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Obama Likes Fiscal Cliff
The Virginian ^ | 12/30/2012 | Moneyrunner

Posted on 12/30/2012 3:15:39 PM PST by moneyrunner

For reasons that escape me, most people on Capitol Hill and members of the brain dead "Press Corpse uh Corps" seem to believe that Obama really wants a compromise to avoid going over the so-called “Fiscal Cliff.” The assumption is that Obama wants to raise taxes only on those making over $250,000 annually and would like to have something done about those sequestration laws.

Talk about living in a fantasy universe.

The “Fiscal Cliff” is tailor made for Obama. Keep in mind that the law which implements this tax hike and sequestration was recommended by a member of Obama’s administration.

So what will happen if the law is not changed? • Tax rates will go back to the rates we had in 2001. • Spending will be “cut” by $1 trillion over 10 years.

Let’s look at these results one at a time: raising taxes. First, I agree that raising taxes is not sound policy in an anemic economy and could bring on another recession in 2013. From Obama’s perspective higher tax rates will increase revenue to the treasury, allowing him to spend more. If it leads to a recession in 2013, so what? It isn't going to affect him.

Keep in mind that he's an incredibly lucky community organizer who ended up in his dream job. He’s got his job, his Air Force One, a large free house where he can host extravagant parties using his personal servants, taxpayer-paid vacations to luxury resorts for another 4 years, a very handsome pension and the ability to become ultra-wealthy the same way the Clintons did it after leaving the White House.

He's term-limited out so a bad economy doesn’t worry him from an electoral standpoint. In fact, a bad economy, higher unemployment and the economic ills that accompany it are is tailor made for a President who wants to increase government control over people. With millions more unemployed there are great opportunities for even longer unemployment benefits, more free cell phones, more food stamps, more people claiming social security disability benefits, even a broader version of ObamaCare. The press corps is not going to make him uncomfortable by asking pesky questions about his part in a stagnant economy; they’ll dutifully blame the Republicans.

Tell me again why he would not want to go with that.

Second, about that “spending cut.” Government is the only entity that argues with a straight face that spending more is spending less. If they planned to increase spending by a trillion dollars and they actually spend a trillion dollars minus a penny, that’s the government definition of a “drastic” spending cut. But if government spending is kept at roughly current levels, a “trillion dollar cut” over 10 years is actually a reduction of one hundred billion dollars a year. At one time that was a lot of money. Since the beginning of the Obama spending spree that’s a rounding error. If the Obama government saw one hundred billion dollars lying in the street, they would pass it by like you would pass a dirty penny.

But here’s the reason that Obama doesn’t mind the sequester: it falls largely on the military and Barack Obama wants to cut the military back. He believes that America is the cause of much of the world’s problems and most of that is attributed to America’s powerful military. So the sequester for him is a win-win. He gets to gut the military and blame the Republicans at the same time. How cool is that!

You can be confident that congress will not stand in the way of additional spending on social programs if the recession hits. They have to run for re-election. And if it doesn’t hit you can be sure that Obama will find any number of excuses to demand more for “his” people.

What I find incredibly frustrating is the picture of Republican congressional leaders trying to shift the blame for the fiscal cliff to Obama by complaining about his lack of leadership on the issue. First of all, it’s a stupid tactic because it elevates him to the position of the indispensable man. Why they would want to do that is beyond me. Second, they make it appear as if Obama actually wants a solution to the fiscal cliff when he’s perfectly fine with the solution he has now. They should have been accusing Obama of wanting to go over the fiscal cliff for months. That, at least, would have been the truth and would have gotten a different response from the Democrats and perhaps even Team Obama.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: fiscalcliff; obama

1 posted on 12/30/2012 3:15:50 PM PST by moneyrunner
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To: moneyrunner

Here’s what Boehner should do:

Have the House pass a permanent extension of the current Obama tax rates.
Tell Obama and Reid that there will be no discussion about increasing the debt ceiling until that Bill is passed by the Senate as is and signed into law by Obama

Adjourn.

That’s right, adjourn. Leave town. Go home. Stop talking to the press. Stop talking to the WH. Just leave.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 3:20:30 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: moneyrunner; All

Don’t give in GOP, go over the media’s stupid cliff

Layoff the whole federal government , also the EPA, IRS, FCC,HUD, FEC ,FDA, OFCCP, etc. , permanently

Hold the line , Republicans, never surrender


3 posted on 12/30/2012 3:20:59 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: moneyrunner
that committee of ten or whatever...created this and everything was tied to his re-election.

The Dems in the house....they're playing a game...they know the Pres and Senate hold ALL the cards. Such a farce.

