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One as yet unanswered question about Newton: Did Nancy Lanza own a gun safe?
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Posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:18 PM PST by ken5050

We are just starting to learn a great deal about Adam and Nancy Lanza, probably far, far more than we really care to. We've been told about Adam just getting his driver's license, Nancy's newly rediscovered passion for firearms and shooting, how Adam was a near genius in some ways, how he lived in the basement of his mother's home, decorated with military type posters, how much alimony she received. One simple thing we have yet to be told: Did Nancy Lanza own a gun safe?


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Obviously, she could afford one, and a top of the line model. And it's a really easy question: either it is there, in the house, or it isn't.

Her friends have told us how, in the last year or so, she was increasingly burdened with the fact that her obviously disturbed son was growing into adulthood. She was devoted to trying to care for him ( I'd wager that was the cause of the marital breakup) but as he got older, began driving, was thinking about moving away to attend college, it was becoming harder to cope.

She may have felt comfortable introducing him to firearms, teaching him to shoot, indeed, she may have felt it was a way to reach him, maintain some contact, as he obviously was fascinated with firearms. She may not have perceived him as dangerous. On that, I have no idea, and no opinion.

But if she left these weapons around the house, unsecured, not locked in a gun safe, then everything that happened at Newton is on her. Period. For that was completely inexcusable.

It is also possible that she had a gun safe, had the weapons secured, but her son, who was a computer/electronics geek, and quite clever, might have found the key, the password. If that's the case, the blame is still on her, for being careless, but at least she made an effort.

I've been following the story fairly closely, and haven't seen the question asked. Which in and of itself seems odd, as it's so obvious.

1 posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:21 PM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

She should never had any weapons in the house with a lunatic like that safe or not unless the thing was like fort knox.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 2:46:31 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: ken5050

Well, I am not insane, but we had guns in our house all the time I was growing up. In fact, I used to cleans them even before I was 9 years old. A gun safe isn’t the answer. The answer is training and supervision. I don’t think a gun safe would have stopped this kid. He did what he did because he was sick and needed more supervision than the woman could give him.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 2:51:47 PM PST by Parmy
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To: ken5050
I've heard about an altercation at the school days before.

Is that correct?

The mother was murdered at home, not at school.

She was only a part-time teacher, had she taught at all this year at the school.

What business did he have at the elementary school the days prior to the mass murder?

4 posted on 12/18/2012 2:54:51 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Parmy

Even a genius kid can’t get into a well-made gun safe.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:52 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ken5050

The basic problem with having a safe is that you advertise to any visitors/workers that you have something of value inside the safe that is of greater value than what they might see around your house. Word can get around and at some point, someone waits for you, gets the jump on you and demands that you show them what’s inside the safe.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:58 PM PST by fso301
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To: ken5050

The blame is on Adam Lanza.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 2:57:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: GlockThe Vote

A good gun safe is safe. Period.

By that I mean 1500-2000 punds and bolted, and solid
enough that normal tools won’t dent it.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 2:59:53 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: ken5050

200K+ alimony
gun locker


9 posted on 12/18/2012 3:00:32 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

the woman eventook her kid to a range after admitting her kid is not in the mainstream.

Maybe if she stopped being his friend, started to show discipline at an early age, teach morals, hard work he might have not been going to crap in his early teens.

We have a nut kid ext door, non one is ever around to raise him thus he goes about doing what he wants,. The last thing I woudl do is let this kid near a gun and here is her taking the kid to a range and what;s the betting she bought him the gun because he wanted one.Have to be a good friend for the modern parent you know


10 posted on 12/18/2012 3:02:29 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: fwdude

“Even a genius kid can’t get into a well-made gun safe.”

What about with a well-placed, well-hidden camera hooked to his computer, so he could watch the safe being opened? Record the vid, zoom, etc.?


11 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:01 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Parmy
Training and discipline go only a little ways in dealing with crazoids.

