Skip to comments.A new survey shows us exactly why America is dying: the TAKERS think things are just fine
Posted on 12/22/2012 10:18:13 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
A new Pulse Opinion Research (POR) survey provides all the evidence needed to conclude that America was mortally wounded by the reelection of Barack Obama. For whatever their reason the Makers in our country saw fit to stay home and allow the Takers and their enablers to ascend to power. Now the country will reap the devastation brought on by their decision.
The opinion splits found in the POR report on every important indicator of the financial health of the country could not be clearer. While an overall 59% think the country is on the wrong track, 87% of Republicans (the Makers Party) said wrong track and 54% of Democrats, (the Takers Party) saw the nation as being on the right track. Why should they think otherwise with so much free stuff coming their way paid for by...
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as long as there’s stuff to take from other, they’re happy.
Prayers for Maggie Thatcher. “Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.”
Ran into a relocated friend last night. Says he doesn’t follow politics, that he’s proud to have voted for Obama twice, doesn’t think BO has screwed ANYTHING up, and that he was scared by the thought of a Romney presidency.
Follow the media and you too can echo their talking points.
It is insane from a traditional American Government; but the policy nicely fits those compulsive humanists & egalitarians, who despise traditional American values, and want to remake us into part of an international ant hill--the "one-world" idea that appeals so strongly to the perceptually deficient Leftists.
My time is my own. I spend ZER0 hours/yr working for the benefit of the Takers who spend zer0 hr/yr contributing to the "common good".
I'm no longer a slave workin' for the various gov'ts. All work done for oneself is taxfree.
Unfortunately this issue can only be resolved by “rivers of blood.”
Most of the time most people don’t like to get apocalyptic and think about approaching chaos or catastrophes. That may mean that they miss things that are going on and squander opportunities to fix problems, but it’s not a wholly bad thing. If everyone was up in arms now, it wouldn’t make the country a better place, since if we were all ready to fight, everybody wouldn’t be on the same side by any means.
They initially made a big start showing the French the power of well trained archers, but over time they ended up using cannons, and the French too got cannons and they turned to shooting cannons at the other guy's cannons.
But that's not what bogged them down in an almost endless serious of invasions and retreats, and finally total losses.
It was the plundering. You read any serious piece about the Hundred Years War you run into it.
Rather than make the effort to hold and govern an area the English commanders would bring their troops up to a town ~ and send an emissary to approach the gate with a demand ~ to wit, send out the 10, 20, or whatever number of the town's richest men with their stuff, and we'll go away.
The townsmen always complied, and in short order the now wealthy English commanders would high tail it back to Merry old England with the loot ~ leaving further pursuit of war to others~
The French were gradually unburdened of their coupon clippers and minor titled nobles, and corrupt sheriffs and constables and began to take heart. When Jeanne d'Arc strode on the world stage they were ready to take it to the English.
In the end the English accepted Jeanne ~ like they had so many wealthy minor nobles before her ~ burned her at the stake, and were shortly reduced to a small holding in the Far West ~ destroyed by their own avarice ~ while the French had been strengthened through the loss of their own.
Do not imagine for a second that others think of the wealthy as givers ~
And they will keep on thinking so - right on up until their EBT cards don’t clear the WalMart Checkout Register.
What sane person that actually works and pays taxes won’t examine the theft of their hard-earned income and look to see if there is a way to maximize their take-home and minimize their taxes and other thefts of it?
In the extreme, there are those high paid workers that have paid off their homes, their loans, their credit cards, their cars, etc. that just say “eff it” I’m not gonna keep working to earn the most I can so that a frickin’ leech can go spend it at WalMart with her EBT card.
The time is coming when entrepreneurship will be finally stiffled, high paid jobs will be deserted, and the former working class actually checks out to cash in.
I can’t prove it. I’ve said it before so I will be brief here. We don’t need to convince 100 percent or even 70 percent of the “takers” ... we only need convince SOME of them that they’d be so much happier or better off with a working economy that offered them lots of jobs they could easily get.... or even good small biz opportunities.
