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John Boehner moving to Plan B on fiscal cliff
Politico ^

Posted on 12/18/2012 6:56:45 AM PST by cotton1706

House Republicans, discouraged by the pace of negotiations with the White House, will move their own bill that would hike tax rates on income above $1 million, according to several sources familiar with the plans.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told President Barack Obama of his plan last night on a phone call, according to sources.

Boehner will make the argument to House Republicans that tax rates will go up on everyone come Jan. 1. “The question for us is real simple: How do we stop as many of those rate hikes as possible?” Boehner plans to tell House Republicans.

“For weeks, Senate Republicans — and a growing number of you — have been pushing for us to pivot to a ‘Plan B,’” he will say. “I think there’s a better way. But the White House just can’t seem to bring itself to agree to a “balanced” approach, and time is running short. Taxes are going up on everyone on Jan. 1. They’re baked into current law. And we have to stop whatever tax rate increases we can. In the absence of an alternative, as of this morning, a ‘modified Plan B’ is the plan.”

Boehner isn’t pulling out of negotiations with the White House to strike a sweeping $2 trillion agreement, but leadership sources say they hope this move prods the administration to move toward them.

As of Monday evening, both sides seemed close to an agreement. Boehner has moved off his insistence that tax rates not rise on the wealthy, and has offered the president $1 trillion in fresh revenue — unthinkable concessions a year ago.

But Obama and Boehner are still a considerable distance apart on taxes. Obama wants to increase tax rates on income over $400,000. Boehner wants the threshold to be set at $1 million; the House GOP proposal would keep the lower Bush-era rates in place for income brackets below that. In essence, Boehner is seeking $1 trillion in revenue and $1 trillion in cuts — but he doesn’t think the president is willing to get there.

“He talked about a ‘balanced’ approach on the campaign trail,” Boehner intends to say. “What the White House offered yesterday — $1.3 trillion in revenue for only $850 billion in spending cuts — cannot be considered balanced. We’re going to keep the door open in hopes the president can find a way to support a balanced approach.”


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Boehner is in cahoots with Obama to get the republicans to actually vote to increase taxes. Why didn't he pass a bill and use that as a negotiating tool? He's trying to keep his job as speaker and destroy the conservatives in one stroke. Then he can go back to the happy, go-along get-along days of Bob Michael when there was no significant conservative resistance.
1 posted on 12/18/2012 6:56:54 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

I’d rather have taxes go up automatically than have the republican caucus vote to increase taxes.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 6:57:33 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
Plan A: Boehner complains and cries.

Plan B: Boehner complains, cries, and wets pants.

3 posted on 12/18/2012 7:01:14 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: cotton1706

So, why not pass a bill that says the rates stay exactly the same as now, ship the bill to Harry Reid, and go the f home?

What is so hard about that?

If the Dem Senate doesn’t act, you blame them for going over the cliff.

Guess that is too hard for no balls Boehner.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 7:03:34 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: cotton1706

could be a brilliant move by Boehner given obama’s growingly apparent strategy to go off the cliff and blame it on the GOP, rather than “negotiate” in good faith

sell it sell it sell it GOP

make your plan easy, a reasonable compromise, a tax on true “millionaires” which GOP MUST note may damage the economy but is what obama demands so obama owns it

sell it day and night to the public

then let Congress go home for Christmas and let obama and Harry Reid sit in the WH with a plan to sign or not, while Mooch flies off to Hawaii without him and leaves him a note to walk the dog


5 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:14 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: cotton1706

Ubama Lite.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 7:06:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: cotton1706

The only place Boehner ought to move to is a nursing home.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: cotton1706
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8 posted on 12/18/2012 7:11:42 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: cotton1706

All this vote would be is a “test” vote for Bonehead and Cantor.
So they know who to threaten and bribe. No other reason to have this
vote.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 7:11:56 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: exit82

Boehner and Obama (and Reid) have been complicit in underming the legislative process. The three oligarchs get together and decide ahead of time what will be, then strong-arm it into law.

No resoponsibility whatsoever is to be placed on the senate, which is of course controlled by the democrats.

The president should not be involved at all in legislation (except to influence the votes of individual members). Obama wants to be both executive and legislator which is extremely dangerous. And Boehner has gone along with him. They’re all working to destroy any resistance.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 7:12:29 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: silverleaf

That’s exactly what I was thinking. However I would add something to the effect of, “without knowing what our budget looks like because the Senate hasn’t put one forward, we have no idea what to tax. So until that budget is in place, all new funding, which includes Obamacare will be put on hold.”

Then go home for Christmas.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 7:12:58 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: cotton1706

I swear the GOP leadership in Congress is gutless, spineless and stupid as hell. They’re going to get the blame no matter the outcome. By agreeing to raise taxes on the wealthy Speaker Crybaby just gives more ammo to the left who will say this proves that the Republicans only wanted tax cuts for the super rich and the duped among our people will eat that up big time. Boehner is a joke of a leader. This is not the time to punish the acheivers. I didn’t think the meltdown of this country would happen so fast.


12 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:12 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: tennmountainman

It’s also a vote to see how many democrats they’ll need to pass should the conservatives be recalcitrant.


13 posted on 12/18/2012 7:14:41 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

What he’s doing is hiding behind the reality of everyone’s taxes going up and the need to stop those that Obama would agree to stop.