First, don't leave guns around the house and don't have any knives, scissors razor blades, heavy rocks, hunks of iron ~ whatever.

Move out!

Now!

12 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ken5050

Where was Dad in all this?


13 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:21 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yes, but it would show she at least took some basic precautions against this freak show.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 3:07:03 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: mylife

the blame is on him and how he was brought up.
What kind of a mother woudl take her kid who is not mainstream to a range, did she buy him the gun and maybe he did not listen to her ebcause he did not respect her because she did not raise him wiht morals and respect.

The left promoted getting rid of fathers, discipline, morals,hard work and instead be a friend, buy them all what they want crap.

Well it;s about time the left admitted the attack on the fmaily and promotion of divorce, the lack of men in boys lives, the lack of morals and hard work, the new way of being a parent and just talking to them and being a friend has not worked.

Society has gone to crap and it;s no coincidence that it weent to crap when women were told to get out , get a job and career and stop this moral stuff.

My wife worked as a nanny and saw first hand how some raise their kids or there lack of.

First job as a aprent is be parent, my job is to raise my boys to be good future husbands, are good son and brothers and future fathers.. So far so good


15 posted on 12/18/2012 3:09:27 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

she wanted her career, no father in house, tired after work so leave kid to his own in his bedroom at an early age and let kid raise himself.
Once kid gets teens then it;s too late to tell others one thinks she;s lost kid.

Being a parent is full time


16 posted on 12/18/2012 3:11:33 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Good point. I’m not yet up on the super-genius technology yet.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 3:12:02 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Good point. I’m not yet up on the super-genius technology yet.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 3:12:22 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If reports are true, and who knows, that she was trying to get him
committed. Teaching him how to use weapons and trying to commit him
don’t mix. If she did not have a gun safe, the moment she started the
process to committ him is the moment she should have bought a gun safe.
Period.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 3:12:31 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: ken5050

I got the drift that Mom took junior shooting as a way to “bond” with him. My dad did that with me and those times plinking were some of my happiest memories of him.

However, I suspect she had a lapse of jugement in just how open she was with him (again - trying to bond and all that -) and felt that his easy access to the guns would be trustfull, not abused, and strengthen their relationship.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 3:13:20 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: fwdude

” I’m not yet up on the super-genius technology yet.”

Well,,,, it was just the first thing that popped into my head.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 3:14:50 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: TexasCajun
I've heard about an altercation at the school days before. Is that correct?

It was later announced that this rumor is not true. So far the only connection between the perpetrator and the school that has come out and continues to appear correct is that he was once a student there.

22 posted on 12/18/2012 3:15:32 PM PST by wideminded
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To: ken5050
then everything that happened at Newton is on her.

No it isn't. It is still all on the nutjob who made the choice to commit the crime. Maybe it wasn't in a safe because she was keeping it close to her for protection. Either way, it is not 'all on her'.

23 posted on 12/18/2012 3:15:39 PM PST by mnehring
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To: tennmountainman

Or at a minimum keep the guns at friends house.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 3:17:34 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: manc

Very good points!


25 posted on 12/18/2012 3:18:48 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: manc

Blame it on the mother! But it was dad who split!


26 posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:04 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: ken5050

Only a busybody liberal think she has the right to have a say about someone else’s home.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:24 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: mylife
The ONLY form of post incident reporting that I want to see on this is:

First, the postmortem blood screening. What was in his blood and what was missing. There should be absolutely no problem with this.

Second, i want to see Adam's medical records for the last ten years. I want to see what medications and strengths he was prescribed. I know that the Physician’s Desk Reference contain many more adverse reactions that are listed in the various advertising on TV.

There might be a problem with the second one as advocates will start yelling about his privacy rights. Excuse me, Adam is dead so where is the problem? And if the useful idiots continue to scream about his rights - about about the rights of his 27 victims? Shouldn't we be talking about their rights over Adams?

