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What you’ll see in the rebellion
bob-owens.com ^ | 28 December, 2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 12/31/2012 9:54:19 AM PST by marktwain

Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.

Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter.

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An interesting view. I suspect that what the left is concerned about is not so much the existence of the firearms, but their legality. Make them illegal or registered, it does not matter. Then it is only a matter of a couple of generations, and you reduce gun ownership to political insignificance without door to door confiscations.

Gun registration is gun confiscation:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html

1 posted on 12/31/2012 9:54:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Expect a rash of boating accidents...


2 posted on 12/31/2012 10:02:46 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some cultures are destined to remain stupid and we need to quit trying to uplift them.)
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To: marktwain

These people should be looking over their shoulders everywhere they go.

This is not going to bode well for them. But hey, go ahead.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 10:02:58 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

From the article:
“While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.”
You mean the 0ne would have to give up golf? That won’t be pretty.....


4 posted on 12/31/2012 10:07:16 AM PST by STYRO (Hope you takers don't expect us producers to defend you. War sucks most for the losers.)
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To: marktwain
Not unlike the story available here.

www.zjstech.net/~ddixson/Unintended_Consequences.pdf

5 posted on 12/31/2012 10:07:47 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

There’s something deeply gratifying in reading this piece. I doubt it happens. Hoping it doesn’t, but I think there are enough people who enjoy liberty that they won’t give it up without vengeance.


6 posted on 12/31/2012 10:10:44 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain

I posted this yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2973374/posts

Gun confiscation is like making cars illegal to drive due to drunk drivers killing an estimate of 16,000 people killed...

Or Abortions - that kill an estimate of 1.2 million babies a yr...

But oh no...can’t have a weapon in the house that is similar to that of a soldier’s M4...

Great post...I hope this doesn’t happen and WASH DC concentrates on national debt and the future of the Republic that is the US...(HOPE) is the key word...


7 posted on 12/31/2012 10:11:13 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: marktwain
There is a few problems with Bob's vision.

First and formost the military is about to be bankrupted and defunded by the same arrogant elitists trying to take our freedom.

Secondly, and most importantly, the hostile nations salivating at the demise of the USA.

The unknown factor of outside influence is what will tip the scales one way or another.

Many in the pentagon will sacrifice Dear leader for their families safety when the threat from without grows.

8 posted on 12/31/2012 10:11:13 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: marktwain

I posted this yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2973374/posts

Gun confiscation is like making cars illegal to drive due to drunk drivers killing an estimate of 16,000 people...

Or Abortions - that kill an estimate of 1.2 million babies a yr...

But oh no...can’t have a weapon in the house that is similar to that of a soldier’s M4...

Great post...I hope this doesn’t happen and WASH DC concentrates on national debt and the future of the Republic that is the US...(HOPE) is the key word...


9 posted on 12/31/2012 10:11:35 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: marktwain

No law can overturn the Bill of Rights. The only thing that can change the 2nd amendment is another amendment.


10 posted on 12/31/2012 10:12:31 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: marktwain
I wouldn't be buying any bacon after this bill is passed and signed....

Henry Bowman will be VERY VERY busy feeding the hogs.

11 posted on 12/31/2012 10:13:17 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

One could always just start handing out the goodies to the local urban outdoors-men.


12 posted on 12/31/2012 10:13:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

They don’t have a couple of generations to wait. We are on the threshold of individual manufacturing of weapons as easy as downloading a file and printing it out. Obviously this is not mature today, but it won’t be too many years for the costs to come down and for the technology to spread and go through rapid improvement. The traditional regimes of manufacturing control and distribution control won’t work against this.


13 posted on 12/31/2012 10:14:14 AM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: marktwain

That’s a pretty good article. Thanks!


14 posted on 12/31/2012 10:14:30 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marktwain

Exactly. The aim is to kill off the mind-set and thinking behind gun ownership. It is to kill independent, self-reliant, empowered thinking and behavior via law. It seems to have worked well in Kalifornia.

The people and organizations doing this told us in the 50s and 60s how they would take us down from the inside, via the schools, media, and courts. Then they started doing it. The symbol of the firearm is about the last source of resistance to their takeover. The very idea of firearm ownership is itself a major thorn in their side, even if an individual doesn’t even own a firearm.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 10:18:48 AM PST by CPO retired
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To: Dan Cooper

I think it’s safe to say weapons manufacturing will be the keystone of the revolution in 3D printing, just as porn was the primary driving force in the creation of the internet we know today.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 10:20:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: exnavy

“First and formost the military is about to be bankrupted and defunded by the same arrogant elitists trying to take our freedom.”

