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And they say Wayne LaPierre is crazy? Iíll show you crazy.
Flopping Aces ^ | 12-23-12 | DrJohn

Posted on 12/23/2012 2:12:55 PM PST by Starman417

After tragedies there is often a call for action – any action- regardless of how ineffective it might be. This week Wayne LaPierre of the NRA made a speech in which he called for armed cops in schools and it was ridiculed by Sen. Richard Blumenthal and Sen-elect Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Blumenthal called it “sadly and shamefully inadequate.” Murphy called it “revolting and tone-deaf.” The New York Daily News called LaPierre the “craziest man on Earth.” Let’s examine those accusations.

Among LaPierre's remarks:

- We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, court houses, even sports stadiums are all protected by armed security.

- We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, court houses, even sports stadiums are all protected by armed security.

- A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.

So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?

Crazy, right?

Right now 30% of schools have a police officer. Police chiefs in both St. Louis and Cincinnati have called for training and arming teachers. President Bill Clinton passed a program called “COPS in schools” and it placed 2200 police officers in schools. You may have read that the attack at Columbine wasn’t prevented by a police officer, but ask anyone blurting that out if Columbine would have been better off without a police officer present. Who knows how many more would have been killed without a cop present? Neil Gardner, the cop who was on duty at Columbine on the day of the attack thinks armed cops in schools is a good idea.

Are they all crazy?

Gun free zones? They are magnets for killers. John Lott writes:

"With just one single exception, the attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns."

This from the NY Times:

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1 posted on 12/23/2012 2:13:06 PM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417
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No. Post it here, pimp daddy.

2 posted on 12/23/2012 2:16:09 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Starman417
The gun free schools act passed in the late 1990s at the DEMAND of Bill Clinton turned the schools into a shooting gallery.
3 posted on 12/23/2012 2:21:02 PM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: Starman417

Our nation is becoming dominated by a majority with a mob mentality following their leader like a cult.

Rational discourse and use of logic and facts on almost any subject is totally rejected by rabid name callers.......

This is the beginning of the end, and I’m afraid we are past the turning point. It took a few more years (28) than George Orwell expected, but it is here.

And there isn’t one leader on our side with the will and ability to stand up against it.......


4 posted on 12/23/2012 2:27:55 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: humblegunner

The bloggers that post there articles here sure do a lot more to make this webiste interesting than you do.

I think I’ll click his link a bunch of times just to say thanks.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 2:31:10 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Starman417

the problem with Columbine was that Neal Gardner was not at the cafeteria that day but down the street and around the block watching the kids in the smoking area when it started. i think had he been at the cafeteria he could have stopped it then ...


6 posted on 12/23/2012 2:32:17 PM PST by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: Starman417

There was no armed guard at Columbine when Harris and Kliebold assaulted the school. The officer was not even on school grounds. He did return in time to shoot at Harris a couple of times which probably saved some lives but the police in general did not distinguish themselves at Columbine. They should have breached the building immediately.


7 posted on 12/23/2012 2:34:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: chris37
I think I’ll click his link a bunch of times just to say thanks.

So you're in favor of using FRee Republic as a free advertising platform for scumbag bloggers.

Good for you that you have chosen the side of the scumbags.

At least you have chosen a side.

What other aspects of scumbagism do you support?

8 posted on 12/23/2012 2:39:09 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Starman417

I’ll just repeat myself again, a “gun free zone” is a target in search of a mass murderer, and a brain dead stupid policy.

It’s about time that the politicians agree to stop standing in the way of protecting our children, and insure that the children get the same A-1 protection afforded to the politicians.

If they want law abiding American citizens to give up their right to self defense, and to continue to deny the right of defense to our children, then I have one thing to say: YOU FIRST, YOU BRAIN DEAD STUPID POLITICIAN.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 2:43:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: jwalsh07
They should have

Hindsight is always 20-20.

10 posted on 12/23/2012 2:45:57 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Arlis

You read my thoughts.


11 posted on 12/23/2012 2:46:16 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: humblegunner

No, I am in favor of reading interesting news stories, reports and thoughts on those stories and reports.

That’s why I come here.

Didn’t Freerepublic post that it wanted blogger reports and the like a while back?


12 posted on 12/23/2012 2:49:37 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: greeneyes

> YOU FIRST, YOU BRAIN DEAD STUPID POLITICIAN.

The politicos crying the loudest for “gun control” have guards armed with full auto machine pistols and body armor.

They are filthy, lying, hypocritical PIGS!


