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Posted on 12/17/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel

Today's crisis is that of this horrible shooting in Connecticut. Am I the only one to notice that the first people out pushing hard for gun control was the journalistic establishment? How about they try educating people for once? The second amendment is very clear.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Even without reading history, the last two sentences can't be messed up. But we're dealing with progressives, they seek to muddy the waters. And since they've revised all sorts of history and removed large parts of history out of the books altogether, they've built in their own ability to confuse the debate much more effectively. (This has been done by design, mind you. See [1] and [2])

So the focus is often thrown upon questions about the militia. What was the Founder's views on the militia? The 2A makes this pretty clear right in it's own text, the militia is what makes a free state free. But why? First let's ask Noah Webster, who lived during the time of the founding and was very much in favor of independence. In his "An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution", he writes the following: (page 43)

But what is tyranny? Or how can a free people be deprived of their liberties? Tyranny is the exercise of some power over a man, which is not warranted by law, or necessary for the public safety. A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state. This position leads me directly to enquire, in what consists the power of a nation or of an order of men?
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.

The militia is the whole people. You and me, every one of us. It's sort of a euphemism, an interchangeable word. But Webster wasn't a Founder. He merely observed what others around him were saying, what the laws were written to express, and elaborated upon them. The Founders themselves said similar things. Like Tench Coxe, a Founder from Pennsylvania. In The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788, Coxe wrote:

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.

The militia is the whole people. This is very much in line with what Webster wrote. Federalist 46, written by the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, states the following:

The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger.

So Madison states pretty plainly that we need not fear the Federal government, and can easily disprove the reality of this danger. Why?

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation

"Possess over the people of almost every other nation". Again, that's very much what Webster said. (Madison also lists the existence of state governments, but sadly, the progressives have blown through that firewall of protection) As most of the people in Europe at that time were disarmed, it was very easy for tyrants to rule.

George Mason also said similar things. In the debates at the Virginia Ratifying Convention, the following is written, perhaps the most ominous of them all: (page 302)

I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be expected. Under the present government all ranks of people are subject to militia duty. Under such a full and equal representation as ours, there can be no ignominious punishments inflicted. But under this national, or rather consolidated government, the case will be different. The representation being so small, and inadequate, they will have no fellow-feeling for the people. They may discriminate people in their own predicament, and exempt from militia duty all the officers and lowest creatures of the national government.

And from there he goes on to talk about congress exempting themselves from duty, as if they were a bunch of monarchs.

But we can see the obvious. The militia is the whole people. The word ignominous means "Marked by shame or disgrace; despicable; degrading; debasing". Which is what tyranny is.

So if only poor and middle class Americans were armed, Mason warns us, tyranny would start to flourish.

Liberty requires the whole of the militia people to be armed. What would really be a shame is if 20 slain angels becomes the reason that iron fisted tyranny commences in these United States of America. But hey, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; militia; progressingamerica; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/17/2012 9:29:01 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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2 posted on 12/17/2012 9:31:47 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Let's remember what our Founders said:br /
3 posted on 12/17/2012 9:36:22 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

"In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." [upon learning of the success of the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor]

4 posted on 12/17/2012 9:39:15 AM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Yosemitest
I always excperience frustrated anger when I read this type of stuff.

I was a stupid 20yr old in 1969 and ended up with a felony.

Doesn't matter what .. it just is.

In 1968, because of the NRA, a felon was barred from possesion of a gun.

Now ... after 43 years of law abiding citizenship, if I plink out my rural back yard, I'm a criminal, good for a ten year bit if caught.

Every counsel I've ever initiated always sums up to, "nothing yiou can do about it"

..And the words used in our founding documents seem pretty dogmatic.

shall not be infringed

unless due process negates this natural right

huh?

5 posted on 12/17/2012 9:50:25 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Yosemitest
I always excperience frustrated anger when I read this type of stuff.

I was a stupid 20yr old in 1969 and ended up with a felony.

Doesn't matter what .. it just is.

In 1968, because of the NRA, a felon was barred from possesion of a gun.

Now ... after 43 years of law abiding citizenship, if I plink out my rural back yard, I'm a criminal, good for a ten year bit if caught.

Every counsel I've ever initiated always sums up to, "nothing yiou can do about it"

..And the words used in our founding documents seem pretty dogmatic.

shall not be infringed

unless due process negates this natural right

huh?

6 posted on 12/17/2012 9:50:32 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RedMDer
"In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."


Interestingly enough, this is what happened in Michigan with RTW. The unions picked a fight that enraged the people who built a political nuke and dropped it in their midst and now Obama is picking an even bigger fight.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 9:51:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

When Kruschev banged his shoe, he was telling us how it will be done and every progressive has fascilitated that infiltration of the enemy.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 9:53:48 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

I’m in the same boat.

The way I look it it, any man too dangerous to own a gun is too dangerous to walk free.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 9:55:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Seems to me that the Militia Act of 1792 covers who’s in the militia; and, that would be every male in the country between 18 and 45.

The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.

An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 10:01:57 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: knarf
I know several convicts that have black powder firearms.
Check into the law.
Felons can own weapons, but they must meet certain legal requirements, "to BE legal".
11 posted on 12/17/2012 10:06:09 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".

Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it. Just a suggestion.

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12 posted on 12/17/2012 10:08:23 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

13 posted on 12/17/2012 10:17:15 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: knarf
I understand your situation and I agree that one shouldn't have their 'rights' taken away. Either you or any other felon should have the ability to defend themselves.

I recall a few years ago that Redskins safety Sean Taylor was killed in his house by robbers. He was a felon, and wasn't allowed to own a firearm, so the best he had to defend himself and his girlfriend was a machete.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 10:24:36 AM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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