28 posted on 12/18/2012 3:19:35 PM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: manc

How did Ryan end up being a success?


29 posted on 12/18/2012 3:20:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ken5050
It is also possible that she had a gun safe, had the weapons secured, but her son, who was a computer/electronics geek, and quite clever, might have found the key, the password. If that's the case, the blame is still on her, for being careless, but at least she made an effort.

These thoughts occurred to me also.

If the kid were focused on getting into that hypothetical safe, there's lots of ways he could have gone about it. Maybe Mom had a password memory problem--like General Ripper in "Dr. Strangelove": "P-O-E", Purity of Essence, "E-O-P" -- Essence of Purity, and left clues around--or maybe she was careless with securing the original instructions with the combination. The question of whether she took any precautions is a good one.

30 posted on 12/18/2012 3:21:07 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ken5050

I’ve seen speculation on this and I have to ask. Couldn’t he have just killed her and got the key’s or killed her and found the combination or maybe he already found the combination or she in fact didn’t have a safe at all.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 3:21:27 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: GlockThe Vote

That would have been the best option if she was, as reports indicate
trying to have him committed.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 3:22:21 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: mylife

er because he had a different mother,very simple really.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 3:22:47 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Nip

I would like that info as well, just out of curiosity.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 3:26:57 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

funny when I mention those points, , you know career more than bring a parent, tired after work so let kids have TV in bedroom and never see kid, be a friend to a kid instead of discipline, coddle boys like they;re little babies , then most agree except a handful, mmmmmmmm.wonder why.

My wife was a nanny , saw first hand how some ignored their kids, bought them all they want but never sat down every night talking to their kids and raising them with morals, respect hard work ethic, nah she was too tired to deal with her kids, easier to have day care,nannies, baby sitters deal wiht it instead of them after all they;rpe tired after work and other nights they like to have a drink with their co workers


35 posted on 12/18/2012 3:27:22 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

I think you folks will do anything to find an answer.


36 posted on 12/18/2012 3:29:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ken5050

ANd she was the first one to be slaughtered we may never know.....It is not as if the ‘powers that be’ want us to have the truth on this


37 posted on 12/18/2012 3:31:13 PM PST by Nifster
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To: lonestar

blame goes around , parents , both of them, who th ehell would take their kid who has fell out of mainstream to a gun range and what;s the betting she bought the gun because he wanted the gun.
Better being a parent from day one than being a friend .


38 posted on 12/18/2012 3:32:19 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mylife

who is “you folks”?

Are you saying you folks are us conservatives pointing out that the modern parenting has failed, treating little boys like babies and treating their little boo boos which no one can see and giving medals for all is good?

Is it a coincidence that society is screwed up today and started to go down after the left is that you folks? started to attack the traditional family.

Are you saying and telling me that what I have seen working with kids, having kids, seing my friends kids and my wife working wiht kids for over 30 years is all wrong?

Or are you getting defensive for some reason?


39 posted on 12/18/2012 3:35:36 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Dusty Road

At the top of the the thread mentioned again here at FR of an altercation with Lansa AT the elementary school day(s) before the terror happen???

What is a 20 year old adult doing at an elemntary school. Why weren’t the Police all over this creep at that time???

The prior FR thread indicated that Lansa as a young student at the school was a already seen as a NUT job???

MORE PC Garbage!


40 posted on 12/18/2012 3:36:49 PM PST by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: manc

You have no evidence that bad parenting is responsible for this heinous crime.

Acquaintances struggled with fathoming the deadly actions being attributed to someone they had known.

Alex Israel was in the same class at Newtown High School with Adam Lanza, who lived a few houses down from her.

“You could definitely tell he was a genius,” Israel told CNN, adding she hadn’t talked with him since middle school. “He was really quiet, he kept to himself.”

His former bus driver, Marsha Moskowitz, told CNN affiliate WABC that he was “a nice kid, very polite” like his brother.