13 posted on 12/23/2012 2:51:23 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Arlis

I fear that tyranny is gaining a foothold in America.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 2:55:21 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: Alaska Wolf

It’s not hindsight, it’s a policy decision. ROE for cops changed after Columbine. ROE in most places now calls for immediate entry into schools. For reasons that are evident.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 3:04:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jrd
Well, according to the Governor's report on Columbine, both Gardner and an unarmed guard named Andy Marton were eating lunch in Gardner's patrol car. They were parked somewhere in the parking lot and had no clue that the perps were shooting in the school. They learned that from a janitor calling from inside the school. They then drove around to the side where Gardner exchanged shots with one of the murderers. He then waited for the SWAT team.

Had Gardner been inside, maybe it might have ended differently

16 posted on 12/23/2012 3:08:31 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Westbrook

They are filthy, lying, hypocritical PIGS!

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That’s true, In addition to being BRAIN DEAD STUPID, they are exactly what you said.


17 posted on 12/23/2012 3:10:41 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: chris37

Cry to management about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2776537/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2722423/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2636843/posts?page=552#552

How does a blog get “news stories”?

They have no staff, they simply reword MSM stuff.

Supporting them is simply helping wankers pull off a bit of theft.

Piss on 94.8% of blogs.


18 posted on 12/23/2012 3:12:51 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Starman417

I don’t do recreational drugs so I wish the crazies at the New Yawk Daily Snooze would tell us how the guns can be held responsible for the Sandy Hook murders. My guns have never gone out on their own to shoot people. It’s the people, stupid! The people our society has created with its “tolerance” and “anything goes” attitude.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 3:17:05 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: greeneyes

Gun Free Zones: aka killing fields...........


20 posted on 12/23/2012 3:19:29 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: greeneyes

Gun Free Zones: aka killing fields...........


21 posted on 12/23/2012 3:19:40 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: jwalsh07
ROE for cops changed after Columbine

What is ROE?

We'd never experienced a Columbine previously.

We had kids bring their .22 rifles to school. We had rifle teams in our high schools in Alaska with indoor shooting ranges and never had a problem.

22 posted on 12/23/2012 3:28:24 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: deweyfrank

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm


23 posted on 12/23/2012 3:35:18 PM PST by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: Alaska Wolf
I knew Wayne was going to catch it. He is the voice crying in the wilderness. Wayne is a very upstanding moral person. It is not that the rank and file, lib, don't hear what Wayne says, it is because they don't want to believe what Wayne says.

Wayne if you are tuned in, God Bless you and your family, have a nice quiet Christmas, and this goes for all of the Board of Directors of NRA.If it wasn't for you guys,we would be defenseless

24 posted on 12/23/2012 3:37:48 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

ROE: Rules Of Engagement.


25 posted on 12/23/2012 3:49:45 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Starman417
It wasn't 90 minutes after the kids were slaughtered that the liberals were calling for gun control. The bodies of the dead weren't even cold before the liberals and gun control nuts were calling for a total gun ban. Hypocrites.
26 posted on 12/23/2012 3:51:19 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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Dear Daily News,

In response to your headline, “Vile NRA nut blames everyone and everything EXCEPT the GUNS”

I performed a scientific experiment regarding the sort of gun used in the CT elementary school shooting.

First, a description of the environment: My apartment bedroom, in a suburb less than 3 blocks from a high school, and less than 6 blocks from an elementary school. Over the weekend, I loaded my Ruger Vaquero, a single action revolver, with a single round of ammunition, positioning the cylinder so the round would be fired should the revolver “try anything.” This is as close as I can some to a single shot weapon, and the hammer must be drawn back before the round can be fired. I then left the revolver on my bed for 3 hours, and at no time did it try to attack me or any of the school children.

Next, I loaded a 30 round magazine for my “clone” AR-15 (identical to the Bushmaster used in the murders) with 30 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition (again, nearly identical to the ammunition used), inserted the magazine and chambered a round. I left the AR-15 in the same place where I had left the revolver, and at no time did the AR-15 attempt to attack me or any of the nearby school children.

From my observations, I can detect no animosity or propensity for either of these weapons to attack anyone, let alone young children. Now, I suppose that one could claim that my “scientific experiment” was flawed, since school was not in session. and I will concede to that, should someone actually be crazy enough to claim it.

The simple fact is that inanimate objects can NOT be blamed for anything, unless they malfunction, and that doesn’t appear to be the case. Just like you don’t blame a match for starting a forest fire, nor the paper clip which burned your fingers when little, after sticking it into a light socket. It’s not the fault of a hammer when you use it improperly and crush your finger. It’s not the fault of the saw which cuts off your hand due to your ineptitude with power tools.

