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Where and when did progressives start revising history?
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Posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:28 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

The book "The Great Tradition: Constitutional History and National Identity in Britain and the United States, 1870-1960" contains an interesting piece of information on page 141: (Chapter 6)

"With your belief that the revolutionary history must be re-written with reference to its social aspects, I am in entire agreement, tho' I am not sure I should raise unnecessary issues by calling the movement for self-government secondary to this as the primary movement." 18
The relevant footnote explains the source:
18. Turner to Becker, 25 March 1909, Box 7, Carl Becker papers, Carl A. Kroch Library, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY.

From the internet, the Becker papers are under lock and key. Too bad.

Becker is at the root of the progressives' historical revisionism with his 1909 book "History of Political Parties in the Province of New York". Well known revisionist Charles Beard would expand upon the work that Becker already laid down in his book "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States".

Becker's professor Frederick Jackson Turner is also an important figure in revisionist history, with his "Frontier Thesis". He sought to revise American history itself with a new explanation. This could easily be the source of the idea of revising for later revisionists, who went further into other places. As we see above, they did discuss it behind the scenes.

In constantly searching and digging for new information, I am finding out that the 60's(and late 50's) are surprisingly a good resource for knowledge about progressivism. As the revolutionaries, SDS, and all the rest were going bonkers there were people who were doing then just like we are doing now: looking and trying to learn from whence all of this came. The book Fabian Freeway that I just got done transcribing was published in the 60's. The book "Bending The Twig", detailing the nature of the subversion of American schools was published in 57. Then there's this book from '66: "The reinterpretation of early American history: essays in honor". The following is highlighted: (page 153)

The basic structure of the new interpretation was first worked out in detail in two studies of politics in the middle colonies in the years immediately preceding the Declaration of Independence: C. H. Lincoln, The Revolutionary Movement in Pennsylvania (1901), and Carl Becker, History of Political Parties in the Province of New York, 1760-1776 (1909). Lincoln and Becker found that politics in both Pennsylvania and New York was conditioned by deep-seated internal conflicts between rival social groups. In Pennsylvania there were "two opposing forces, one radical," composed of Scotch-Irish Presbyterians and Germans in the west and non-Quaker lower and middle-class Philadelphians in the east, and the other "conservative," consisting of the Quaker mercantile oligarchy in the east

In reading through parts of Charles Lincoln's book, it becomes fairly evident that the author certainly gets it right about the structure of the book. On page 98 is this:

From our review of conditions in Pennsylvania we should expect to see the two opposing forces, one radical the other conservative, coming gradually into conflict. Into this opposition each party had been forced by the logic of events, for each sought its own advantage and the opposing forces had few common interests.

So using marxist or quasi-marxist ideology, Lincoln turns the people of the founding era into the first modern American soap opera of class conflict. Talk about classes and antagonisms is right out of the manifesto. From page 77:

Coincident with the growth of the discontent throughout the Susquehanna Valley there was developing in the city of Philadelphia a spirit of hostility to Quaker domination, only less important than the Scotch-Irish antagonism. Although there was not the feeling of self-reliance among the discontented inhabitants of the city, which was found in the frontier communities, there were bitter rivalries in Philadelphia accompanied by an extreme jealousy of the ruling aristocracy. It may fairly be doubted whether this opposition of the middle and lower classes to Quaker control would, of itself, have been able to make headway against the legal barriers which the sagacity of the early colonial leaders had erected ; but, like the German element throughout the west, the Philadelphia populace became a valuable ally of the interior counties in their struggle against the dominant conservatism of the province.

A great deal of the information that we are learning now through a myriad of authors, scholars, and researchers has already been learned. But in the 60's, the media was almost entirely dominated by university-trained journalists, all steeped in the Lippmann school of journalism. So all of this information in books like these which show us where to look, who, what, and so forth; was allowed to be lost. Now we need to re-learn it.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: progressingamerica

1 posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:32 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

2 posted on 12/28/2012 6:51:31 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

When cuneiform and clay tablets were developed.


3 posted on 12/28/2012 7:00:23 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: ProgressingAmerica
I recently read Charles Beard's “An Economic Interpretation . . ,” with the expectation a wild-eyed Marxist.

He showed that many of the affluent purchased government bills of credit at a discount. Okay, so what of it?

4 posted on 12/28/2012 7:05:32 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Chapter 3 ..

YEA, HATH GOD SAID .. ?

5 posted on 12/28/2012 7:08:29 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Josephine Pollard was already trying to correct the record that the progressives of her day were writing about George Washington in the early 1800s.

Freebie Kindle version here but they were teaching editions from the time.

The Life of George Washington in Words of One Syllable [Kindle Edition]
6 posted on 12/28/2012 7:11:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The dots are all there. It’s merely a matter of connecting them - which you are well doing.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 7:14:09 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Progressives started revising history as soon as there were progressives. I don’t know when that was, exactly, but you couldn’t avoid noticing them around the 1890s, I guess.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 7:17:33 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: ProgressingAmerica

when we let them


9 posted on 12/28/2012 7:18:58 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: cripplecreek

It’s a bit of a stretch, though, to call them progressives proper. Whatever they were that term is reserved for a later movement.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 7:21:52 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Jacquerie

Beard was no Marxist but his theory of economic causation was eagerly adopted by radicals of all stripes. You see the Klan/Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul types parroting the same arguments.

Beard was an isolationist who so strongly opposed US entry into WWII that he blamed FDR for the war to the complete exclusion of Hitler or Tojo. It gave him a well deserved reputation as a kook.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 7:37:05 AM PST by iowamark
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To: ProgressingAmerica

bump


12 posted on 12/28/2012 8:20:35 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

He who wins the battle, writes the history.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 8:39:34 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Can you please put me on this list. I really appreciate all the work you have been doing on this and have learned so much.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 8:48:49 AM PST by Albertafriend
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The Rise of Modern Propaganda
15 posted on 12/28/2012 9:34:14 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: bgill

re: “He who wins the battle, writes the history.”

Maybe, but he who is a college history professor not only re-writes history, but propagates the “new” history to thousands of students over 30 years, who then pass on it on thousands more, who then . . . and so on.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 10:02:32 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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Thanks ProgressingAmerica.
17 posted on 12/28/2012 10:10:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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