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We will NOT disarm.
Minuteman Right to Keep and Bear Arms ^ | January 2, 2013 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 01/02/2013 10:07:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance

For four hundred years in this country, my family has had a well-earned reputation for being well-armed, and of not being afraid to use those arms if life, liberty, property, or their communities were threatened.

I'm a descendent of Alice Proctor, the wife of Virginia ancient planter John Proctor. In the Indian attacks and massacres of 1622 in which as many as a third of the Virginians were killed, John was in England, and she and her household held off the savages for a month. The British officers threatened to burn down the Proctor Plantation if she didn't remove herself from the frontier back to Pace's Paines, which she then had to do, but the Indians knew better than to ever come anywhere close to her or her family again.

A few generations later, at the start of the Revolution, five Proctor brothers, including my forebear Little Page Proctor, were part of the Virginia militia that secured the NW wilderness against the British-allied tribes. They were among the forty men with Daniel Boone who held off more than 400 Indians for ten days at Boonesborough, in what became Kentucky.

They knew that when it came down to it they had to depend on themselves and their neighbors, not on some far-off government.

Anyone who thinks it is fundamentally any different now is fooling themselves.

We will NOT disarm. Our natural rights, the right of self-defense being foremost, were given to us by God Himself, and Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein are NOT welcome to them.

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can."

- Samuel Adams

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

- The Declaration of Independence


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; naturalrights; rkba; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/02/2013 10:07:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

2 posted on 01/02/2013 10:10:39 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: EternalVigilance

Bump


3 posted on 01/02/2013 10:11:26 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: EternalVigilance

4 posted on 01/02/2013 10:12:23 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: EternalVigilance
Happy New Year EV. Looks like it's coming down to it. I wonder where the new Lexington and Concorde will be?
5 posted on 01/02/2013 10:12:51 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Could be anywhere.

Can’t be everywhere, though. There’s way more of us than there are of them.

If everyone stands up and stands forward, they can’t do squat.

Happy New Year to you as well.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 10:16:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: EternalVigilance

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32850

Illinois firearm ban moves to senate for vote tomorrow.


7 posted on 01/02/2013 10:16:18 PM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: blondee123

The people of Illinois must rise up and remove them all from office.

I repeat: they must.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 10:19:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: blondee123

Is that on your state board? (here on FR)


9 posted on 01/02/2013 10:22:01 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
“The power of the sword is in the hands of Congress? My friends and countrymen, it is not so; for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The Militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the Militia? They are not ourselves as politicians and lawmakers. They are those who have elected us into our positions and entrusted us with the power of preserving and carrying out their wishes. Congress has no power to disarm the Militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

– Tench Coxe, letter to James Madison during adoption of the Bill of Rights in the United States Congress (1789)


10 posted on 01/02/2013 10:43:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I have not granted the NRA or anyone else any license to negotiate concerning my God-given rights. Any such license would be null and void anyway, even if I was foolish enough to attempt to grant it, because those rights are UNALIENABLE.

So, to any who think they’re going to strip away my rights, the simple answer is an emphatic NO. This is not negotiable, or open to any compromise.

un·al·ien·a·ble ( n- l y -n -b l, - l - -). adj. Not to be separated, given away, or taken away;


11 posted on 01/02/2013 11:05:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to the unjust and oppressive.”

– Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)


12 posted on 01/02/2013 11:08:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I fear it would be less American 1775 and more Rwandan 1994 if things really went south. But sooner or later the tin pot tyrant is going to make an unrecoverable error. He thinks it’s going to endlessly continue in his way, that the momentum never fades, but Mussolini and the others who shared similar delusions of grandeur also thought so. His fall is coming, and it will be one of his own snares that takes him.


13 posted on 01/02/2013 11:21:49 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: blondee123
Illinois firearm ban moves to senate for vote tomorrow.

Illinois as in Detroit and South Side Chicago?

14 posted on 01/02/2013 11:45:47 PM PST by yoe
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To: EternalVigilance

Great post. Thanks.

The Second Amendment is the defining statement of the United States of America regarding the fundamental relationship that exists between the country’s citizens and those they choose to govern them.


15 posted on 01/02/2013 11:46:31 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: EternalVigilance

???

Of course we won’t disarm.


16 posted on 01/02/2013 11:52:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EternalVigilance

Oh right, just like we removed Obummer. Illinois is his territory, look who Chicago has for a Mayor!


17 posted on 01/02/2013 11:57:26 PM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: dagogo redux
The Second Amendment is the defining statement of the United States of America regarding the fundamental relationship that exists between the country’s citizens and those they choose to govern them.

There's a good reason 'the right to keep and bear arms' was second only to 'freedom of speech and religion' when the founders framed the Bill of Rights. I mean, it sure wasn't the Fifth, Eight, or Tenth Amendment. It was not an afterthought. It was that important to the founders.

18 posted on 01/02/2013 11:57:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: fieldmarshaldj

My boots don’t click and I can’t raise my arm due to a rotator cuff operation and I need my right arm to hold my gun.

Sorry.

So sad....


19 posted on 01/03/2013 12:16:16 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

But I’ve got this box of used chalk board erasers.

I can fend off a battalion .....


20 posted on 01/03/2013 12:17:30 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: EternalVigilance

God Given...

Kuh! Who is this God you speak of? /s


21 posted on 01/03/2013 12:19:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Trod Upon

Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 12:20:20 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: EternalVigilance

>”The people of Illinois must rise up and remove them all from office”<

Ballot Box, Rail or my favorite, Feet First?