Yes and this happened in Germany (1918), Russia (1917) and France (1788) and if you know history that did not bode well for elitists. It is tipping that way.


17 posted on 12/31/2012 10:31:55 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Dan Cooper

“We are on the threshold of individual manufacturing of weapons as easy as downloading a file and printing it out.”

I think this one would do it. Note that in one configuartion this is both an additive AND a subtractive CNC device. It would take more than one file, but with this, both the plastic AND the metal parts can probably be done on one machine. The only thing that probably can’t be done with this is the barrel.

http://store.qu-bd.com/product.php?id_product=45


18 posted on 12/31/2012 10:36:20 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Expect a rash of boating accidents...

I wish I could have taken mine in the boat......they were all stolen...Darn it.

19 posted on 12/31/2012 10:36:35 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: exnavy

“Secondly, and most importantly, the hostile nations salivating at the demise of the USA.”

In all liklihood, foreign powers would stay out (with troops and substantial support to one side) as they did in CW1; it’s always better to wait for the outcome before intervening in a civil war.
However, I would not rule out covert support for the rebels. If China wants to invade Taiwan and expand its influence in the Pacific, a US CW2 is great. China could further destabilize the US by demanding payment on our bonds. Russia may seek to expand in the artic and may actually to fund the independent Alaska independence movement with arms and supplies.

Once these things are seen by the military, a coup become a distinct possiblity. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. But, that being said I would certainly take my chances on a military dictator over 0bama. 0bama has an evil streak as evidenced by the fact that he has no problems with the death of US diplomats and border agents if it serves his purposes. So, IMO, 0bama does have the personality charcteristic needed to carry out the murder of Americans.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 10:38:35 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Paladin2

Funny thing is the only out the government would have when this shtf is bringing in foriegn troops and that is when the fun starts. No right minded US military man would put up with that. I hope. It would be total chaos. But in the end we would prevail. I think?


21 posted on 12/31/2012 10:45:01 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: marktwain
Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

Any "cell" with more than 3 people is inherrantly fragile, and most likely fed-infiltrated.

Shoot, shovel, shut up. Tell no one.

 

22 posted on 12/31/2012 10:50:27 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: marktwain

Not gonna happen. Not saying there won’t be some regs (probably on assalt weapons) but there is zero chance of significant regulation (a good thing). SCOTUS has already ruled on the primary issue, courts are following that ruling, legislatures (for the most part) aren’t regulating guns, it won’t pass Congress, etc, etc, etc.

Furthermore, if anyone thinks that gun owners are going to stand against a government as powerful as the U.S., and be successful on any level, they are under a severe delusion. Most gun owners won’t fight. Only a handful of military would join those that do fight. The government has tanks and drones and ... well the list goes on.

They will not take our guns away. Never gonna happen. But if they wanted to, they could easily do so. This isn’t Red Dawn.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 10:56:01 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: marktwain

As a thought exercise i suppose one of the first act of resistance would be the sabotage of the military equipment in the hands of non-military organizations such as the DHS, TSA, city police departments, etc.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 10:58:21 AM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: exnavy
Secondly, and most importantly, the hostile nations salivating at the demise of the USA.

Most every nation on the planet has an interest in reducing America's influence if they can't control it, so much of the likely foreign interference will be duplicitous.

Officially they will strongly support Obama and the most strident gun controllers. Behind the scenes, they will smuggle all the support and weapons possible to the targeted gun owning population. The longer and more difficult (for the nation) the rebellion is, the weaker America becomes in influence everywhere in the world.

And that is the point, as the world's only superpower military that most other nations cannot control, the safest thing for them is a much weaker America, one where the military doesn't get along with itself, the people, or the politicians, a divided nation AND military.

Likewise, wise foreigners don't want a clean Obama success, putting that overwhelming US Military in the unchecked hands of a petulant Marxist child, so they will see this conflict become as destructive to America , and last as long, as possible.

25 posted on 12/31/2012 11:01:44 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Dan Cooper

You’re talking basically about zip-guns, staple of inner-city violence from a bygone era, and they were outdated once criminals got the wherewithal (through strong-arm robbery or welfare bucks) to illicitly purchase “the real thing”.
The new legislation that will come in the wake of small-business “arms” manufacturing, will take the form of the kinds of laws in place prohibiting illegal marijuana growing and moonshine stills.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 11:04:36 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: New Jersey Realist
No law can overturn the Bill of Rights.

True, but the Democrats, and not a few RINOS, have already shown they don't give a crap about the Bill of Rights, or the rest of the Constitution for that matter.

