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Edmund Burke on Manners
The Imaginative Conservative ^ | Ian Crowe

Posted on 12/29/2012 5:03:02 AM PST by don-o

It took Edmund Burke a very little time to decide that French Revolutionary philosophy posed a massive threat to civilization and social stability throughout Europe. By the end of his life, eight years after the storming of the Bastille, his fears of Jacobin contagion had led him to ask for a secret grave, removed from his family sepulchre and hidden from those-the English Jacobins-who would plunder the lead from tombs for bullets to assassinate the living. In 1796 he wrote: “...out of the tomb of the murdered monarchy in France has arisen a vast, tremendous, unformed spectre, in a far more terrific guise than any which ever yet have overpowered the imagination, and subdued the fortitude of man.” He demanded nothing short of a war of extermination against this “armed doctrine.”

It is somewhat surprising, then, to find that this enormous threat brought out Burke’s most urgent defense of an aspect of civilization as trivial as “manners.” Of course, the very fact that we consider manners “trivial” was all part of the problem from the start, as far as Burke was concerned, and he felt driven to state his case unambiguously in his First Letter on a Regicide Peace (1796):“Manners are of more importance than laws. Upon them, in a great measure, the laws depend.” How can this apparent inversion of common sense be justified?

Manners are clearly not the same as laws. They are generally unwritten (unless we are talking about ritual), and they lack the regular, codified sanctions that support institutes and decrees. However, they have a similar function: in our small social communities and informal relationships they lay down expectations of behavior that facilitate the smooth-running and therefore expedite the purpose of these various bodies from the nuclear family to the shopping mall.


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1 posted on 12/29/2012 5:03:08 AM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

I posted only three paragraphs of a lengthy, well written piece.


2 posted on 12/29/2012 5:05:02 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o

Want to read the BEST DESCRPTION of the French Revolution and it’s consequences? Read Ann Coulter’s ....Demonic ....you’ll never forget it!


3 posted on 12/29/2012 5:22:31 AM PST by jimsin
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To: don-o

Maybe we’re in the third French Revolution and not the 2nd American Revolution.

Just saying.

IMHO


4 posted on 12/29/2012 5:31:30 AM PST by ripley
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To: jimsin

I’ll bet with just a teeny bit of effort you could give us a three sentence synopsis saving lots of time and money.


5 posted on 12/29/2012 6:45:00 AM PST by wita
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To: don-o

Well worth the time for reading. Thank you for posting it.


6 posted on 12/29/2012 8:38:14 AM PST by Toirdhealbheach Beucail (Am fear nach gheibh na h-airm 'n am na sith, cha bith iad aige 'nam a chogaidh)
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To: don-o
I'd heartily recommend Law and Manners by Lord Moulton.

I must ask you to follow me in examining the three great domains of Human Action. First comes the domain of Positive Law, where our actions are prescribed by laws binding upon us which must be obeyed. Next comes the domain of Free Choice, which includes all those actions as to which we claim and enjoy complete freedom. But between these two there is a third large and important domain in which there rules neither Positive Law nor Absolute Freedom. In that domain there is no law which inexorably determines our course of action, and yet we feel that we are not free to choose as we would

7 posted on 12/29/2012 8:50:51 AM PST by Vide
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To: wita

Book Description
From amazon.com

Release Date: August 7, 2012
The demon is a mob, and the mob is demonic. The Democratic Party activates mobs, depends on mobs, coddles mobs, publicizes and celebrates mobs—it is the mob. Sweeping in its scope and relentless in its argument, Demonic explains the peculiarities of liberals as standard groupthink behavior. To understand mobs is to understand liberals.

In her most provocative book to date, Ann Coulter argues that liberals exhibit all the psychological characteristics of a mob, for instance:

Liberal Groupthink: “The same mob mentality that leads otherwise law-abiding people to hurl rocks at cops also leads otherwise intelligent people to refuse to believe anything they haven’t heard on NPR.”

Liberal Schemes: “No matter how mad the plan is—Fraternité, the ‘New Soviet Man,’ the Master Race, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, Building a New Society, ObamaCare—a mob will believe it.”

Liberal Enemies: “Instead of ‘counterrevolutionaries,’ liberals’ opponents are called ‘haters,’ ‘those who seek to divide us,’ ‘tea baggers,’ and ‘right-wing hate groups.’ Meanwhile, conservatives call liberals ‘liberals’—and that makes them testy.”

Liberal Justice: “In the world of the liberal, as in the world of Robespierre, there are no crimes, only criminals.”

Liberal Violence: “If Charles Manson’s followers hadn’t killed Roman Polanski’s wife, Sharon Tate, Clinton would have pardoned him, too, and he’d probably be teaching at Northwestern University.”

