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Pravda : 'Americans never give up your guns'
pravda.ru/opinion ^ | 28.12.2012 | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on 12/31/2012 3:51:31 PM PST by virgil283

"These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one’s self and possessions......who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

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To: wardaddy

I agree that Nicholas had no desire to be a tyrant, in fact he sincerely desired good for his people.

The problem is that he wasn’t competent enough to surf the waves of modernity crashing down on Russia. In the process he played a very large personal role in creating the situation that allowed the Reds to come to power.

One of the odder parallels in history is that between Louis XVI and Nicholas II. Both were kind, decent, honorable men who wanted the best for their people.

Both presided over the collapse of their monarchies, and got themselves and their families killed in the process. Neither of them deserved their fate, though lots of their ancestors certainly did.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 5:31:46 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kennard

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.
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This is the communists’ dirty little secret. However, in our case they know that we know the dirty little secret and what they are up to. Their lies, schemes and subterfuges will not work here. That is why we need to draw a very hard line against this latest leftest offensive. There is absolutely no rational basis to accept any more laws, rules and impositions on our right to “keep and bear arms.” In fact, we need to scale back the existing restraints.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 5:41:21 PM PST by iontheball
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To: Sherman Logan
Washington had troops in Russia for several years during and after the war, mostly fighting the Reds.

Correct, and the US supported the White Russians.

The author includes his accusation as the last sentence in a paragraph referring to WWI and 1918, which makes it incorrect.

If he had referred to little more than a decade later, the US did offer aid to the Reds both politically and promotionally.

At best it's sloppy, at worst it's untrue.

23 posted on 12/31/2012 5:42:19 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: virgil283

Ping...... cause I might need it later to show my commie friends.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 5:53:20 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Kennard

Can you locate for us a copy of the 1919 Bolshevik poster that says: “Citizens, Turn in Your Weapons”?

It used to be sold at gun shows here.


25 posted on 12/31/2012 5:56:12 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Navy Patriot; Sherman Logan

What he’s probably referring to is Jacob schiff and his secret monetary support of Trotsky and Lenin, which Wilson certainly knew about if not outright supported.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 5:56:31 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Could very well be, Stanislav seems to like to write a series of bullet points, so to speak, and included this in a paragraph leading with military support, and not specifically including financial support.
27 posted on 12/31/2012 6:05:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Regulator

Schiff, AFAIK, was never an American government official.


28 posted on 12/31/2012 6:09:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: virgil283
I know you read this in the article, but it is very important for the our military to pay particular attention to how the Reds confiscated the guns. Especially how they suckered the military into standing down and the military dutifully expecting to be rewarded for doing so. Not surprisingly, the military reward proved true to the Communist doctrine. I dare say it was clearly not what the ‘useful idiots’ expected. Will the Russian experience repeat itself with our America military or will they pay attention to this history lesson and how the deadly game is played?
29 posted on 12/31/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by iontheball
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To: virgil283
Just want to try to calm everyone down over this subject.

1. Even Dems know they will lose their seat if they try this crap. Only Feinstein and Shummer types can try this and keep their jobs.

2. The Repubs control the House. They have a multitude of gun votes over the Dems,..... not even close.

3. The Constitution does protect us. The Courts have already ruled on our side.

4.( and I'm sure I could come up with a dozen more), The sheer number of gun owners. Lets say they did pass a law to confiscate guns. There is only a couple million military and maybe a couple more million law officers. There is estimated 80 to 100 million gun owners. Lets say 3/4 of those said, Ya know, I just don't want to die to save a chunk of metal. That would leave up to 25 million against maybe 4 million that would try to take them. I also KNOW FOR A FACT that most of the military and police wouldn't fire on family and citizens. Lets just say that would leave 500k to do the dirty work. If they try to recruit black panthers and gang bangers to enforce the law, ...what a mess. I don't think it's physically able to be done.

It's a shame we are here, but elections have consequences. My thought is it will never get past number one.

PS,...Some advice for some here. I know that some here are like many others here and have MULTIPLE guns. I have collected most of my life. There are guns I bought for $100 that are going today for $2000, I just read today. A couple of weeks back, I thought about selling a couple for $600 that are going now for $2-$3 grand. after going through the Clinton era and holding on, I found that when Dubya took over, the prices collapsed. IMHO, When this fervor collapses AK's will go back to $500 and AR's will go back to $900-$1000. Sell now and buy 2 when the time comes. That goes for ammo also. When Obama was elected, I didn't have enough 9mm to suit me. EVERYBODY was OUT, even WalMart. I ended up paying premo prices and then the price collapsed again. It will go down again,IMHO. Now I have a ton of 9mm and am just able to make money on them after 3 years. I will be culling some of my inventory to pay bills.