In other words, a R candidate who ARTICULATES well and, yes, does “reach out” to the D party base.....
CAN, I am absolutely convinced, WIN.
But for all his success in the primaries, Romney did not really articulate very well much of the time in the general election, nor did he reach out much to the D base.
We only need to convince SOME of them, let’s try to get a candidate next time who will really try to do it.
AND, any Democrats reading this...please try to get rid of the communist and pro-Jihadi, anti-American fringe element that’s usurped the D party. Nominate a decent American with good, positive values. If s/he wins, so be it.
We will grouse but we will support his administration.
We cannot support an open America-hater, however.
And Forget about Hillary, she’s unacceptable after selling out American interests all over the world to the IslamoFascists her boss loves so much.
My sister and her husband are the same way. They think 0bama is doing just great. They have no TV, don’t read newspapers and don’t read about politics on the internet so I have no idea how they get it but they know all the talking points of the left.
I have not spoken to one of my closest friends since before the election. I've known him all of my adult life, and would still do anything for him if he needed me. However, he was in my face over and over again spouting the inane bs the left always spouts, telling me how stupid Bush and Palin are, how brilliant the man who won't release his college transcripts is, and how much he hated the Tea Party and wanted to see them screwed. Beneath his pronouncements and anger was clearly resentment, and I'm quite sure that resentment is a huge component of what motivates many on the left.
I explained to him that Obama was screwing my life personally, because I practice medicine, and also told him I didn't want to hear about this jerk. But he insisted, and was in my face about it. He clearly thinks that if you hear something on CNN, or ABC, or any of the pop culture media outlets it is by definition true. Conversely, he truly believes that Fox is the most biased media outlet in existence. In short, he is not well informed and incredibly susceptible to the propaganda that sustains the left.
For me, all of this has been very painful, and I just decided that life was too short to be tweaked by someone who is supposed to be my friend. I find it extremely offensive to have people congratulate themselves on how the are on the side of ‘tolerance’ and then call someone they don't know, Sarah Palin, stupid, and chastise her as ‘using her children as props’. I've never seen as much hatred as I've seen from the left, ever. A true friend wants to understand you, and cares about what hurts you. They don't gloat because their guy - the guy they think is best for them - won.
“For whatever their reason the Makers in our country saw fit to stay home and allow the Takers and their enablers to ascend to power. “
Thinking in this modality IS the reason that the “Makers in our country saw fit to stay home...”, etc. Maybe we should put the cutlery down and just take a look at that “whatever” reason. It seems to me that that “reason” is kinda key to the entire question of why we lost a crucial election. Where are the conservative sociologists pointing the way towards a repair momentum, eh? This idiot tendency to blame anyone other than ourselves will absolutely deliver to us a continuing trend towards irrelevance in a modern laterally connected planet. Meanwhile the carpet continues to move out from under our feet and our screams won’t stop it.
They will take every penny from social security and from the makers before the ebts don’t work. Don’t kid yourself.
Still waiting on Romney to start his campaign ~ anybody seen him lately?
he did fine in debates but only a fraction of the people he needed to reach ever watch debates
he campaigned very effectively (alas) against a couple of the other R primary candidates, indeed it was that performance that gave me hope maybe he could win the general election (he was not my first choice)
all in all, Romney was credible whereas McCain just “enabled” O by continuously legitimizing or enabling him or telling us we didn’t have to be afraid of him. Alas, we did.
If the R party can’t nominate candidates who will run real election campaigns, it is most discouraging. They have to get up there and swing at the ball...
otherwise, they will keep losing...
I just can’t fathom why Romney/Ryan (and the rest of the R party apparatus and politicos and spokespeople) didn’t get out there and really campaign a whole lot more. (The polls were telling them they needed to do it, too...)
Read an article about the Gen Y professionals who can’t find work. Good. Problem is though that they can’t connect the dots.
