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4 Awful Reactions to Sandy Hook School Shooting - And Thoughts on a Better Response
Reason Magazine ^ | December 15, 2012 | Nick Gillespie

Posted on 12/16/2012 1:31:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Horrific events such as the mass shooting at Newtown, Connecticut's Sandy Hook Elementary School are terrible enough in showcasing the evil that men do.

But they also regularly bring out the worst in observers, commentators, and pundits who will never let a lack of knowledge or expertise stand in the way of making grand pronouncements.

Here's a short tour of four of the least-helpful reactions to an attack that slaughtered more than two dozen Americans - most of them kids 10 years and younger. They come courtesy of a former presidential candidate (Mike Huckabee), an international media mogul (Rupert Murdoch), an Oscar-winning filmmaker (Michael Moore), and a famous crusading journalist (Geraldo Rivera).

Following that is a discussion of the reality of gun violence in America and what might actually address some of the issues in play. (To read this article as a single page, click here.)

Next: God has left the building...

1. Mike Huckabee: "We have systematically removed God from our schools."

The former governor of Arkansas, Republican hopeful for president, and Fox News host says we've got no reason to be surprised when adult gunmen shoot up educational establishments.

"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; huckabee; michaelmoore; moralabsolutes; newtown; sandyhook
Comments?
1 posted on 12/16/2012 1:32:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No comment on this, but here is a link to a School Mass Murdering that was thwarted last Friday in Bartlesville, Ok. Connection? I don’t know, but with the online gaming socializing and befriending each other, this is a possibility. You do it, I’ll do it.

http://www.topix.com/city/bartlesville-ok


2 posted on 12/16/2012 1:39:10 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

IIRC, Topix not allowed here.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 1:40:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The point about school violence being in a long decline will be ignored by all.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 1:41:42 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ewww, didn’t know that. Will look for another link source.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 1:43:01 PM PST by annieokie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is Huckabee’s response “awful”? We have removed the Christian religion from the whole country,and see what a mess we’re in.

I couldn’t see the other responses because I could not click on anything.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 1:43:08 PM PST by MondoQueen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The US has a shade under 100,000 public schools, with roughly fifty million students. The average annual loss of children to violent school-associated homicide is around a couple dozen, nationwide. The einsteins are trying to perfect a system which is already safer than the childrens' own homes.

Time for the emos and demogogues in the media to grow up, and time for the a-holes in politics who want to exploit the rare mass killing to STFU and quit messing with people.

7 posted on 12/16/2012 1:44:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's my response.

We can talk about banning guns all day long but what are we going to do with all of the nuckin' futs running around out there?

8 posted on 12/16/2012 1:48:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: MondoQueen

I’m not Nick Gillespie.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 1:48:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: MondoQueen
Why is Huckabee’s response “awful”?

If I had to guess, I'd say that his response is "awful" in the opinion of atheists and Libertarians everywhere. They think Huckabee is totally off base.

But, in fact, he is making the most important point. Thsi nation needs to reconnect with God.

10 posted on 12/16/2012 1:51:00 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: annieokie

Another link source on Bartlesville:
http://newsok.com/


11 posted on 12/16/2012 1:55:35 PM PST by annieokie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for posting.

With reference to the author's comments about the so-called "gun control" proponents, one is reminded that times of crisis are times when would-be tyrants find opportunity.

Emotional rhetoric from national, state and local political leaders about one disturbed individual's act which destroyed the lives and liberties of these 20 young innocents remind us that many of these leaders' ideology and policies devalue Creator-endowed life and liberty for millions of other innocents in the womb for whom no tears are shed either by them or the special interest groups who elect them.

At the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington DC on February 3, 1994, Mother Teresa stated: “And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"

Indeed, if we cannot protect the life and liberty of these smallest versions of ourselves, even with their so-called "imperfections," then Mother Teresa's words take on significant meaning.

Nothing can diminish the pain and loss which has been inflicted upon the CT community. Political leaders who may use that loss to lead a "national discussion," however, must not be allowed to limit the "discussion" to one focusing on inanimate weapons in the hands of a criminal or deranged portion of the society. Neither can it be used to emphasize only the so-called "progressive" political view.

The "discussion," to be worthy of the tragedy which prompts it, must also include a deeper discussion on the meaning and purpose of life at all its natural stages. Mother Teresa's words are worthy of consideration.