Citing the father of mob psychology, Gustave Le Bon, Coulter catalogs the Left’s mob behaviors: the creation of messiahs, the fear of scientific innovation, the mythmaking, the preference for images over words, the lack of morals, and the casual embrace of contradictory ideas.

Coulter traces the history of the liberal mob to the French Revolution and Robespierre’s revolutionaries (delineating a clear distinction from America’s founding fathers), who simply proclaimed that they were exercising the “general will” before slaughtering their fellow citizens “for the good of mankind.”

Similarly, as Coulter demonstrates, liberal mobs, from student radicals to white-trash racists to anti-war and pro-ObamaCare fanatics today, have consistently used violence to implement their idea of the “general will.”

This is not the American tradition; it is the tradition of Stalin, of Hitler, of the guillotine—and the tradition of the American Left.

As the heirs of the French Revolution, Democrats have a history that consists of pandering to mobs, time and again, while Republicans, heirs to the American Revolution, have regularly stood for peaceable order.

Hoping to muddy this horrifying truth, liberals slanderously accuse conservatives of their own crimes—assassination plots, conspiracy theorizing, political violence, embrace of the Ku Klux Klan. Coulter shows that the truth is the opposite: Political violence—mob violence—is always a Democratic affair.

Surveying two centuries of mob movements, Coulter demonstrates that the mob is always destructive. And yet, she argues, beginning with the civil rights movement in the sixties, Americans have lost their natural, inherited aversion to mobs. Indeed, most Americans have no idea what they are even dealing with.

Only by recognizing the mobs and their demonic nature can America begin to defend itselfu


8 posted on 12/29/2012 9:23:40 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail

You’re welcome. I found the blog from a piece about Tolkien and have found lots of good stuff - foundational, basic type stuff.


9 posted on 12/29/2012 9:51:58 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
"...if you remember that while morals are all-important between the Lord and His creatures, what counts between one creature and another is good manners."
-- William Alexander Percy, Lanterns on the Levee: Memoirs of a Planter's Son
10 posted on 12/29/2012 10:27:01 AM PST by thecodont
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To: wita

‘I’ll bet with just a teeny bit of effort you could give us a three sentence synopsis saving lots of time and money.’

Read Preacher’s post #5

Wita? More like NIT Wita.....


11 posted on 12/29/2012 5:08:32 PM PST by jimsin
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To: preacher

EXACTLY ..... Preacher. It is fascinating how this genius, ANN COULTER compares and contrasts the French and American revolutions. I majored in history at an expensive, elite Ivy League university and believe me not one of the pointy headed tenureds there came close to the brilliant job she did in her book ‘Demonic’ it is sheer insightful genius!


12 posted on 12/29/2012 5:25:27 PM PST by jimsin
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To: jimsin

I’d say based on your sign in date you are overdue a lesson in manners. Apparently this thread didn’t help any.


13 posted on 12/30/2012 5:18:11 AM PST by wita
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To: don-o

I like manners. Manners are the best. Be careful, though, don’t hold manners to close to your crotch.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 9:13:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz
I'll see your reply to a thread from eleven days ago and raise you Observe and Serve: RESOLVE to SAVE the U.S.A. Free Republic Original Content | Jan 8, 2012 | By Laz A. Mataz
15 posted on 01/08/2013 9:27:02 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o
I'd be happy if folks drove in their own lane and chewed quietly with their mouths closed.

As a start, anyway...

16 posted on 01/08/2013 9:27:07 AM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: don-o
This is my theme music.
17 posted on 01/08/2013 9:31:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: don-o; BuckeyeTexan; onyx; penelopesire; TheMom; LUV W
Did you know that I hit each and every female freeper at the Texas shoot?

Didn't I, girls?

And, to a person, after I got done hitting them, they had an egnimatic, satisfied smile on their face.

18 posted on 01/08/2013 9:34:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: don-o

Sure, I’ll listen to the guy who shot the dude on the $10 bill tell me about manners.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 9:35:59 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lazamataz; BuckeyeTexan; onyx; TheOldLady; penelopesire; TheMom; don-o

Well, more of a grin than a smile, and more of “what the heck” rather than enigmatic,and more “there goes Laz again instead” of “satisfied”, but yes. The rest of the story is true. LOL!


20 posted on 01/08/2013 9:47:17 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: LUV W; don-o
See, don-o? I got a way with the ladies.

This is me being all suave and irresistable to women.