4 posted on 12/30/2012 3:21:46 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: moneyrunner

The fiscal cliff works to “hide” Obamacare’s tax increases as well as provide a scapegoat (House Republicans) for the coming recession.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 3:22:14 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: moneyrunner

I agree with you. It goes a long way towards explaining why Zero and the Dems have been negotiating in bad faith.


6 posted on 12/30/2012 3:22:34 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: moneyrunner

Guess how Hitler came to power? Complete collapse of the German economy. Hitler’s self portrayal was of a savior of Germany. Dictators always need crisis, collapse, fear, and irrationality to gain power.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 3:24:55 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: moneyrunner
This will eventually break the bank,I thought it would have broken by now, the level of spending going on right now cannot continue.

When the crash comes, woe be unto any elected official, dem or repub, local, state, or federal.

8 posted on 12/30/2012 3:25:38 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Democrat_media

Agreed, on one condition:

If you are going to dissolve large sections of the wasteful federal government, you have to replace the jobs.

Privately.

Otherwise we will go from bad to terribly bad, in an employment picture.

I say dissolve away, but BRING BACK AMERICAN JOBS.

We have eliminated hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of American jobs and sent them all overseas.

Even with the huge explosion in federal hiring, we are still hurting. Imagine is fed hiring shrinks.

What we need is an immediate return to American jobs.

Now.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 3:27:35 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: moneyrunner

I agree with your analysis.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 3:30:23 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Adjustment:

Imagine “IF”: the third to the last line, second sentence.

“Imagine if fed hiring shrinks”.

:D


11 posted on 12/30/2012 3:31:08 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: moneyrunner

What ‘cuts’ did the GOP offer? Have they ‘cut’ anything in decades?


12 posted on 12/30/2012 3:32:28 PM PST by Theoria
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To: PapaNew
O has been a good student of Hitler, and Alinsky, etc.

He is reading Stalin's book now.

13 posted on 12/30/2012 3:33:14 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Just how do we “bring back jobs”?


14 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:13 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

When you disable and remove the hurdles on the Free Market that gov’t has had in place, you won’t have to worry about the economy booming or jobs being brought back to the US (I will give you the corp. tax rate should/needs to be brought back under check, heck, ZERO would be best).

Otherwise, I have no care for those that have existed on the gov’t teet for their existence.


15 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:23 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: moneyrunner

The Dems are BLUFFING.

They will show their hand ONLY when they see that the Republicans won’t, again, capitulate. They have a LOT MORE to fear from their wealthy Northeastern Liberal base than Republicans have to fear from their base, who simply want to see some discipline in budgeting, FOR ONCE.

And like it or not, the Fiscal Cliff will GREATLY reduce the deficit, as in something like $400B per year, simply because the poor and middle classes will be forced to START PAYING TAXES, again - while spending will see REAL CUTS.

The DEMS are the ones in panic mode, but they’re trying to hide it, in the (understandable) hope that the Republicans fold first.

And one more thing: I’m sick of playing good-cop / bad-cop with those bastards. We get yelled at for OVER A DECADE by the Northeastern Liberals for ‘irresponsibility’ of the Bush Tax Cuts. So the tax cuts are about to expire, and what happens - we get YELLED AT AGAIN, for not extending them.

Well screw them - if the Dems want the tax cuts extended so badly, then they vote to do so, ALL OF THEM. Otherwise they can TAKE A HIKE and explain to their lower and middle class voters why they’re getting reamed with increased taxes, because of the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich, as they’ve called them for 12 years.


16 posted on 12/30/2012 3:41:49 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: exnavy

There are a number of ways, I am just saying we need to bring back jobs.

I am not saying how. That is another discussion.

But if we eliminate some, we need to bring back others.

Or we are simply destroying jobs.
Which won’t win anything.

Ideally we should bring back more jobs than we eliminate.
Many more.


17 posted on 12/30/2012 3:42:13 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: moneyrunner
I say dive over the cliff just like Thelma and Louise.

Get the shi'ite over with and blame everyone in both houses of Congress AND Pres_ _ent Obomba.

Clear ALL of Washington DC out and get some people in there that will actually do things for the American PEOPLE and not their own reelection chances.

18 posted on 12/30/2012 3:43:05 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: exnavy
Just how do we “bring back jobs”?

By extending unemployment benefits, silly. /s

19 posted on 12/30/2012 3:43:05 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

OK I can understand that, what if the econimy goes into meltdown. The jobs that used to exist in gubmint are the last thing to worry about.


20 posted on 12/30/2012 3:44:42 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: exnavy

Precisely my point.

It is not simple, no question.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 3:46:12 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: P.O.E.

