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Alert: most likely EO on Firearms
Larry Vickers ^ | 12/19/2012 | Larry vickers

Posted on 12/19/2012 4:39:31 AM PST by Solson

Alert; possible executive order information

I wanted to share with everyone here what I heard today from a very well placed source inside the firearms industry- word is the Obama administration had the ATF a couple months ago do a study to see the feasibility of making all semi auto assault rifles NFA items- meaning they would be handled in the same way as an SBR in terms of procuring one; it is assumed there would be an amnesty period for current owners to register the assault rifles they already have then any transfer down the line would be the same procedure as a suppressor or SBR

The gut feeling is that if Obama doesn't get from congress an assault rifle ban he likes he will do what Bill Clinton did with the Street Sweeper and use his executive powers to make semi auto AR's, AK's, FAL's, G3's, Galils, etc. NFA weapons

I personally think this is a very likely scenario in case a ban gets deadlocked in the house or senate

Just an FYI - if I hear anything more on this topic or anything else related to a potential future ban I will drop in and give everyone a data dump

Be safe and try and keep your sanity

LAV _

_________________ VickersTactical.com


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Okay 2nd amendment and freedom lovers...here it starts. Also look for prices on stamps and other processes to skyrocket.

Obama will do this and let the courts sort it out. It doesn't help that the GOP, now defunct, hasn't fought any other Obama executive orders.

1 posted on 12/19/2012 4:39:37 AM PST by Solson
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To: Kaslin

FYI


2 posted on 12/19/2012 4:42:13 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: cripplecreek; lowbridge

FYI


3 posted on 12/19/2012 4:44:14 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson

someone please give me the acronyms.

EO? FBR? LVO?

I know what the NFA is.

I hate acronyms.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 4:46:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Solson

It’s up to the people now.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 4:46:56 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

If I were that bunch, I’d outlaw everything larger than a pea shooter.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 4:50:04 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Solson

He and they have to disarm before they come for our money, land and stuff they want to “redistribute.” The people they want to disarm most completely are White.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 4:52:12 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Vaquero

Try this one:

POSHITUS


8 posted on 12/19/2012 4:52:25 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Vaquero

EO = executive order, FBR = full battle rifle


9 posted on 12/19/2012 4:52:48 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Vaquero

SBR. = short barreled rifle.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 4:54:28 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson; cripplecreek; lowbridge; Kaslin

EO’s only apply to US Citizens.....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23398430/060225-—Eric-Williams-Show-—Excerpt

The Fourteenth Amendment - Revisited

First - forget everything you ever knew about the Fourteenth Amendment - then carefully read the below expose:

Take the Amendment’s opening clauses, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where in they reside...”

Now, consider the same clauses with the central, explanatory clause removed, and it then reads: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...”

Under the rules of English grammar and punctuation, the second clause, “and under the jurisdiction thereof, “ is an explanatory clause. Explanatory clauses do not add to nor in any way change or alter the meaning of the writing in which they are included; their purpose is to explain. As it is self evident that naturalized persons volunteer into the jurisdiction of the United States as an inherent aspect of their voluntary naturalization, the explanatory obviously was not relevant thereto. Therefore the inclusion of this explanatory clause is to clarify that persons born in the
United States, in deference to the Thirteenth Amendment, do not become and are not, at the moment of their birth in the United States, automatically citizens thereof because such newborn persons are incapable of personally volunteering themselves into servitude. I contend that the inclusion of “persons naturalized” was somewhat obfuscatory.

Please note that when the explanatory words (”, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “), are omitted, the entire impact and meaning changes, or rather (and more correctly), the true meaning become obfuscated. The explanatory clause, (”, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “), clearly adds a second criteria necessary to establishing citizenship and clearly indicates that there are two distinctly separate criteria both of which must be met in order for
persons born in the United States to be classified or designated as citizens thereof.

The words, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “ clearly provide, recognize and acknowledge that there are persons born in the United States who are not thereby automatically subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and that such persons, by such birth, are not automatically classified or designated to be citizens of the United States.

(I strongly contend that this includes all persons born in the United States of parents when the parents themselves are citizens of the United States. That is, no one becomes a citizen of the United States just because the person is born in the United States. “Born in the United States” and “born under the jurisdiction thereof” are not one and the same as is commonly misunderstood. If the two statements meant the same thing then only one would have been needed. Moreover, the Thirteenth Amendment’s prohibition of involuntary servitude prevents anyone from being designated to be a citizen of the United States based merely on the location of the person’s birth in the United States).