It’s a dodge that avoids the genuine issues at the heart of our fiscal ills. It also pretends the Republican philosphy of not raising tax rates is expendable with no downside. Not true. The downside is raising rates hurts the economy and gets LESS revenue not more, and once you flip your own principles you are nothing.

He’s assuming/hoping Obama doesn’t want to go over the cliff, ie doesn’t want everyone’s taxes to go up. But what Obama wants is for people to see their paychecks drastically shrink so he can blame the Republicans for it. At least that’s how I see it. Time will tell but it looks that way. Then Obama can propose a bill to rescind the rate hikes only for those that make under 250 thou/yr just like he demanded all along.

Boehner is under the impression that his position as Speaker makes him a SOMEBODY that Obama would want to negotiate with. Not true. Obama cares only about destroying conservatives, destroying Republicans, and taking this country into his own hands and making it something it was never, ever meant to be. Boehner is NOTHING to Obama. He might as well be Joe the Plumber.

THe whole reason the Bush tax cuts are expiring is because we were too numerically weak in the Congress back then to pass tax cuts that did not expire, and Obama has decided the temporary extensions must end now in order for him to play out his end game.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:00 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: cotton1706

Taxed Enough Already

Dont want to go over your fiscal cliff? Stop driving the stupid car.

Its called Budget, get one boneheads.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:09 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: cotton1706; pookie18
BOEHNER READING
16 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:24 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: silverleaf

make your plan easy, a reasonable compromise, a tax on true “millionaires” which GOP MUST note may damage the economy but is what obama demands so obama owns it


Exactly. We need to outflank the dims. Yes it will hurt the country to raise any taxes but the focus should be destroying the dims.

Barry wants to go over the cliff because there is no other way to get those defense cuts. So if we give up the “tax the rich” card and the dims don’t agree it just shows what they really want. Defense cuts, wealth redistribution and tax increases on the middle class.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:32 AM PST by lodi90
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To: cotton1706

Plan “B” is what?

Boehner gets down on two knees instead of one?

Boehner bends over without holding his knees?

Boehner does both while holding a cigarette between his elbows?

Boehner does all without crying?


18 posted on 12/18/2012 7:16:53 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: cotton1706

Agree. This is test vote for Bonehead and Cantor. So they know who
to threaten if they don’t go along. In addition, it may tell Bonehead how
many rat votes he can expect on the final Grandest of all Bargains.
Bonehead and the DC Party are getting down to the details of screwing
conservatives. If these foolish conservates vote for tax increases now,
how can they not vote for it later.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 7:17:49 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: cotton1706

Yep. Bonehead and Cantor are getting down to the details of screwing conservatives.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 7:19:21 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: txrangerette

Of course the kenyan wants to go over the cliff. He gets his defense cuts and then can ride to the rescue with the Obama tax cuts. Only a dupe would think otherwise.

I think Boehner knows it. But he is desperate for a deal that includes some goodies for his K Street buddies.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:21 AM PST by lodi90
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To: cotton1706

This article is just unsanitary from a journalistic point of view. Boehner was “quoted” on what he is intended/suppose to say lol. If this is journalism/hard news story, should the journalistic profession be considered total fiction now (Rhetorical I guess since facts have been pushed aside for ideology for decades with Duranty paving the mainstream way).


22 posted on 12/18/2012 7:28:09 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: txrangerette

“THe whole reason the Bush tax cuts are expiring is because we were too numerically weak in the Congress back then to pass tax cuts that did not expire”

And rememember why we were numerically weak: John McCain, Arlen Specter, Mike DeWine, George Voinovich and probably the sisters from Maine but I can’t remember.

These rates could have been made permanent years ago but the moderates just couldn’t abide them. I’m not forgetting and won’t vote for any more moderates. I left Scott Brown’s office blank on my ballot last month and will again should he be the nominee to fill Kerry’s seat.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 7:28:48 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

IBD Editorials

Boehner Plays Santa With Major Concessions To Dems

Posted 12/17/2012 07:12 PM ET

Budget Policy: In this season of giving, no one’s been more generous than John Boehner. Three times in fiscal cliff talks, he has offered Democrats more — only to get nothing in return. He really gives till it hurts.

http://news.investors.com/print/ibd-editorials/121712-637366-boehner-plays-santa-obama-budget-talks.aspx


24 posted on 12/18/2012 7:48:37 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: cotton1706

so much for the party of smaller government and less taxes for everyone.

the GOP(e) is dead. someone pull the plug.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 7:52:28 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cotton1706

The house should just pass a bill that can pass, and is acceptable to the House.

They have that authority.

let the Dems in the Senate and WH not act on it, or pass it.

JUST DO YOUR JOB, Boehner - and let the Democrats worry about theirs. You do no have to do their job for them.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 7:53:44 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cableguymn

December 18, 2012
Fiscal Cliff: Boehner Capitulates on Core Conservative Principles
From Heritage Foundation’s Morning Bell -

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Republican leaders have done it once again. Their latest fiscal cliff proposal capitulates on core conservative principles, yielding woefully inadequate concessions from President Obama in the process. Will they ever learn?

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/


27 posted on 12/18/2012 8:07:59 AM PST by KeyLargo
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