The reason people are doing all this buying is they are afraid they may NEEEED them. Well, if you find the need for your old collection, you can always place some lead poisoning behind someone's ear and get their collection. It's not going to be pretty, my friends. If you NEEED them, then you need them. If a soldier is the one giving you grief, then you become the insurgent. That's the way of the world. it's the same as in Iraq, or Viet Nam, or any other war we have been involved in.

Just as in "Red Dawn", you take you fathers 12ga or .243 deer gun you just couldn't sell, and take the enemies AK, rocket launcher, mini gun, ect. This is the last scenario, but just in case you think it's possible, all is not lost. For me, the problem will always be surviving the first few days or weeks. Until there is some sort of resistance organized, it's everyone for themselves.

My wife has always had one question. If the gubmint kicks down my door and takes my stuff, how will you all know what is happening? I think even my neighbors would look and say "He was always one of them weirdo's"... We stood around for months and watched Ruby Ridge and Waco, but nobody did anything. Same after Katrina. Nobody wants to fire the first shot. I would hope they would lose their ability to just kick our doors in after a couple of days before someone answered back. In "Red Dawn", you knew it was the enemy. If the police is breaking down doors, we tend to think it may be righteous. If it's the military,.....Well, most of us know about Posse Comitatus.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 6:45:45 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Sherman Logan

Finland was a constitutional monarchy, compared to the rest of Russia which was directly ruled.

It took some fighting in the Civil War to get Bolshie Russia to admit it.

Mannerheim was a Russian General, and never did learn to speak Finnish without a Swedish accent.


31 posted on 12/31/2012 6:48:57 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: chuckles

I just re read my post and couldn’t help but think of that scene in “The Jerk” where he leaves his wife and says “I don’t need anything! I don’t,...well, I need my M1A and a couple of mags, but other than that, I don’t,...well this nickle .45, and the SS AMT Longslide,.. I need that. But no more, well, maybe my Redhawk .44 mag with the scope”...... I guess that’s where I get my name.


32 posted on 12/31/2012 6:55:59 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chrisser
Thanks for the link.

They will use medical care as leverage.

Hence my tagline.

33 posted on 12/31/2012 6:59:40 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: chrisser

Geesh, I was spouting tears as I read that. I wish I thought it was all BS, but it makes sense in light of what is going on now.

I almost can’t handle that crap.

Whoa! Happy New Year, for the moment.


34 posted on 12/31/2012 7:01:51 PM PST by dforest
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To: donmeaker

He sure gave those commies a serious ass whooping though!


35 posted on 12/31/2012 7:25:36 PM PST by kneehurts
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To: chrisser

DAMNED scary...thanks for the link.
CanadaFreePress has had many good articles in the past, but this one put goosebumps on me. I believe every damned word of this, as my better half and myself thought even Bath-House Barry looked surprised that they “won” reSelection.

I suggest addressing everyone as “comrade”, now-—

Even the stinking congresscritters that seem complicit in the death of this great country.
DON’T address them as “Honorable”, because they are anything BUT.


36 posted on 12/31/2012 7:33:45 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Regulator
You can buy a nice semi-auto Saiga in some of the shops in Moscow...

Heh.. That's exactly the rifle I was cleaning just a short while ago.

37 posted on 12/31/2012 7:38:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: iontheball

BINGO!

“There is absolutely no rational basis to accept any more laws, rules and impositions on our right to “keep and bear arms.”

Advance to the head of the class! Finally, amidst the vocal clamor of post after post decrying the moves FedGov is contemplating to constrict our liberties I finally see a comment that rings truest of all. No threats. No mussin’ about with statistics and definitions or recitations of the constitutinal principles or debates. Just a straightforward response. Beautiful! That’s exactly what must be said to every enforcer and let them decide whether they understand or not. Then Katie bar the door!

I love it!


38 posted on 12/31/2012 7:44:36 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: chulaivn66

Gentlemen. You may debate all you wish. I kneel for no one. Ever.


39 posted on 12/31/2012 7:52:42 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: chrisser

Incredibly scary. Unfortunately there is just enough reason to not entirely dismiss this as bunk. However, if this were true why wouldn’t they go public with information so severe - why wouldn’t they go to a more known source? That this person is talking to an obscure blogger and a not so well followed site just doesn’t make sense.

I’m thinking of selling a lot of stuff and putting money in Canadian dollars.


40 posted on 12/31/2012 7:58:15 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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