuees “close their eyes”. The inherent dangers of doing this are much greater than the possible exposure to carnage

The media coverage has been abominable...and these questions should be answered. I am more concerned with the posters on here who willy-nilly believe everything the government and the mainstream media says. I sure do trust the comments of Sundance from TCTH more than some government sycophant


38 posted on 12/16/2012 12:32:58 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: bgill
What caused such a physical change from the emaciated looking skinny high school kid to the chunky 20 year old with tattoos?

Wanna bet he was medicated?

39 posted on 12/16/2012 12:34:39 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: giotto

You now know the dead children were near the front door. They didn’t know that.


40 posted on 12/16/2012 12:37:17 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: mnehring
4. Not sure where the source gets the report by the medical examiner and police as it hasn’t been released yet.

The source is straight from the ME himself who gave a presser yesterday.

41 posted on 12/16/2012 12:37:32 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Uncle Chip; a fool in paradise

At what point do the aliens come into the pitcher?


42 posted on 12/16/2012 12:39:47 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: bgill

Wow, that was a goofy post of my comment. Two posts showed up, formated differently and the first incomplete.


43 posted on 12/16/2012 12:40:33 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Clay Moore

> They regime got busted trying to destroy the second amendment one way so they just seek out the mentally unstable and convince them this is the proper outlet for their energies.

Quite possible. We’re dealing with a communist/Marxist/Islamist-led regime after all.


44 posted on 12/16/2012 12:43:27 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: PMAS

” there was video of the police taking it out of the car on tv.”

We need that video preserved.


45 posted on 12/16/2012 12:44:57 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

I tried to find it - it was on either CNN or Fox news


46 posted on 12/16/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: bgill
What caused such a physical change from the emaciated looking skinny high school kid to the chunky 20 year old with tattoos?

Is there a photo of him with tatoos and looking heavier? I missed it- do you have a link?

47 posted on 12/16/2012 1:01:23 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

At about 4:00 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j_fI0hm1dqY


48 posted on 12/16/2012 1:10:34 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: SeminoleCounty

Just looking at the Google map, it appears that no matter where one exited the building, eventually you would go around front to the road, to leave the area. Not sure why this is so astonishing. Heck, whenever I drive by a dead dog on the road, I distract the kids for similar reasons. It is very natural to have kids close their eyes. If you look at the photo that made most front pages, the kids in a line with closed eyes are on pavement...in front of the school. Sometimes there is no conspiracy and things are just as they seem.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 1:21:09 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: ALASKA

Probably back in the woods...
In this area, I am familiar with it ,there are homeless that hang in the woods near stores businesses and schools(good dumpsters).
May have been one of those types.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 1:23:17 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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