This 56% are mostly at least ignorant and some are just plain stupid.
So much easier to ignore reality that everyone has to produce something for society to survive let alone prosper. Oh sure, you can help someone down on his luck but not forever. The resources all run out eventually.
I can’t pay everyone a decent wage if only half work and produce product. It just does not work.
The cliff has to come. It is the only way the taking will end. Terrible but true.
Unfortunately, you are correct sir. It is an opinion shared by many.
Yep. I run into plenty of those here in the People's Republik of Connecticut. Some of these people don't really like Obama, but they cannot wait to vote Hillary in as our first female President.
>>I just cant fathom why Romney/Ryan (and the rest of the R party apparatus and politicos and spokespeople) didnt get out there and really campaign a whole lot more. (The polls were telling them they needed to do it, too...)
I can. The GOP doesn’t want to be in charge with the economy collapses. The elites of both parties know that consumerism is just about done in this country.
We have a huge class of people who were raised on welfare and that’s the only way of life they know.
We have automated, rightsized, downsized, and outsourced all the good manufacturing jobs.
People who work in America can’t afford to buy things made in America.
Our banking system is based on credit from the Fed using fiat currency. The banks think the best way to make money is to charge fees to small account holders every time they touch their own money.
Even if we created full employment through some Manhattan Project like building a Death Star or opening up the whole country to drilling, most Americans think they’re too good for a job in an oil field or they are too fat and/or diseased to do the work. Then, we have the welfare class people who would demand the good job, but wouldn’t do anything once they had it except fake a back injury to get some disability.
As I said, the GOP doesn’t want to be in charge of this. But, this is exactly the country that the Dems have been creating for 50 years, so they’ll lie, cheat, steal, and kill to be in charge so they can “save” us when the house of cards falls by offering us the “Workers’ Paradise” and then shoving it down our throats at gunpoint.
“In other words, a R candidate who ARTICULATES well and, yes, does reach out to the D party base.....
That would be fine, but this is no longer the country of Ronald Reagan, and it never will again be.
The givers will continue to flee, as I did.
The takers will continue to metastasize.
Reach out to the D party BASE? Only if you have hand’s full of other peoples goodies.
The USA will become the USSA, a floundering pool of takers.
you may well be correct
but i still believe it is possible for a reasonable, non-Communist candidate to be elected if he or she
articulates well that a prosperous economy can provide a better life than the welfare office
if I am wrong about that, then your prediction is undoubtably what will happen. I’ll sure appreciate it if we can have at least one election where at least one candidate articulates (well) a good message.... if only to test this out
i just replied to another person here and almost have to say the same thing again, alas, that I can only BELIEVE and HOPE that we get at least one capable, articulate candidate who explains well how working (job or small biz venture) can provide people with much better lives than just collecting the dole
I believe that SOME of the socalled “takers” will agree, if the message is delivered well to their attention
we only need to win over SOME of those votes!
Now then, if my hope is misplaced, or if it is indeed correct that “this is no longer the country of Reagan” and I’m living in the past, then you’re undoubtably correct.
I just hope that we are given the opportunity of a candidate who will get out there and really campaign vigorously, and articulate well. Even if only to test whether my hopes have any chance, or if I’m hopelessly naive.
I feel deprived, disappointed, and yes even discouraged... in that we haven’t had a good candidate articulating things at all well, for years and years....
What this country needs is a President who's epileptic. A Vice President who's had brain surgery three times ~ unsuccessfully. A Majority Leader who thinks budgets are funny pieces of paper (check and see if that dude has a brain ~ even a broken one might be better), and a Speaker who cries all the time.
Thank goodness the Dems didn't vote in Hillary Clinton. It really could be worse.
There are these people who think the AntiChrist will have a wound to his head that he miraculously survived ~ but maybe the Catholics are right, and the AntiChrist can have SEVERAL personalities ~ but simultaneously, giving us the idea they are the US government.