23 posted on 01/03/2013 12:36:23 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: EternalVigilance

The musings of the founders are crystal clear. The time of the second American revolution is at hand.


24 posted on 01/03/2013 1:14:02 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Job Title:  SEIZED PROPERTY SPECIALIST
Department: Department Of Homeland Security

DUTIES:

As a Seized Property Specialist you will perform the following duties:
It's 2013, and tHE regime is hiring.
Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items.

Bury a gun and ammo for 15 years

25 posted on 01/03/2013 1:51:37 AM PST by greedo ( https://soundcloud.com/tommaso-corvaja/i-bought-me-a-cat)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
It is possible over the course of the next four years that you and I will meet face to face.

Not likely, however.

So, may it be said, I'm truely sorry for any harsh words exchanged.

We live in strange times, may the Lord have mercy on us all.

26 posted on 01/03/2013 2:17:08 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Interesting information regarding Boone and fight at Boonesboro. I’m descended from the Callaways who were there as well.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 3:57:11 AM PST by MachIV
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To: fieldmarshaldj

But what good would it have done only 10 years ago to say, “we will! Not stop smoking?” Then they taxed it out of existence. Watch for taxes on bullets and magazines...we will be usig sling shots In 10 years. (Well that is “some” of us).


28 posted on 01/03/2013 4:52:50 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: EternalVigilance

The people who want to take away guns are people who are afraid of a public with guns. They are afraid because they believe you disagree with their politics. You are perceived as a danger to them, that is, to their power.


29 posted on 01/03/2013 5:33:04 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: EternalVigilance

The people who want to take away guns are people who are afraid of a public with guns. They are afraid because they believe you disagree with their politics. You are perceived as a danger to them, that is, to their power. Which is what the men who wrote the Constitution envisioned.

The Rahm Emmanuels and Barack Obamas of the World know that you’re not on their side.


30 posted on 01/03/2013 5:35:25 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: MachIV
I’m descended from the Callaways who were there as well.

Very interesting stuff.

Two of Little Page's brothers were at the Battle of Little Mountain. My uncle Joseph Proctor shot and killed the Indian who had just plunged a knife into the heart of Captain James Estill.

31 posted on 01/03/2013 5:40:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I Charlton Heston once said if we didn’t have the 2nd amendment we wouldn’t have the first.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 5:41:58 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Vendome

Yup. No firearms required. Grisly.


33 posted on 01/03/2013 10:45:08 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Rappini

“Charlton Heston once said if we didn’t have the 2nd amendment we wouldn’t have the first.”

Which is why Charlton Heston lobbied to revive the 1968 Gun Control Act when it was DOA and was instrumental in getting it passed, yet, he did nothing in later years to repeal it?


34 posted on 01/03/2013 10:56:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

Didn’t know that. Confirmed on Bing.


35 posted on 01/03/2013 11:31:47 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: CodeToad
And only the ideologically pure may be worthy of your support, of course.

The opinions one had decades in the past can never change, apparently?

(And once again, the Right is never allowed to enjoy any of its leaders and heroes.)

36 posted on 01/03/2013 12:00:46 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: exnavy

I accept your apology. We all need most His mercy.


37 posted on 01/03/2013 12:07:41 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Teacher317

“And only the ideologically pure may be worthy of your support, of course. “

That was a retarded conclusion. The conclusion you should have reached was that CH was a once enemy of firearms but did nothing later in life to correct his pervious actions.

You might as well have said a thief that was never punished nor returned the stolen goods is a good guy anyway because he did many things good later in life.


38 posted on 01/03/2013 12:26:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Rappini

that is totally lost on the MSM media. (this includes FNC)

they believe since they all live in NYC they don’t have any worries.

If their viewers or readers are enslaved then there is no need for the press. If the voters are just freebie voters, the press is not needed. poof go the parties.

no more crotch kisses for anderson cooper on national tv.


39 posted on 01/03/2013 12:49:16 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: yoe

Strictly speaking, Detroit is in Michigan.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 5:20:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I hate to disappoint you, but what is now known as the “second” amendment was originally the third or forth, (don’t remember for sure).

The proposed bill rights had twelve amendments. They were in no particular order.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 6:11:13 PM PST by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Jotmo
The proposed bill rights had twelve amendments. They were in no particular order.

Nonsense.

42 posted on 01/05/2013 6:50:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Jotmo

Oops. I reread your post and realized I misunderstood you.

Yes, the original 12 amendments submitted by Madison (I don’t believe they were referred to upon submission to the states as a “Bill of Rights”, but I may be wrong) included two amendments which were not agreed to at the time and were dropped. Those were the original first two amendments and they pertained to 1) a representative-to-population/ ratio, and 2) pay raises for legislators. (That second one was finally ratified as the 27th about 20 years ago.)

The first nine of the ten amendments which were ratified at the time were ordered in accordance with their closest reference points within the text of the Constitution, and it could be argued that the original text itself was “ordered” by importance from the view of the framers. That tenth amendment was basically a capstone which reiterated that this “Bill of Rights” is essentially a formality and actually isn’t needed at all because all rights are inalienable anyway. I guess the tenth amendment was a nod to the anti-federalists.

In my opinion the Bill of Rights turned out to be a very lucky afterthought.
I can’t imagine what the scumbag government would have done to squash the people and their rights without it.

FRegards,
LH


43 posted on 01/05/2013 9:26:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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