The simple fact is a gun is an inanimate object, a tool. And as with any tool, it can be used for good or evil. Bad people have a propensity for using tools to do evil. Good people can put those same tools to use to save lives and property. I suggest you ask any of the Korean shop owners in LA after the Rodney King riots if they “needed” their so-called “assault weapons” when confronting mobs alone, after the police evacuated much of the city. Find out if the people who lost their businesses if they could have uses a weapon, preferably one that could protect them against a mob. I would guess that Reginald Denny might have liked to have the option of having one with him, to give him a chance to protect himself from the mob that stopped his truck, dragged him out, beating him and hitting him in the head with a brick.

I contend that the moron who came up with the headline is the greatest idiot on earth.

Mark


27 posted on 12/23/2012 3:55:55 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: jrd
Thanks for that. Much easier to read than the Gov’s report.
28 posted on 12/23/2012 3:56:47 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Starman417

Sens. Murphy and Blumenthal should declare their offices and personal space gun free zones and order their security to disarm. Only fair.


29 posted on 12/23/2012 3:57:00 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: jrd
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

Thanks for posting, I'd never seen that. It's hard to imagine being involved in a similar scenario. It's always easy to look back and say, could have, would have, should have.

30 posted on 12/23/2012 4:03:58 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: basil

Gun Free Zones: aka killing fields
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Killing fields is a darned good description - that’s just what they are.


31 posted on 12/23/2012 4:04:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: deweyfrank
Had Gardner been inside, maybe it might have ended differently

Just like if Susanna Gratia, or any other diner at the Luby's had been allowed to legally carry a concealed handgun in Texas, or if there had been a single armed commuter on the train with Collin Ferguson, the results may well have been very different, including not having Carolyn Mcarthy as a congress-critter.

Mark

32 posted on 12/23/2012 4:07:53 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: BooBoo1000
Wayne if you are tuned in, God Bless you and your family, have a nice quiet Christmas, and this goes for all of the Board of Directors of NRA.If it wasn't for you guys,we would be defenseless

I'll second that and extend Best Wishes to all NRA members, freedom fighters and defenders of liberty and the 2nd Amendment.

33 posted on 12/23/2012 4:09:03 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Starman417

Assigning responsibilty or blame to inanimate objects is the province of idiots.


34 posted on 12/23/2012 4:10:43 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Alaska Wolf
We had kids bring their .22 rifles to school. We had rifle teams in our high schools in Alaska with indoor shooting ranges and never had a problem.

In 1975, I was on the SouthWest High School JROTC Rifle Team, and we practiced with rifles in the school basement every day. And in my freshman year, I had a speech class where we had to do a demonstration, using "props," and mine was on gun safety. I did have to get permission, but I brought a rifle and a shotgun to school. I did have to keep them in the office before and after the class, but I brought them from home on the school bus (needed permission for that too).

But that was in Kansas City, MO in 1975.

Mar

35 posted on 12/23/2012 4:13:09 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Obadiah

“I fear that tyranny is gaining a foothold in America.”

The goal of the promised fundamental transformation is tyranny, a Socialist Autocracy.


36 posted on 12/23/2012 4:14:19 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: jrd

From your link (you beat me to it). Despite what the MSM and Dem Dolts have been saying all day, I consider this proof that the armed deputy saved lives by distracting one of the killers several times to exchange fire thus allowing some students to escape, and also causing the killer to expend rounds not at students:

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

As Gardner stepped out of his patrol car, Eric Harris turned his attention from shooting into the west doors of the high school to the student parking lot and to the deputy. Gardner, particularly visible in the bright yellow shirt of the community resource officer uniform, was the target of Harris’ bullets. Harris fired about 10 shots from his rifle at Gardner before his gun jammed. Although Gardner’s patrol car was not hit by bullets, two vehicles that he was parked behind were hit by Harris’ gunfire. Investigators later found two bullet holes in each of the cars.

Officer Exchanges Gunfire

Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. “Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me.”

By 11:30, within four minutes of Gardner’s reports of shots being fired in the building and the need for additional units, six Jefferson County deputies, including Gardner, were on scene. Gardner had already exchanged gunfire with Harris twice, once when Harris shot at him as he arrived in the south parking lot and again from inside the west entrance doors. Smoker had shot at Harris during the second exchange between Gardner and Harris. Taborsky, Smoker and Searle were providing immediate cover and evacuating students as they fled the school. Searle, with the help of Sheriff’s Deputy Neal Schwieterman and several Denver officers, gave first priority to the wounded, transporting them in their patrol cars to emergency medical triage being set up to the south. The armed deputies had also set up an inner perimeter around the school, covering the school exits on the south, west and east sides in case the suspects would attempt to escape.