21 posted on 01/08/2013 9:53:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

Busta move like that and I MIGHT be enigmatic...might.... :)


22 posted on 01/08/2013 10:13:58 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Edumnd Burke shot Alexander Hamilton? Quite a weapon he must have had.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 11:05:40 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: LUV W; Lazmataz; onyx; BuckeyeTexan; TheMom; TheOldLady; All

LOL....Lordy mercy! Yep and once he had two of us at the same time...admiring his ‘glistening muscles swimming in the surf’ ,while we waited patiently in the sand for him to return to shore.

Laz never knew what hit him.....lol!!


24 posted on 01/08/2013 4:04:58 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire; Lazmataz; LUV W; BuckeyeTexan; TheMom; TheOldLady; All
LOL....Lordy mercy! Yep and once he had two of us at the same time...admiring his ‘glistening muscles swimming in the surf’ ,while we waited patiently in the sand for him to return to shore.

Laz never knew what hit him.....lol!!


"We" have pictures of THAT!
Plus, who took Laz swimsuit shopping? ROTFL.
Oh, the stories we could tell from the events of *that* day. Remember? I am almost in tears laughing...LOLOLOLOL.
25 posted on 01/08/2013 4:12:30 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

ROTFLOL!! Too bad we didn’t get a pic of Laz in the surf like the one of Obama in the surf.....lol! That would have been epic!


26 posted on 01/08/2013 6:56:05 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; NYTexan; mylife; Lazamataz; Jim Robinson; BuckeyeTexan; laurenmarlowe

What fun we had! Looking forward to the next chapter!


27 posted on 01/08/2013 7:35:38 PM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Lazamataz; onyx; penelopesire; TheMom; LUV W; TheOldLady

Yeah, I was first & last, baby. ;p


28 posted on 01/09/2013 5:36:09 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; don-o
That's right! I had you both on the beach! How romantical.... :)

don-o, eat yer heart out!

29 posted on 01/09/2013 5:43:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; onyx; don-o

Don’t forget, I slept with both of you each day of the 3 day shoot. Boy, I loved sleeping with both of you at the same time. :)


30 posted on 01/09/2013 5:44:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: onyx; penelopesire
Plus, who took Laz swimsuit shopping? ROTFL. Oh, the stories we could tell from the events of *that* day. Remember? I am almost in tears laughing...LOLOLOLOL

Great days!

31 posted on 01/09/2013 5:45:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Lazamataz

Color me jealous! *snork*


32 posted on 01/09/2013 6:35:48 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: LUV W

Gonna be fun!!


33 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:22 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire

I’m so ready!!


34 posted on 01/09/2013 12:06:54 PM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Lazamataz; don-o; BuckeyeTexan; onyx; penelopesire; TheMom; LUV W; TheOldLady

I was drunk the entire shoot ~ I don’t remember a darn thing.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 1:11:21 PM PST by TheMom (Stressed spelled backwards is Desserts!)
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To: TheMom

Yeah and You Never Even Called Me By My Name.

“Well, I was drunk the day my Mom got outta prison.
And I went to pick her up in the rain.
But, before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train!”


36 posted on 01/09/2013 1:45:32 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: penelopesire
ROTFLOL!! Too bad we didn’t get a pic of Laz in the surf like the one of Obama in the surf.....lol! That would have been epic!

I know it!

37 posted on 01/09/2013 2:19:09 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Lazamataz; BuckeyeTexan
Don’t forget, I slept with both of you each day of the 3 day shoot. Boy, I loved sleeping with both of you at the same time. :)

Tex, please correct his choice of words. Meanings matter!
LOLOLOL.

38 posted on 01/09/2013 2:23:05 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: LUV W

We’re already into January!
Next chapter: June!
:)


39 posted on 01/09/2013 2:24:14 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: TheMom

ROTFL. You kidder, you!
Ya sure did some fabulous cookin, sweet The Mom!


40 posted on 01/09/2013 2:25:36 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That there be one of the best drinking songs ever.


41 posted on 01/09/2013 2:58:09 PM PST by TheMom (Stressed spelled backwards is Desserts!)
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To: onyx; Lazamataz

Well, technically, he did sleep with both of us at the same time. Heh.

All -Laz shared a cottage with onyx and me. :)


42 posted on 01/09/2013 3:00:58 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: TheMom

That and Strokin’ by Clarence Carter. :)


43 posted on 01/09/2013 3:06:36 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: don-o

Boy, we accidentally hijacked your thread. Sorry, don-o.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 3:23:59 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Accident? Nope.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2973134/posts?page=14#14


45 posted on 01/09/2013 3:59:05 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o

Well, I apologize for my part in it.


46 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:14 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Apology accepted - FReepmail


47 posted on 01/09/2013 6:59:21 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Check your Freepmail! FW Rodeo invite. Hope you can come.


48 posted on 01/09/2013 7:02:25 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: TheMom

LOL!!


49 posted on 01/09/2013 7:05:38 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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