It is really sad to realize that there is no political solution to the problems we have due to the “free stuff” class numerical advantage due to subsidized govt. breeding programs. Washington cannot or will not govern, and our children/grand children will be impoverished with debt they cannot repay.
Our 20%+ real unemployment rate isn’t the result of too good a dole. We have actual, systemic unemployment, with 53% of college graduates in recent years not having employment of any kind. That, BTW, is Greek type unemployment for youth in this country ~ so laugh about it all you want ~ just a matter of time until they self organize and the fires start.
>>I just hope that we are given the opportunity of a candidate who will get out there and really campaign vigorously, and articulate well.
What would their message be to the welfare class? They may be Takers, but they see it differently. They see themselves as some oppressed underclass who never got a break. Yeah, its all a lie fed to them by their Democrat masters, but that’s their perception and therefore their reality.
Even the ones who break out and get a job usually work for less than $10/hr as the people on our side tell them that labor is an expense and all profits need to go to the owner/shareholders. We tell the workers that it is our goal to make them work for the least amount of money that we can possibly pay and still get them to return to work tomorrow.
Meanwhile, on the Democrat Plantation, they are told that they have value as human beings just for existing and “here’s a check, an EBT card, free healthcare, a Pell Grant, and an Obamaphone to prove it.”
Our side tells them that they are an expense that cuts into the bottom line and the other side tells them that they are valuable just because they alive. How do we beat that message with just words?
we beat that message (for SOME, not all) of them, by
NOT adopting or acceding to the mis- charactizations of the communist left (about how workers are mere expenses to be minimized and thusly “are not valued,” etc.)...
The alternative also needs to be described clearly, namely a life on the dole which, while perhaps (a bit too ?) attractive in the short term, is neither sustainable nor conducive with having, making, living a real life of one’s own
All I am saying is that the R party should not adopt the slanted rhetoric of the extreme Left. Also, that it should clearly articulate the opportunities for better lives that its policies can offer people.
Otherwise, yes, America is indeed doomed, we certainly agree on that!
For the sake of the record, I am not laughing about any of this krap.
Also, maybe students should be wise enough to take some classes that will equip them with some real job skills ?
No nation can support millions of sociology or ethnic studies or ancient Sumerian literature graduates (or especially any more “community organizers” whatever the hell that is).....lacking any genuine employable skills....
For some of today’s graduates, I have empathy as they have prepared themselves well in college and maybe can’t find jobs. For others, they were, frankly foolish to take ALL or almost all BS classes without any relevance to real world jobs (or going into business for themselves).
It is not all 100 percent one explanation. It is a combination. As desirous as I am to hire Americans, I would not hire at least half of the graduates of our local state university for much of anything. So many of them have so little to offer and have such an unproductive orientation or group of attitudes, I’d be foolish trying to hire them.
This is why so many jobs are going to immigrants these days.... NOT so much because they are “willing to work for less” (although some of our American graduates do expect unrealistically high starting wages), but it is because many of the immigrants display the things employers need and want the most...some real job skills/preparation... plus positive work attitudes.
The wages are secondary, really, in many hiring decisions. Many people would be surprised at this. Yes, wages count but they are very often LESS important than some real job skills, reliability, and a generally-positive work attitude.
Many of the graduates of the state university do not exhibit these factors when they present themselves for interview.
If you were hiring, you’d quickly start looking for just about the same things....
Turn off the government tit and watch them scurry.
>>NOT adopting or acceding to the mis- charactizations of the communist left (about how workers are mere expenses to be minimized and thusly are not valued, etc.)...
We don’t need politicians to tell people that. We need employers to tell people that and then prove that they mean it. I have a very high-skilled job as an automation programmer at a utility company. My work allows us to have about half the workforce that we’d need without the automation.
But, once a year, we all get herded into a room where the annual budget gets explained and they simply show our pay and benefits as an expense. I always raise my hand and ask how much we would have in the gross receipts column if us “expenses” weren’t here making the power and water flow to the customers.