Yes, the gubmint can never run out of money!/sarc


22 posted on 12/30/2012 3:47:32 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: exnavy
Just how do we “bring back jobs”?

1.start with getting rid of the 100,000’s of pages of government regulations at all levels of government, get rid of the EPA, FDA, IRS , dept of energy for starters , then keep going. Get government out of the way of businesses, of starting businesses,

2. lower and flatten taxes rates(provides profit motive), eliminate many taxes. eliminate all property taxes, taxes on dividends , capital gains taxes. only a low flat tax 12% at federal level and existing sales taxes at local level

3.repeal most laws including those that mandate and enable unions, frivolous lawsuits ( loser pays ) etc.

That's for starters, how's that?

elect me as Pres

23 posted on 12/30/2012 3:48:45 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Can't bring back jobs until you get rid of the unions. And that won't happen, so the jobs go bye-bye.
24 posted on 12/30/2012 3:50:09 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

In that case the GOP ceases to exist.

I refuse to accept that.


25 posted on 12/30/2012 3:51:37 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Democrat_media

Or in simpler terms, follow the constitution, eliminating anything that doesn’t fit.


26 posted on 12/30/2012 3:53:01 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: BobL

Doesn’t it just frost you that none of the Repubs have ever called them the Bush Tax Cuts? Just doing that would change the narrative. Boehner is just the worst, the absolute worst.


27 posted on 12/30/2012 3:58:29 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: moneyrunner

Just read the headlines.
http://commieblaster.com/obama/index.html

“OBAMA WANTS 25 MILLION DEAD”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt3uabS-AZ8


28 posted on 12/30/2012 4:01:46 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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29 posted on 12/30/2012 4:09:58 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Mamzelle

“Doesn’t it just frost you that none of the Repubs have ever called them the Bush Tax Cuts? Just doing that would change the narrative. Boehner is just the worst, the absolute worst.”

SO TRUE!!! The Republicans could have had a field day asking why the Democrats want to extend the “Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich”.

But they STILL do not know how to play street ball with these people...they’re clueless.


30 posted on 12/30/2012 4:16:39 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: combat_boots

OBAMA TO GO FOR GUNS

‘THERE WILL BE RESISTANCE’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2973508/posts


31 posted on 12/30/2012 4:20:13 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The GOP is hell bent on self-destruction. It is too infested with liberals. This country doesn’t need 2 liberal parties. One of them will fold, and it is most likely going to be the Republicans.


32 posted on 12/30/2012 4:20:45 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

“Can’t bring back jobs until you get rid of the unions. And that won’t happen, so the jobs go bye-bye. “

DEAD RIGHT regarding unions - although there are some apologists on this site that refuse to see the damage done by them. All we can do is keep yelling from the hills and hope that, hopefully, some day things get better.

Although I agree it’s hard to be optimistic.


33 posted on 12/30/2012 4:26:46 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: moneyrunner

I agree with just about everything you’ve said with one exception: Obama knows that increasing taxes on everyone does nothing (except negative) for revenue.

I believe he and the Dems are going to immediately call for a tax-cut for everyone below $250K. The Dems will then “own” tax cuts, as far as the uneducated public is concerned.


34 posted on 12/30/2012 5:11:49 PM PST by Egon (Apparently, Jimmy Carter DOES need a third term.)
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To: exnavy

eiher way, the fiscal cliff is the end of the GOP. Either they get blamed for the recession that is coming or they capitulate and lose their base. Get ready for a generation or more of liberal rule.


35 posted on 12/30/2012 6:18:32 PM PST by Homer1
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To: oldtimer
He is reading Staltin's book now.

The deceiver is being deceived...

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13.

And you know who's behind all this...

...the devil that deceived them... Revelation 20:10.

36 posted on 12/31/2012 6:54:47 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Homer1
liberal STATIST rule

Let's start calling them who they are (lovers of the state, haters of individual freedom ("statism" from state+ism)) and quit calling them who they aren't ("liberal" means lover of freedom).

Going back to the turn of the 20th century and later to the 1960's, the "progressive" intellectual elite and the hippies respectively, talked about peace and love but were actually lovers of the state. From then until now, they've always hated your right to think and do as you please and loved government as a means of forcing their ideas on the rest of us. They're not "liberal" at all. They are statists - "vile" and "churlish," as scripture prophesied thousands of years ago in Isaiah 32.

The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he devises wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaks right. Isaiah 32:5-7.

We who love freedom, however, are libertarians, not capital "L" the party, but those who believe in individual liberty and government LIMITED to the protection of those freedoms.

But the liberal devises liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. Id. vs.8.

37 posted on 12/31/2012 7:36:03 AM PST by PapaNew
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