Those who vote for the Santa Claus party also don't care as long as they get their "free stuff".

27 posted on 12/31/2012 11:06:45 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: marktwain
STICK TO YOUR GUNS (written by Freeper)
28 posted on 12/31/2012 11:06:52 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: WMarshal
As a thought exercise I suppose one of the first act of resistance would be the sabotage of the military equipment in the hands of non-military organizations such as the DHS, TSA, city police departments, etc.

Easily done to most small departments, poorly protected. Some of this stuff is out in the open near city streets. I've wondered, just how would the rebellion start? A few cells laying siege to federal buildings, or raids on police stations? Whatever happens, it would be quick and the culprits would quickly disappear to strike elsewhere. Lots of small operations simultaneously everywhere to throw the tyrannicals off balance.

29 posted on 12/31/2012 11:10:04 AM PST by roadcat
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To: marktwain
" Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders."

Bravo Sierra, there's no shortage of LEOs who will gleefully shoot a penned up Golden Retriever so I don't expect any problem getting unconstitutional orders obeyed.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 11:10:43 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: New Jersey Realist
No law can overturn the Bill of Rights.
Correct

The only thing that can change the 2nd amendment is another amendment.
Wrong. When Obama puts one or more of his Socialist-loving cronies on the Supreme Court, they can (and will) redefine their interpretation such that the second amendment does not apply to individuals; rather, it recognizes the right of a state to arm its militia. Following that Congress will have the green light to regulate, and/or prohibit individual gun ownership followed by confiscation.

31 posted on 12/31/2012 11:14:55 AM PST by CedarDave (Matt Damon is to fracking for natural gas as Jane Fonda is to uranium for nuclear power)
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To: zeugma
Shoot, shovel, shut up. Tell no one.

At that point there won't be much left except survival. The various thugs who come to steal your food and any valuables will not be deterred by anything other than being dead. A few local authorities might help you, but probably just give you the advice you just gave.

32 posted on 12/31/2012 11:15:19 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: demshateGod

I doubt it happens also. In fact, I KNOW it won’t happen.
What WILL happen, though, will precisely follow the arc of
all those “issues” which are designed to be polarizing, and play out in the public arena attended by the usual unilluminating oversimplified expressions of the US vs. THEM
positions: what we’ll get is a tiresome, and virtually endlessly exhausting series of proposals, threats, intimidation, demagoguery, all in the service of winning hearts and minds for your particular point of view-—it will be a charade, with the RKBA side of the issue always on the defensive and having to re-state the same positions they’ve been putting forth since time immemorial.Ultimately , the gun-grabbers, led by the hard-liners on the Left, will calibrate the precise guidelines for any new legislation with the overall intention to get legal gun owners crazy with fear and apprehension over the prospect of confiscation
(compensated of course by “buybacks”), and push them into
the kind of position that will make them look like outcast militia-types, stockpiling weapons and making plans to overthrow the government. NOBODY SHOULD TAKE THIS BAIT!


33 posted on 12/31/2012 11:18:14 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: RIghtwardHo

Yes it is not Red Dawn the commies would have never gotten that far and back then we would have continued the use of nukes. Even if they wanted they don’t have enough manpower to confiscate anything. WOD proved that. We can’t even control our own border. All they can do is over-regulate and tax and hope to get them via attrition. Also, make no mistake we sold enough arms in our times that there are other countries chomping at the bit to sell arms/ammo to our civilians.

The country is on the verge of a schism and who knows what straw will break the camels back. Gun control is definitely one of them. I for one am tiring of the “people” who keep trying to remind some of us that we won’t do anything when the time comes. You don’t know me or anyone I know, so spout that conformist shit elsewhere. Once the fight starts there will be 3 sides, the marxist, the patriots, and the conformist (pansies for lack of a better word) who will go the ways of the Jews in last century given the chance.


34 posted on 12/31/2012 11:18:14 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: RIghtwardHo

>>This isn’t Red Dawn.<<

Not yet. If they want our guns, they’ll have to fight us. Those who won’t fight, get used to your chains.


35 posted on 12/31/2012 11:20:52 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: muir_redwoods

Golden Retrievers normally don’t have the capability to shoot back.


36 posted on 12/31/2012 11:21:00 AM PST by technically right
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To: Resolute Conservative

There would be a lot of folks unwilling to be the first to stick their necks out,

but would readily join up with the cause once they see they aren’t going to be standing up alone with their pants around their ankles.


37 posted on 12/31/2012 11:21:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: muir_redwoods

Bravo Sierra, there's no shortage of LEOs who will gleefully shoot a penned up Golden Retriever so I don't expect any problem getting unconstitutional orders obeyed. “

Golden Retrievers don't have index fingers.