“It’s a shock to even know (the family),” she said. “You can’t understand what happened.”

A former classmate told CNN affiliate WCBS that Adam Lanza “was just a kid” — not a troublemaker, not antisocial, not suggesting in any way that he could erupt like this.

“I don’t know who would do anything like this,” the classmate said, before walking away distraught. “This is unspeakable.”


41 posted on 12/18/2012 3:39:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: manc
because he had a different mother,very simple really.

You are just making stuff up.

42 posted on 12/18/2012 3:47:38 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

You have no evidence that bad parenting is responsible for this heinous crime.

tell me you are joking please?

Everyone who commits murder or rape etc is always nice or quiet or to themselves.

Fact is you can watch and read CNN as much as you want but if you want to tell me and my wife with over 30 years working wiht kids for my wife and 10 with me and having kids, and seeing my kids friends and what they tell me we’re wrong then you can put your head in the sand as much as you want or you can get defensive as much as you want for some reason.

Seen first hand. wifes ex boss.
wife gets kid ready for school
wife takes kids
wife cleanhouse
wife does laundry
wife gets kids from school
wife feeds kids
wife does homework with kids
wife see nice little kids growing up telling mother to f off.
see kids having no respect\sees kids getting anything they want but no love
sees boss coming home getting some wine and pills, telling kids to watch TV as she is tired, kicks off shoes
today she has learned that those kids are off the wall, hit teachers and are on drugs

MMMWonder why they are like they are, maybe mother should not have bought kids from another country and raised them or there lack of if she was never going to do her job and that is a parent.

OH and your CNN info does not even go with what has been told

mother takes kid to gun range
mother has guns not locked up
mother tells people she might be losing him
mother tells baby sitter, watch him don;t turn your back at aged 11

Oh I don;t know head in sand or admit many parents today would rather ignoe their first job and that is being a parent.

Again you ignore how the attacks on the traditional family and morals were in line when society was going to crap


43 posted on 12/18/2012 3:51:30 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mylife

Bad parenting is not the issue. Bad decisions by the parent is.
Teaching a disabled young man how to use weapons, for whatever
reason, was a bad decision. This freak could not have purchased a
weapon legally due to to his disability.
And the report that she was trying to have him committed and did not
place those weapons with a friend, until she could have him committed
was another fatal decision.
Bad parent no. Bad decisions yes.


44 posted on 12/18/2012 3:54:14 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: mylife

have you drank too much wine already LOL
Ryan as in Paul Ryan , do you mean?1

Yes Paul Ryan had a different mother to Adam Lanza what are you on about I’;m making this up?


45 posted on 12/18/2012 3:55:26 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mylife

think you need to stop watching CNN for your news and stop taking in the left wing crap


46 posted on 12/18/2012 3:55:59 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ken5050

I was wondering today if she had the key on a chain around her neck and he killed her and took the key.


47 posted on 12/18/2012 3:57:38 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: tennmountainman

agree.

She told others she was losing him and yet took him to a gun range and I would likfe ot know why she bought the gun.
Was it because she wanted to get closer to her son and be a friend and thought if she buys the gun for him he will move closer or did this CT school teacher woman just love guns?

If so she must be in the only 5 women CT school teachers who likes AR’s.


48 posted on 12/18/2012 3:58:30 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mylife

“At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats


49 posted on 12/18/2012 4:00:20 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: mylife

Mass shooter Luke Woodham explained...

“I am not insane, I am angry. I killed because people like me are mistreated every day. I did this to show society, push us and we will push back. ... All throughout my life, I was ridiculed, always beaten, always hated. Can you, society, truly blame me for what I do? Yes, you will. ... It was not a cry for attention, it was not a cry for help. It was a scream in sheer agony saying that if you can’t pry your eyes open, if I can’t do it through pacifism, if I can’t show you through the displaying of intelligence, then I will do it with a bullet. “


50 posted on 12/18/2012 4:00:57 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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