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Why Israel has no Sandy Hooks
Hot Air ^ | December 17, 2012 | Allahpundi

Posted on 12/17/2012 4:39:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A thoughtful piece at Tablet by Liel Leibovitz on why a country brimming with guns, that’s been under siege for more than 60 years, almost never sees the sort of mass shootings that the U.S. does. Spoiler alert: It’s not because the gun laws are unusually strict, or strictly enforced.

If the United States, itself awash with weapons, wishes to benefit from Israel’s experience, it must make sure it learns the right lessons. The first and most universal one is that ever more stringent gun control is bad policy: As is the case with drugs, as was the case with liquor during Prohibition, the strict banning of anything does little but push the market underground into the hands of criminals and thugs. Rather than spend fortunes and ruin lives in a futile attempt to eradicate every last trigger in America, we would do well to follow Israel’s example and educate gun owners about their rights and responsibilities, so as to foster a culture of sensible and mindful gun ownership…

In Israel, still a somewhat socialist country, mental health services are ready available, for free, to anyone...

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; israel; sandyhook; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/17/2012 4:39:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 12/17/2012 4:43:15 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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3 posted on 12/17/2012 4:49:13 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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4 posted on 12/17/2012 4:50:13 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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5 posted on 12/17/2012 4:51:29 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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Like! And she also knows to keep the finger away from the trigger.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 4:53:16 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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7 posted on 12/17/2012 4:54:55 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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People need to read the comments from actual Israelis after the article. Israel is NOT the panacea we are looking for here. Their idea of having armed guards at the schools is really the only thing that is even close to relevent to our situation.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 4:56:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These folks should be armed to the teeth:


9 posted on 12/17/2012 4:56:53 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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10 posted on 12/17/2012 4:57:56 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leaving all the politics aside for a minute, a country of 300 million people is bound to have more mass killings than a country of 7 million.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 5:01:06 PM PST by x
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To: Fred Hayek

Hey there, Fred!

Miltie here.

How’s that Q.E. IV workin’ out for ya?


12 posted on 12/17/2012 5:01:44 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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The premise is flawed. Incidents that happen in the Middle East are more likely to be counted as terrorism or hate crimes, rather than mass shootings or rampage killings.

More weapons may keep body counts down, but many mass killers expect to die -- even want to die -- and won't be deterred by that possibility (or certainty). It's all to the good if fewer people die, but it won't prevent rampage killings.

13 posted on 12/17/2012 5:12:58 PM PST by x
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Is that an M-1 or M-2 carbine?


14 posted on 12/17/2012 5:25:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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I doubt that there is any way to stop these events from happening. So, wouldn’t the next best thing be to keep the body count as low as possible?


15 posted on 12/17/2012 5:32:25 PM PST by doc1019
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bkmk


16 posted on 12/17/2012 5:38:48 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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M1. They are issued to civilians and deep reserve for just this kind of thing.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 5:39:22 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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Certainly. I’m just pointing out that there’s no cure-all or panacea.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 5:46:23 PM PST by x
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I don’t disagree with you. Israel is full of liberals who have been mugged, but the liberal tendency is still there.

I will say that it is easy to get a firearm for a Jewish person using proper channels in Israel.

Proper channels meaning we are fully aware 20% of our population is subject to sudden jihad syndrome at any given time.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 5:49:09 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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20 posted on 12/17/2012 5:52:39 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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People need to read the comments from actual Israelis after the article. Israel is NOT the panacea we are looking for here. Their idea of having armed guards at the schools is really the only thing that is even close to relevent to our situation.

You are correct. Israel's gun control laws pertaining to civilians aren't much different than New York City's. Applicants must pass a comprehensive background check, undergo rigorous training and demonstrate a need to own one before they're given permission to possess a single firearm, typically a handgun (settlers who abide by all of the above are allowed a single semi-auto rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition). Israel appears armed to the teeth because they have compulsory military service and soldiers are required to carry their weapons with them almost everywhere they go. But once they leave the military, they,ve got to turn 'em in.

People who think Israel is some kind of RKBA paradise would find themselves mistaken if they actually researched the laws. In Israel, gun ownership is a privilege, not a right.

21 posted on 12/17/2012 5:56:35 PM PST by Drew68
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A society that condones murdering 3000 innocent children a day in the womb has no business talking about gun control.

The WASHINGTONIANS from the blue blood country club faction are busy heading for the tall grass lest they lose their seat in DC, DISNEYLAND FOR BUSYBODY'S ON POWER TRIPS.

COMMIE SEX PERVERT EXTORTION RACKET VIA THE IRS BABY KILLER CONTROL.

Who will speak up for real Americans?

22 posted on 12/17/2012 6:05:19 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or Switzerland.


23 posted on 12/17/2012 6:23:55 PM PST by gotribe
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To: Uncle Miltie

How’s that Q.E. IV workin’ out for ya?

Are we serfs yet?


24 posted on 12/17/2012 7:11:00 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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Let the teachers at each school decide if they want to arm. Couple this with school vouchers, so parents can decide whether they want their kids to go to an armed school or gun free school. I know which I would want for my son.

Great platform for 2014!

If teachers do not want to arm, parents should be able to volunteer for one day a month, etc.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 7:20:40 PM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Fred Hayek

We’re no longer free to choose our healthcare ....

.... so yes, we are.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 10:53:39 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Just 16 percent of Americansbelieve a better economic future awaits their children when they grow up)
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Certainly. I’m just pointing out that there’s no cure-all or panacea.

Nice straw man you've got there. Who on this forum has called for a cure-all, or a panacea?

27 posted on 12/18/2012 11:13:26 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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Nobody ever says, "Hey, lets adopt this panacea and try out that cure-all." But to say "Israel has no Sandy Hooks" implies for a lot of people that Israel has no mass shootings and that whatever they do over there would prevent mass shootings here if we did the same.

Not true. Mass shootings have happened there as they happen here. You can argue that something they do makes incidents less frequent or the body count lower, but you can't honestly say "Israel has no Sandy Hooks [i.e. no mass shooting sprees]."

Maybe you think people are too smart to think that something will prevent killings of that sort and that that goes without saying, but not everybody is and it doesn't. If there's a "straw man" in there, blame the person who wrote the headline or the article.

28 posted on 12/18/2012 1:07:08 PM PST by x
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Instead of getting hung up on the title, did you read the original article in The Tablet? The content speaks for itself.

I particularly like the photograph in the article, and others that have been posted. I wonder what would have happened if that psycho loser kid tried his reign of terror in these groups?


29 posted on 12/18/2012 4:49:50 PM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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