11 posted on 12/19/2012 4:54:36 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: phockthis

read the rest of the story at link provided


12 posted on 12/19/2012 4:56:58 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: phockthis
I consider myself to be intelligent, with good reading skills. But it's too early in the morning. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Can you provide a one sentence conclusion of the point you are making?

13 posted on 12/19/2012 4:59:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Solson
The term "semi auto assault rifles" is still ambiguous and has to be defined by someone. Would a semi-auto, synthetic stock, .22 long-rifle apply?

By law, how are executive orders challenged?

Once this predicted edict is made, would any governmental body be able to immediately challenge its Constitutionality/legality, or would a citizen need to be arrested in violation of the order to have standing to challenge its validity?

14 posted on 12/19/2012 5:00:10 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Solson; marktwain; Joe Brower; Nachum; MestaMachine; Lurker; CodeToad; Black Agnes

This would certainly trigger Civil War Two.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 5:05:41 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It means Obama cannot legally write ant EO because he fails to qualify as POTUS.

Own guns? Become a birther.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 5:06:49 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Thanks.

I do believe that Obama is not eligible to be president. However, I really think that ship has sailed — no one with political power ever had ther guts to make an issue of it. The GOP walked away from that issue right from the start. After Obama’s election and re-election, I just don’t see the point.


17 posted on 12/19/2012 5:10:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: combat_boots
We are being set up to be the national scapegoats.

Turkey: Armenian and Greek Christians.

Russia: "Kulaks" and other "class enemies."

Germany: The Jews

China: The "landlords."

Cambodia: "Intellectuals"

First they have to build the raging hate-on against greedy old violent whites, then they can disarm us, then they can exterminate us.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 5:11:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eye of Unk

-It means Obama cannot legally write ant EO because he fails to qualify as POTUS.

Own guns? Become a birther.-

Good luck with that approach.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 5:13:48 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Mouton
yes, then what is next, red-headed people, Catholics,Protestants, maybe white males.....there is no end to this sort of dictatorial rule...
20 posted on 12/19/2012 5:18:02 AM PST by B212
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower

I think the possibilities of Obama using this tactic are very real.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 5:21:22 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: justice14; All

Well when Obama does indeed decide to use an EO to restrict buying any semi-auto into law more restrictive than even in Australia or excessively expensive for a tax stamp who you gonna call?

he will probably in less than 48 hours expose a plan to tax the living daylights out of any and all defined assault weapons, and by their definitions that includes tube fed .22lr lever actions.

Wait and see, prove me wrong for both our sake.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 5:22:10 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Solson

He doesn’t have the authority to circumvent the constitution with an EO. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries and I wouldn’t be surprised if Boehner lets it slide.


23 posted on 12/19/2012 5:26:55 AM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: RC one
Last count I saw, he has signed more than 350 executive orders. Many circumvent the law. No one has stopped him or even raised their voice.

He doesn't care about the law. At all. And no one is stopping him.

24 posted on 12/19/2012 5:29:23 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson

That will be a hard road for Obama to hoe since Congress explicitly defined NFA weapons as either 1) guns capable of fully automatic fire, or 2) long guns with barrel length less than 16 inches. Pistols and revolvers are explicitly exempted from the NFA.

Executive Orders can be challenged in court just like anything else. For instance, the birth control mandate currently before the courts was an Executive Order.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 5:31:24 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Solson

Your right, no one is stopping him and no one with any power to stop him is raising their voice against his lawlessness.

And in his second term he will have more flexibility.

And his his third term.....


26 posted on 12/19/2012 5:32:50 AM PST by Texas resident (Enilgat)
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To: Thane_Banquo
" Executive Orders can be challenged in court just like anything else."

But he owns the judges.

27 posted on 12/19/2012 5:36:00 AM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Solson

Class 3 weapons are clearly defined in the NFA, and there’s simply no way you could make a semi-auto rifle or pistol fit into those classifications.

It’s not one of those cases where it has that “the secretary shall determine” nonsense. So there’s no way Obama could change those definitions without additional legislation.

I call shenanigans on this story. They can’t be THAT stupid.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 5:36:04 AM PST by Velvet_Jones
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To: Washi
Just what I was wondering.

My Remington Nylon 66 must be an assault rifle.

1. It IS a semi-automatic RIFLE

2. It HAS a HIGH CAPACITY, 14 round magazine.

3. The caliber is ALMOST the same as the EVIL M-16. (.22 vs .223 - Hey what difference could 3 thousands of an inch make?)

4. Finally it is a evil BLACK weapon! (Is that a racist statement?)


29 posted on 12/19/2012 5:37:38 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Solson

Register my @$$!