38 posted on 12/31/2012 11:21:15 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: RIghtwardHo
Furthermore, if anyone thinks that gun owners are going to stand against a government as powerful as the U.S., and be successful on any level, they are under a severe delusion.

If I recall correctly, the Afghans held off the Russians and ourselves for many, many years. They didn’t have an air force, tanks, or drones and yet…

39 posted on 12/31/2012 11:23:37 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: muir_redwoods

I would be shocked if the police refused to carry out any ordered activity;they will just do it with the excuse the lawyers can sort it out later.

The fraudulent election of a foreign-born Marxist-Muslim-narcissist may very well spell the end of America as envisioned these many years past.

A few thousands might resist with force but unless they successfully take out prime movers their acts will just be used to scare the general population into submission to the government.


40 posted on 12/31/2012 11:24:10 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: marktwain

Bob explains that successful rebel operations would by highly publicized.

Knowing the media like we do, we know that such information would be suppressed, especially if the operations were successful.

If anything was publicized it would be nothing but pure propaganda villifying the rebels.


41 posted on 12/31/2012 11:25:18 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I agree completely.See my #33.


42 posted on 12/31/2012 11:25:34 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: marktwain

Well the first thing that would happen is a Federal class action lawsuit alleging 50 million “takings” that would tie-up the entire court system for about thirteen years.


43 posted on 12/31/2012 11:27:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RIghtwardHo

“Furthermore, if anyone thinks that gun owners are going to stand against a government as powerful as the U.S., and be successful on any level, they are under a severe delusion”

Governments with strong militaries DO fall, and the fall can be precipitated by widespread political and military resistance. It’s happennned in France over and over again since 1789, and in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union twenty years ago. The rebels probably would not carve out their own independent state, but a coup is a distinct possibility.

The resistors would not fight the military head on of course, they would engage in guerilla warfare and pick soft targets (state pols, bureaucrats, journalists, family members of the above). With all the preppers out there, some of the resistors could find places for re-supply (think of the Dilinger gang in the 30s).

And keep this in mind, economic chaos will likely also ensue because of absurd Leftist economic policies. When the EBT cards are invalid, the military will have their hands full with welfare mobs and FEMA camps.


44 posted on 12/31/2012 11:30:11 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: New Jersey Realist
The only thing that can change the 2nd amendment is another amendment.

Congress can make any law or constitutional amendment they want, but they can't overturn an unalienable right. Governments only have the power to suppress the people's free exercise of their God-given rights. They can't even improve upon them. In fact, any meddling they do in the area of natural rights is only bound to curtail them.

45 posted on 12/31/2012 11:31:56 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rickomatic
And Golden Retrievers don't know where the LEO's wives work and their kids go to school.

When you see outsiders, particularly Feds, "cooperating" with local LE, that's when you need to start worrying.

I was alarmed at how quickly we had news statements/leaks from FBI and ATF after Newtown. Do all small towns have Fed LE offices nearby?

46 posted on 12/31/2012 11:33:44 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Dan Cooper
We are on the threshold of individual manufacturing of weapons as easy as downloading a file and printing it out.

Printed guns may work for a shot or two, but NCR machines can easily turn out real guns.

47 posted on 12/31/2012 11:36:22 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: marktwain

it won’t be a rebellion, it will be a revolution. former is unlawful, latter is against the unlawful.


48 posted on 12/31/2012 11:42:01 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: zeugma
One could persuasively argue against the waste of energy involved in the 'shovel' step.

Patriot calorie preservation aside, rotting fascist corpses laying about would send a memorable message.

49 posted on 12/31/2012 11:43:50 AM PST by tomkat
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To: supremedoctrine
You’re talking basically about zip-guns, staple of inner-city violence from a bygone era, and they were outdated once criminals got the wherewithal (through strong-arm robbery or welfare bucks) to illicitly purchase “the real thing”. The new legislation that will come in the wake of small-business “arms” manufacturing, will take the form of the kinds of laws in place prohibiting illegal marijuana growing and moonshine stills.

This is not small business manufacturing but personal manufacturing. This technology is still in its infancy and many improvements are needed to enable parity with "the real thing", but feasibility has been proven. Any number of laws can be passed to attempt to prevent this of course, but these will be laws against information being exchanged, not goods. The point that by prohibiting the traditional retail distribution of arms is not going to cause arms ownership to shrink to political insignificance.

50 posted on 12/31/2012 11:46:23 AM PST by Dan Cooper
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