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To: butterdezillion

I admire your efforts.

Sometimes I have knowingly fought losing battles in order to make a point, to do what’s right.

I’m looking at this more philosophically. So much more is involved than legalities, crucial as they are.

Obama is the President of the United States in all the ways that count, in practice if not in law. The people that have to accept him as President in order for him to function as one, do accept him. It would be like a fake doctor who has been a doctor for long enough to have been accepted as real by his colleagues and all who count. You are backtracking, talking about credentials to run, eligiblity for the ballot, fraudulent documents etc. while from back in ‘08 he has been generally accepted as the President-Elect or the President.

That perception of him, and how he or any President functions under our system, is going to rule the day. Any other thought would be unthinkable to those who to this very moment are meeting with him hoping against hope to avoid “the fiscal cliff”, for example.

If Obama weren’t eligible to be sworn in, what would happen to the Presidency?

Under such a scenario, who would function in that role?

VP Biden?? Or would the ticket be ineligible as well? I won’t get into those weeds here, but you could make a case that Biden is not fit to serve as President, and that Biden was part of a larger conspiracy to elect a fraud, Obama, which he would then benefit from by becoming President himself.

Also, in terms of the 50 states and their SOSs and their AGs being amenable to handling this, I would hate to be the person who was empowered to INVESTIGATE the particulars of this alleged crime. You might believe that the affadavit by the individual calling the BC a forgery makes this open and shut, and that speaking with him would be the only action needed. I don’t think so. That is on the side of the accusation against Obama. Obama has a legal side in this, too. And to investigate this from Obama’s side you would need to pursue interviews with him and people around him and all sorts of other issues. Remember when they suspected Scooter Libby and Karl Rove of an illegal leak and those two got their own attorneys and were questioned by investigators and brought before Grand Jurys etc.

Remember when Bill Clinton ran into his legal problems, that Clinton had a definite “side” in the matter. Finally in the end only the judge in whose court he made false statements held him accountable, and that in a minor way (ultimately law license suspended and he was in contempt of the proceedings in her court). Chump change.

How I would hate to try to investigate the potential defendant’s side in this matter. State SOSs and AGs trying to individually pursue this against the interests of the President of the United States??

The only way to avoid such due process mindnumbing hurdles would be if the case became a federal case and the federal prosecutor in DC where Obama resides would pursue it. But as we all know, that will not happen.

Congress could investigate. That would be the House. But they are trying to deal with the occupier of the Oval Office on matters that must be dealt with, and they will have to deal with him after inauguration day as well. There has to be a President, under our system.

I know you are looking at this from the narrow legal perspective you laid out (issue: Presidential election ballot access) and are doing your best to go forward with.


There is so much more to it than that.

34 posted on 12/28/2012 11:17:33 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

The size of the problem is all the more reason it HAS to be addressed.

Right now Congress knows that Obama cannot qualify by Jan 20, 2013, unless his birth facts are legally determined. The starting point for all this is for a Congress-critter to file a lawsuit with standing so the evidence can be looked at and it can be determined whether he qualifies. That is the first step. We have to have that step. If we don’t have that, we have NOTHING. No rule of law. No America.

If, after a legal examination of all the records and explanations for the discrepancies thus far, it is found that he HAS qualified, then Congress has to deal with the crimes that have been committed - the forgeries, the perjury, the fraud, the threats, the destruction of legal records, etc.

If it is found that he has not qualified, then the courts have to figure out what that means regarding what has been unlawfully done for the past 4 years. And law enforcement begins the huge, huge task of investigating and prosecuting all the crimes committed.

That’s how it has to be, unless we concede that the rule of law is gone from this country. In which case, let’s just disband Congress and every law enforcement entity in the country already, since nothing they do matters anyway.

That’s where we’re at. And Congress and everybody else knows it.

35 posted on 12/28/2012 11:51:51 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: txrangerette

Ah, this Miracle on 34th st rational was recently used by one of our enlightened judges.

37 posted on 12/28/2012 12:32:31 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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