I can do that because, whether they admit it or not, I have a lot of value. Imagine if I was a guy who lays water pipe and I asked the CEO that? They’d show me the door and find a new ditch-digger. That’s the value that today’s employers place on a worker.
No amount of “message” is going to get a low-wage worker or welfare recipient to think that he’s more valuable to the GOP than he is to the Democrats.
This is why America is doomed and why the GOP does not want to be in the White House.
Even in Kalipornia the takers are doing just fine. Look at the DC area, its a boomtown on money looted from the rest of the country
You think government "make-work" jobs will help the economy?
Every company tries to be efficient. This is just part of how real world works. But a company that doesn’t communicate that it values its workers (who, after all, would already have been let go if their work wasn’t appreciated) is poorly managed. I cannot defend poor management.
What came after the OR in that sentence (that you conveniently left off)? But, if we needed a Death Star, then it wouldn’t be a make-work job, would it?
>> I cannot defend poor management.
I’m not defending anyone. I’m just trying to explain why a “message” from an articulate GOP candidate will fall on deaf ears. I don’t agree with their beliefs, but I do understand what they believe.
Competing with the Democrats to see who can be the biggest sugar daddy is not going to work either, so we have to face reality that there is no way a GOP presidential candidate can win until AFTER the economy improves and people start working again and the labor market actually becomes competitive again. And it won’t improve with Dems in charge, so we’re screwed.
I have been off FR for some time since the election. I had to take a break but also feel that it does no good to talk. I am waiting for the inevitable conflict. It will not come though until they have taken all that anyone has.
So much to say that has been said but I see the attitude as one of pure ignorance, greed, stupidity and sloth. When in Nigeria the predominant attitude was that if all the oil money were simply distributed equally all troubles would end. I pointed out that all the oil income divided by all the population was an immaterial amount to anyone. Some realized it as true most refused to believe it. Same here. We are now headed down the drain led by weak minds. I think the root of it is loss of Godly principles. God does not take well to those who steal from or live on the labor of others. Without that Godly fear there is no honor, decency or right.
“Beneath his pronouncements and anger was clearly resentment, and I’m quite sure that resentment is a huge component of what motivates many on the left.”
Exactly, resentment borne of sin. Sin from the absence of Godly principles.
The first reaction to success is not self recrimination but self-pity and excuses for failure.
I’m sure you see it in your patients... they look for excuses about their misfortune in something someone else did and not bad choices in lifestyle.
I see no place to and ride it out. We will be pulled into the maelstrom and ride it all the way to the bottom.
Government spending is not going to help the economy, only private economic activity - investment- can do that
You have well and rightly spoken. It’s done. Being an outlier is indeed a blessing in these times.
When I found out that he voted for obama, we would have parted company.
Yes, almost all business at best pays lip service to the value of labor. One reason is greed the other is knowing that labor will take obscene advantage of anyone who tries to meet them reasonably.
good managers both tell workers they’re appreciated, they do appreciate them. It is not a fable to good managers. (This doesn’t mean the same thing as giving away the store. That’s neither germane nor practical. )
As long as our government is able to borrow over a trillion dollars per year I don't know that a sufficient number of people will believe that, no matter how well articulated.
After a sufficient amount of time passes AFTER the government ceases borrowing such sums, then there will be a shift away from the entitlement mentality. I just don't believe it can happen without the pain and suffering that I see ahead.
I see many Detroits in our future.
and they don’t reach for the layoff lever every time there is a problem with profits.
Yes, It is clearly headed the way you envision. (And economics being what it is, the break point, when it arrives, could happen very quickly.)
Agreed! (Some businesses pay out a large part of revenues in wages. The more labor costs in a biz, the quicker that probably has to be trimmed or cut when cuts become necessary due to lower revs or higher taxes/other costs. But yes, look to see if revs can be boosted first or if there are other expenses that can be reduced. )