12 posted on 12/16/2012 2:05:15 PM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

13 posted on 12/16/2012 2:08:41 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: loveliberty2
Diane Feinstein wants to submit a bill that will do something ~ but look at the moral ground she's standing on ~ she'd abort her own babies if she could, and those of her neighbors, cousins, maybe her own mother!

No one can possibly believe Diane is truly concerned for the safety and physical integrity of the very young.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 2:16:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: hinckley buzzard
Perfectly stated. Thank you.

And that goes for “conservatives” who want to exploit this also. They are just a different shade of statist.

15 posted on 12/16/2012 2:17:13 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As a society we have bought into the idea that if someone does wrong, it is societies fault; an individual commits a crime, therefore society must change. Kids shot at a school, the school did not have the right security, the community did not treat mentally disabled folks right, the country has inadequate gun laws. THIS THOUGHT PROCESS IS A CONSTRUCT OF MODERN PSYCHOLOGY. No matter what the problem, it is not the individual who needs to change or be fixed, but the community caused the problem and needs to change or be fixed. The question is immediately, where did WE go wrong? We must not find fault in the poor criminal. The offending person is sick, a product of environment a symptom of OUR inadequacy. He/she should not be held responsible nor punished, but he/she needs to be understood and helped. We have lost the concept of willful sin and the concept of evil and evil doers. Yes there may be reasons we can ascertain, but those reasons are today used as excuses. Any how that’s my story and I am sticking to it.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 2:20:47 PM PST by cotton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In regard to Huckabee’s comments I can’t stand opportunistic comments based on any agenda. left or right. Doesn’t matter. In huckabee’s case it is a waste of good ammo. That school could have said the Lord’s prayer every morning in that school and those kids would most likely still be dead.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 2:42:08 PM PST by plain talk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This statement has been floating around the Internet for the past few days. Originally attributed to the actor Morgan Freeman who has since denied any association with it. Regardless, I can't find anything to dispute here.

“You want to know why [these shootings keep happening]? This may sound cynical, but here’s why. It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody. CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next."

They coined a term after Columbine ... Blood Dancing. Tragically descriptive of how our MSM behaves after an event of this sort.

18 posted on 12/16/2012 2:44:30 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: MondoQueen

It’s Reason Magazine. While I line up with the libertarians on most issues, I part company with them when it comes to their generally universal rejection of God and faith in Him.

Sadly, they are no better than the marxist humanists in that area.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 2:44:50 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DNC makes the bulk of its money through violence.

They will never address the violence ins Movies, TV, Games and music.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 2:54:50 PM PST by NoLibZone (If the left gave the money they make on violence, we could feed all the hungry and reduce the defict)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

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The commie/muzzie/rat party has made most of the Communist 45 goals in the takeover of America a reality.

The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

Just a few:

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

(Today’s filthy, violent Movies, video games and TV has numbed us to violence and death.
Is it any wonder one of our youths murdered 27 people in cold blood?)

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [”]united force[”] to solve economic, political or social problems.

Congrats, Libs. You’ve made our once great America a cesspool.

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21 posted on 12/16/2012 2:59:52 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The right response right now is probably, “We’re so sorry. Your child was wonderful. Our hearts are broken for you.”


22 posted on 12/16/2012 3:11:49 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MondoQueen

Do you think that if the children had been led in a prayer that day, their lives would have been spared?


23 posted on 12/16/2012 3:12:29 PM PST by Misterioso ( "Those who grant sympathy to guilt, grant none to innocence." - Ayn Rand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Wee bit of common sense in schools."

"Hunting ain’t fun when the bunny shoots back."

24 posted on 12/16/2012 3:21:05 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Malone LaVeigh

While I have no “proof,” I agree. The media is turning the worst criminals (murderers) in society into celebrities.

The best example of this that I can think of is the KC Chiefs player who murdered his baby-mama, then killed himself. I still can’t believe there were people at the stadium wearing this guy’s numbers. They should have built a bonfire outside of the stadium to burn anything referring to him. He was a murderer who left behind an orphaned baby.

I kept hearing that this was a tragedy. It was, but not for the murderer! It was for the victims of the murderer!

Mark


25 posted on 12/16/2012 3:41:35 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1. Mike Huckabee: “We have systematically removed God from our schools.”

Incorrectly stated. Our Government and the liberal elites (Hollywood/Media) are constantly striving to remove God from all areas of American society and belittle anyone that expresses belief.


26 posted on 12/16/2012 3:58:58 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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