Gardner called dispatch. All units around him were under fire.


37 posted on 12/23/2012 4:16:11 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Alaska Wolf

My Brother took his .22 Rifle to School on Long Island, New York back in the late 50’s.

They had a Range in the Gym Basement for the Shooting Club.

He never had a problem carrying his Rifle to School. No shocked faces, no Police, no Media reports, just another day in the America that used to be.


38 posted on 12/23/2012 4:17:00 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Elsiejay

A free country has a government that is created by and constrained by laws. A dictator or tyrant circumvents those laws, or ignores them entirely. Kind of like what Obamugabe is doing.


39 posted on 12/23/2012 4:35:05 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: humblegunner

The only one that cries about blogs around here is you, humblegunner.

In fact that seems to be your sole purpose here. Hopefully it’s not your sole purpose in life, because that would just be sad.

See you around.


40 posted on 12/23/2012 4:50:52 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Seizethecarp

here is a link to a map showing the park and the road he would have had to drive to and from
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=HeI&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1024&bih=629&tbm=isch&tbnid=tylCAY3WTPs1BM:&imgrefurl=http://www.topoquest.com/place-detail.php%3Fid%3D178669&docid=u88kVA6HhDsUJM&itg=1&imgurl=http://www.topoquest.com/place-detail-map.php%253Fid%253D178669&w=384&h=384&ei=uqzXUPuNEo6k8QSuoIGIBQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=235&sig=108049753233998595903&page=2&tbnh=141&tbnw=141&start=15&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:19,s:0,i:147&tx=66&ty=91


41 posted on 12/23/2012 5:34:06 PM PST by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: jrd

Thanks for the map.

Criminals are deterred by NOT knowing exactly who is armed among the people they intend to victimize. At Columbine, the killers knew Gardner’s whereabouts by knowing whether his security car was in the lot in its usual place, or not, and could time their attack when he was gone, as I believe they did.

But they also knew to expect him back and to prepare to ambush him, which they did. Just knowing he was coming back armed diverted their attention at least partially from killing students.

What if the killers didn’t know how many administrative staff in the school were also carrying? What if it could have been quite a few, in addition to the visible deputy?


42 posted on 12/23/2012 5:53:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Rules of Engagement. I grew up in NYC and went to high school in the suburbs. Rifle team members like my cousin brought their rifles on the bus. And this is liberaltopia though it was 45 years ago.


43 posted on 12/23/2012 8:10:50 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Starman417

End the deadly gun free zone loophole.


44 posted on 12/23/2012 9:05:47 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Starman417

THIS IS CRAZY -

It happens in Ct where there are very strict gun control laws and in a ‘gun free zone’!

NOW obzoz and his libtards want strict gun control for the entire country so this will happen often ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY!


45 posted on 12/24/2012 4:53:02 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: chris37
The only one that cries about blogs around here is you, humblegunner.

And here you are crying about my posts.

What's the difference? You see something you don't like and post accordingly.

Same same.

46 posted on 12/24/2012 6:16:26 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

My eyes are dry.

The blogger’s threads have purpose. They inform.

Yours don’t seem to have any.

I mean, one would think if freerepublic cared that bloggers were linking and excerpting their blogs here, then freerepublic would ban them and stop that practice, but they are not banned, so...yeah.


47 posted on 12/24/2012 8:45:21 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Starman417

Stopped buying the NY Post yesterday, when they called LaPierre a gun nut on the front page. Used to buy the Daily News sometimes when they were out of the Post—never will again.

Started buying the Journal at twice the price. It’s not pure but it doesn’t scream nonsense at passersby on its front page.

Also tried to join the NRA but its website was not working—probably too many hits. Will try to join by phone after Christmas.

I’ll do whatever I can. Sign petitions, whatever. This shooting in Newtown is what the Left has been waiting for and we can’t let them win this one.


48 posted on 12/24/2012 8:58:55 AM PST by firebrand
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To: chris37
I mean, one would think if freerepublic cared that bloggers were linking and excerpting their blogs

I guess you didn't read the links I provided.

Regardless, you are certainly free to object to my posts just as I am free to object to blogpimps.

Now dry your little eyes and have a merry Christmas.

49 posted on 12/24/2012 9:41:56 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

You guessed correctly.

Except about needing to dry my eyes.

Merry Christmas to you too, humblegunner.


50 posted on 12/24/2012 10:02:34 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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