Skip to comments.MORE Reasons We're Not Forking-Over Our Guns to a Government That Just Bought 1.4B Rounds of Ammo...
Posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:33 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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The breathlessness is overwhelming.
The “big” order for ammo, from DHS, is a 5-year contract i.e. delivery over 5 years, so it’s not nearly as much as it seems. Further, a huge chunk of that will get eaten up by re-qualification and training. I did the math out at one point, and it came down to leaving barely enough for a couple of duty magazines for each armed DHS agent, assuming *none* of the ammo was set aside for training academies, and instead was all allotted to the active-duty agents. Very likely, once you divide the order amounts out by the number of agents each department employs, and account for delivery over the life of the order and qualification requirements, the number of rounds actively carried drops into low double digits.
The rest of the article has some good points though. The gov today looks and acts less and less like it works for the people.
Oh, and the article does engage in a bit of liberal gun-panic too, with comments like “sniper-caliber”. 5.56 and 7.65 are the two common calibers used by the US government, for pretty much every rifle in use today. There is nothing special about them that makes them “sniper” bullets. Now, if the DHS had started ordering 50cal BMG rounds, then I might be a bit worried. Also, the so-called “hollow-point” bullets are what EVERY SINGLE F&#%$ING COP AND GOV “AGENT” ALREADY CARRIES! Once they figured out that 9mm ball wasn’t going to cut it on the streets anymore because the gangbangers were wearing body armor, they started issuing .40cal hollowpoint years ago, and it’s been standard law enforcement issue ever since. This isn’t a new development, and the hollowpoints *are* .40cal handgun rounds; not something you want as your go-to ammo for suppressing major rebellions (or preventing them).
yeah, when I think sniper rounds I think 308, 300, 338, 41, 46, 47 and 50 cal.
What do I know? /s
They must really believe the Second American Revolution is on the horizon. Its a shame so many chose poorly.
Hollowpoints are illegal for military use against enemy combatants per the Geneva convention. I guess it’s all right for use against your own citizens though. I personally prefer steel core FMJ anyways.
I have looked at the terminal results of the green bullets. When regular bullets were gone off the shelves all that were left were the high dollar stuff like the Barnes Triple shocks.
In all honesty there is certain terminal ballistic pluses in these all copper bullets, controlled penetration, expansion and integrity, much more than traditional lead based bullets.
For hunting big game they are now my main choice. They require certain rates of twist and velocity, but the results are far better than the best lead bonded trophy or A frame bullets. And the penetrate barriers quite well, not an AP round but they expand only when meeting a hydraulic substance like flesh.
Probably gold confiscation in next 4 years too
Alex Jones and Infowars are not what I’d consider reliable sources of information.
It doesn't get much more ironic than this. Government, which is supposed to protect and expand our freedoms, is now the greatest enemy of them.
You missed the point of acquiring and “training” with hollow-point rounds, which are illegal for use in combat by the Geneva Convention. Seems that “We The People” are excluded for consideration...along with indefinite detention and signing orders to kill America s with a stroke of Obama’s pen.
The amount of ammunition they are buying is staggering: The entire US Atlantic Fleet annual requalification process used about 15 million rounds of .45 ACP circa 1978. What on earth would 500 times that much ammunition be used for, even over 5 years? Why would anyone use expensive and less reliable hollow point ammunition for training?
This whole mess has me losing sleep at night. I think that this regime has planned far more effectively than we have and we are about to find out about it before we have any chance at all to organize and prepare.
I use to think Alex Jones was extreme in his views also, warning of voting machine manipulation and government confiscating our guns...gee, maybe he was right after all on a lot of it. Maybe Ron Paul wasn’t such a wacko either. They said the same thing about John Birch Society too, but look back at the warnings...
The shift from 9mm to 40 came about from the FBI shoot out with 2 bank robbers in 1986,The FBI fired some where around 120 plus rounds contecting with only a few.
They tried to blame poor bullet performance instead of their poor tactics and shooting.
Shooting through body armor is more a velocity thing then a bullet design thing.
The longer ,harder and sharper point a bullet has the less velocity needed. One could make a needle sharp steel core and drive it through armor at fairly low velocity.
Hollow point pistol bullets are easier to stop the ball ammo.
It is 7.62, and it it the standard sniper round, used in basically a Remington 700. It is also the standard 30 cal machine gun round.
At that volume the price different is most likely not that great.
Only one kind to stock,liability with only kid of ammo it easy to say we train with what we carry.
kid should be kind.
“isn’t a new development” - I’d be interested to know what were the past orders of ammunition by the government in the last 15 or 20 yrs.; that would clarify a lot and probably allay any possible panic thinking.
Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control
It's my understanding that FMJ ammo is for training. It's much cheaper to shoot.
My read on this is that the JHP ammo is for duty rounds.
“O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all?” —Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788
I would not be surprised if Biteme actually said that!
“Further, a huge chunk of that will get eaten up by re-qualification and training.”
No it won’t. All of this ammo is +p critical defense frangible rounds. You don’t use this type of ammo for practice. Its expensive, hard on the weapon and will wear down the backstops at the range. This is not ammo you use to re-qualify. Anybody who does practice with this stuff is going to develop a Hell of a flinch.
This ammo is prohibited internationally for war but its OK for them to use it on us. Ain’t Amerika great!
One thing I was thinking is that drones could be a big threat to anyone opposing the government if it did come to a civil war. It might be worth trying to figure out some countermeasures and have them ready just in case.
The Iranians have successfully brought at least one drone down via GPS spoofing, so that is one thing to look at. GPS signals are very weak, so even quite a low powered transmitter might be able to disrupt drone operations over quite a wide area.
Also, drones operate via a satellite link, so maybe there’s some way of jamming that, or of taking the satellites offline. In a civil war, bringing down the government communication network would certainly tip the odds a long way in your favour anyway.
Hopefully it never comes to that, but there seems to be a mass drift towards totalitarianism underway throughout the western world at the moment, and IMHO it’s a good idea to keep hoping for the best but start preparing for the worst just in case!
We who believe in the citizen's absolute right to be armed and equal haven't done anything concrete to illuminate and clarify our position and most of us have spent most of our time scrambling to buy those things that we know will be unavailble in a matter of days. We should be networking to discuss our options, solidifying our trusted relationships and mobilizing - to Washington DC - to show the "representatives" how many of us there are. Just waiting for the next crooked election cycle is not going to help us. I have called the NRA and GOA to try to get a rally started and maybe if some of the rest of you get on them too, maybe something will get done. Just waiting to see what happens never works out well.
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