30 posted on 12/19/2012 5:40:28 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Is the birth control mandate still in place? Yes.


31 posted on 12/19/2012 5:40:53 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Velvet_Jones

Larry Vickers is a smart guy and connected to the industry. I can see Obama asking for just a reclassification of the NFA to include semi-automatic. “That’s All” he will say. And the sheeple will go along with it.


32 posted on 12/19/2012 5:43:13 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Velvet_Jones

They are far from stupid, its the lack of opposition that emboldens them so. Think about that, they have successfully marginalized every person or group that could be a threat to them.

We either need a nuke or a billion voodoo dolls to defeat Obama now.


33 posted on 12/19/2012 5:43:26 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

So why we’re semi-auto “street sweepers” put under this? Clinton did it. Then Obama can clearly do it.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 5:44:54 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson
it is assumed there would be an amnesty period for current owners to register the assault rifles they already have...

The implementation of which would not have prevented any of the recent attacks using these weapons.

To do that, they will have to take the next, logical (from their point of view) step (which would be easy if registration is in place) - confiscation.

35 posted on 12/19/2012 5:47:58 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Solson

Look for it to land up in the courts.


36 posted on 12/19/2012 5:50:27 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Travis McGee
This would certainly trigger Civil War Two.

I've enjoyed your books. I respect your writing. But you are wrong.

CWII will be over in the short period of time it takes the government to round up you, me, and maybe a half-dozen other people in each state. I look at the vast majority of my fellow citizens. The "give-a-damn" isn't there.

I am very depressed over this. I weep for our country.

37 posted on 12/19/2012 5:51:07 AM PST by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Solson

People will just simply hide their guns.


38 posted on 12/19/2012 5:51:50 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: RepRivFarm

Well the sales in guns have proven you wrong. CW II will happen, mark my words.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 5:54:06 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Solson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2969512/posts


40 posted on 12/19/2012 5:57:53 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Travis McGee

No it won’t... We’ll stand there with a boo boo lip and hand them over to the Gestapo...


41 posted on 12/19/2012 6:01:50 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Biggirl; RepRivFarm

Buying guns and using them on fellow Americans is completely different.


42 posted on 12/19/2012 6:02:10 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Biggirl
People will just simply hide their guns.

But, you see, that is TOTALLY pointless.

If the only thing anyone ever does is hide their gun, then what was the point of buying it?

At some point, We The People need to USE the guns -- and when gun confiscation is the looming threat, I think HIDING the gun is not much better than handing it to the BATF.

43 posted on 12/19/2012 6:02:30 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I have no idea what you are trying to say

It moronic "the 14th Amendment doesn't exist, I'm a resident of the United States, not a United States Citizen so I don't have to pay taxes" Bravo Sierra. Don't worry about not understanding his rantings, worry if you start to think he make senses.

44 posted on 12/19/2012 6:08:43 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: Vaquero

EO- Executive Order

SBR- Short Barrelled Rifle. Specific marking requirements and licensing. Less than for full NFA

NFA- National Firearms Act. 1934. Requires registration and paying a $200 tax. Closed to new firearms in May of ‘86 by the Lautenberg Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act that further modified the Gun Control Act of ‘68. None of which are Constitutionally legal but have been upheld by activist courts just the same under the Commerce Clause.

Former .mil types get used to acronyms and tend to keep using them for life. ;-)


45 posted on 12/19/2012 6:09:34 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Biggirl
Well the sales in guns have proven you wrong. CW II will happen, mark my words.

I pray you are correct in the assessment of our fellow Americans. I fear that you will merely be one of the above-mentioned half-dozen in your state.

46 posted on 12/19/2012 6:10:01 AM PST by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Biggirl
No. No hiding. Not any more.

They do this, it's time to put them to use.

47 posted on 12/19/2012 6:12:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: G Larry

Finally, someone who gets it!! Either way you look at it theres lots of win in your comment.

If you mean I wont comply then youre in good company. If you mean tatoo a s/n on it and register that along w/ anything else in your home w/ a s/n then thats good too! I call it Going Canadian. LOL!!!!


48 posted on 12/19/2012 6:13:04 AM PST by 556x45
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To: RepRivFarm

All I am doing is making a prediction, do not doubt me.


49 posted on 12/19/2012 6:15:34 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Solson

This may make some uncomfortable.

But this is our Lexington and Concord.

Like in 1775, the stand will be taken for the same reason.

The end of the Second Amendment means the compact known as the Constitution is broken, thus there is no longer a reason for the governed to give their consent to those who would rule over us.


50 posted on 12/19/2012 6:17:23 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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