Posted on 01/02/2013 6:38:06 PM PST by marktwain
When the subject is gun control, those who demand more for the United States always point to Europe. Europe, they say, has more gun control than the United States, and lower murder rates. Europe, of course, is a diverse place. Some places have lots of guns and low murder rates. Some places have few guns and higher murder rates. The reason that many developed European countries have murder rates much lower than the United States is not guns or gun control. It is demographics.
In 2006 the Department of Justice issued a report on violent felons in large urban counties. It covered the period from 1990 to 2002, and included the 75 most populous counties in the United States. The study accounted for over half of all the murders in the United States in the covered period.
Revealed in the study was a simple breakdown of the demographics of the murderers that is not commonly available. Murderers were divided into three groups. Blacks were the most numerous at 46%. Hispanics were next at 27 percent. Non-Hispanic whites were last at 23 percent.
While the study does not account for all murders in the period studied, it accounts for more than half and almost certainly slightly understates the percentages of Black murderers, because the latest FBI statistics (for 2010) show that when all the murders in the U.S are taken into account, the percentage of Black murderers is over 53 percent.
No one would dispute that there are several distinct cultures among the American black population. No one would dispute that none of these cultures exist in Europe in any statistically significant numbers. Some of the Black American subcultures probably have very low murder rates. We cannot tell because we do not have the data to distinguish between them.
Similarly, there are a number of distinct Hispanic cultures in the United States. These are all derived from cultures in Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. They are not Spanish or Portuguese. No one would argue that any statistical number of these populations exist in Europe. No doubt, some of these cultures also have very low murder rates, but without data, we cannot separate them out.
Where does that lead us? If we take the 23 percent figure for non-Hispanic whites to be representative for the entire population (remember, it is likely a good bit lower), then the number of murders committed by non-Hispanic and non-black people in the United States for 2010 would be 2989.
The population of non-Hispanic whites for 2010 was 196.8 million. Applying the 2989 murders to this population gives a murder rate of 1.52 per 100,000 population. We cannot get a more precise figure unless we have more demographic data than that given. Asian-Americans, for example, have historically had very low murder rates, but we do not have the data. The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.2 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.
There are huge numbers of German-Americans, English-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Scandinavian and Swiss-Americans in the United States. There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.
As a check, you might consider a non-European example. Japan has extreme gun control and extremely low murder rates. The FBI used to track murders by Japanese-Americans before 1980, when access to firearms was relatively easy.
The murder rate of Japanese Americans was less than half that of Japanese in Japan.
Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.
European murder and gun ownership rates: Link
Department of Justice Study with demographic data: Link
FBI homicide statistics, 2010: Link
Japanese and Japanese American murder rates: Link
Dean Weingarten
This will change soon in Europe with the muzzie takeover. Wonder what the rate of rape among muzzies in Europe is, compared to U.S. rate.
INCONVENIENT FACT: According to no less an authority than the peer-reviewed Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, countries with stringent gun control laws have higher murder and suicide rates than those without.
DOCUMENTATION: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?” A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence by Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser, Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, pages 649-694. (To download a PDF copy of the journal article, simply Google the title. It is available on the web free of charge.)
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: “If you are surprised by our findings, so are we. We did not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns, but there it is — a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us where not to aim public health resources.”
INDIRECTION: The trick hoplophobes always use is to say that America has higher gun-murder rates than other countries, but many of those “murders” are criminals killed in the act of committing violent crimes. Compare absolute murder rates, and the result is “more guns, less murder.” (Source: GunFacts.info);
SECOND INCONVENIENT FACT: According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by US citizens 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, home-invasion and carjacking, 99% of the time without a shot being fired. (Source: GunFacts.info)
THIRD INCONVENIENT FACT: “Assault weapons” (AKA semiautomatic rifles) are used in less than 1% of gun crimes. (Source: GunFacts.info)
QUESTION: If gun-free zones make people safe, then why don’t we declare the immediate vicinity of the President and Vice-President to be gun-free zones and send the Secret Service home? Or are gun-free zones good enough for our kids, but not good enough for our overlords?
METAPHOR: America has more private gun ownership than most other countries, so naturally there are more gun murders. America also has more hospitals than most other countries, so naturally we have more people dying in hospitals. Does that mean we should outlaw hospitals?
Then, too, the US has an overarching cultural impetus to FORCE TOTAL ASSIMILATION within 2 generations.
Now, back to the question of comparable murder rates by ethnicity, it is possible to build a proxy for European ethnic groups out of American cities or counties with a population background pretty well tied to a single European country or area. Minnesota is a good match for Sweden. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is a good match for Finland.
If you do that you'll find that Americans of any specific European ethnicity have a lower murder rate than their far more blood thirsty European cousins.
The same for African Americans ~ their murder rate, in the aggregate, is incredibly different than the murder rates in any predominantly black African nation!
Then there's WWI and WWII ~ you add those two events into the statistical mix for the last century the United States shows up as the most peaceful nation on the planet!
I believe 100% of rapes in Norway in the past five years have been by Muslims
Thanks marktwain.
LOL. The article took minorities out of the equation to try and equal the numbers with Europe! Yet, the article didn't take away the 'minorities' in the equation for Europe.
Europe would have even lower numbers. England, France, Netherlands, etc would all have lower numbers as well.
100% of assault-rapes ( as opposed to date-rapes etc) in Oslo committed by ‘’our new countrymen’’. -Mostly muslims, but also many eastern Europeans.
Total immigrant rape percentage is probably in the 70% range, but needless to say no one but us evil nationalists want to know those statistics.
Enlighten us. What are the minorities in Europe, and what are their murder rates?
‘’The US has a different class of Moslem immigrants ~ with more education. Europeans use Moslems to clean toilets and wash dishes in restaurants. They get the kind of Moslems who consider those to be high paying jobs.’’
Once upon a time hispanic immigrants were better educated and better off than average Americans too... It will go the same way with the mohammedans.
As for integration... Just look to Dearborn...
Your percentage of muslims is lower and thus they are (slightly) more peaceful. As their numbers increase you will get the exact same problems that *every* other country that is victim of the muslim mass-migrations.
If one looked, I but there is similar higher murder rates from minorities in Europe, thus raising their numbers as well. Especially in larger cities, where demographics has been such a debated issue.
The article should have made that obvious. Especially when the whole point of the article rested on Demographics.
When was that?
Bfl
In the early 1960’s when all the educated wealthy folks were kicked out of Cuba ny Fidel Castro.
Racial Murder Statistics the Left and Others don’t want you to know
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2864689/posts
Race vs Race
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls
Offenders by Race
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
JUSTICE dept figures! See charts...
In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites
From 1976 to 2005 —
* 86% of white victims were killed by whites
* 94% of black victims were killed by blacks
Too many young men in an area will give you a high rape count unless you institute a death penalty, or start deporting them as they turn 16.
No, I don't know that the small number of cubans (mostly families)from 1960-1965 would justify the claim, without seeing some data.
Just to compare black populations across a few countries France has <3%, Germany has 1%, the UK has <2%. The US has 12.6%.
'They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.'
That's crazy high for such a low percentage of people. Take that away, and the crime rate drops astronomically for England.
I think education is a huge factor, and one that is overlooked. Take for example, Sydney Australia. 7+ million people in one of the most culturally diverse areas on the planet (heavy European, Asian influences), very tight gun control, very low crime - one of the lowest. Education standards are very high.
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