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MORE Reasons We're Not Forking-Over Our Guns to a Government That Just Bought 1.4B Rounds of Ammo...
Reaganite Republican ^ | 09 January 2013 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:33 AM PST by Reaganite Republican



You didn't hear about all that?

Plenty more cause-to-suspect the intentions of this vile regime where that came from, and do keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution was intended to protect the populace from the actions of a tyrannical government
-it wasn't meant for hunting, or even stopping stage-coach robberies- it's there primarily to defend Liberty from precisely the type of megalomaniacal leaders we find ourselves saddled with today...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
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1 posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:52 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; narses

*** PING ***


2 posted on 01/09/2013 2:38:47 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

The breathlessness is overwhelming.

The “big” order for ammo, from DHS, is a 5-year contract i.e. delivery over 5 years, so it’s not nearly as much as it seems. Further, a huge chunk of that will get eaten up by re-qualification and training. I did the math out at one point, and it came down to leaving barely enough for a couple of duty magazines for each armed DHS agent, assuming *none* of the ammo was set aside for training academies, and instead was all allotted to the active-duty agents. Very likely, once you divide the order amounts out by the number of agents each department employs, and account for delivery over the life of the order and qualification requirements, the number of rounds actively carried drops into low double digits.

The rest of the article has some good points though. The gov today looks and acts less and less like it works for the people.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 3:03:22 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Oh, and the article does engage in a bit of liberal gun-panic too, with comments like “sniper-caliber”. 5.56 and 7.65 are the two common calibers used by the US government, for pretty much every rifle in use today. There is nothing special about them that makes them “sniper” bullets. Now, if the DHS had started ordering 50cal BMG rounds, then I might be a bit worried. Also, the so-called “hollow-point” bullets are what EVERY SINGLE F&#%$ING COP AND GOV “AGENT” ALREADY CARRIES! Once they figured out that 9mm ball wasn’t going to cut it on the streets anymore because the gangbangers were wearing body armor, they started issuing .40cal hollowpoint years ago, and it’s been standard law enforcement issue ever since. This isn’t a new development, and the hollowpoints *are* .40cal handgun rounds; not something you want as your go-to ammo for suppressing major rebellions (or preventing them).


4 posted on 01/09/2013 3:08:38 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

yeah, when I think sniper rounds I think 308, 300, 338, 41, 46, 47 and 50 cal.

What do I know? /s


5 posted on 01/09/2013 3:22:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Reaganite Republican

They must really believe the Second American Revolution is on the horizon. Its a shame so many chose poorly.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 3:25:12 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Little Pig

Hollowpoints are illegal for military use against enemy combatants per the Geneva convention. I guess it’s all right for use against your own citizens though. I personally prefer steel core FMJ anyways.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 3:35:43 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one

I have looked at the terminal results of the green bullets. When regular bullets were gone off the shelves all that were left were the high dollar stuff like the Barnes Triple shocks.

In all honesty there is certain terminal ballistic pluses in these all copper bullets, controlled penetration, expansion and integrity, much more than traditional lead based bullets.

For hunting big game they are now my main choice. They require certain rates of twist and velocity, but the results are far better than the best lead bonded trophy or A frame bullets. And the penetrate barriers quite well, not an AP round but they expand only when meeting a hydraulic substance like flesh.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 4:10:31 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Reaganite Republican

NDAA

Martial Law

Probably gold confiscation in next 4 years too


9 posted on 01/09/2013 4:12:31 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Reaganite Republican

Alex Jones and Infowars are not what I’d consider reliable sources of information.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 4:15:24 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: EricT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms_%28Norman_Rockwell%29

It doesn't get much more ironic than this. Government, which is supposed to protect and expand our freedoms, is now the greatest enemy of them.

11 posted on 01/09/2013 4:18:40 AM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Little Pig

You missed the point of acquiring and “training” with hollow-point rounds, which are illegal for use in combat by the Geneva Convention. Seems that “We The People” are excluded for consideration...along with indefinite detention and signing orders to kill America s with a stroke of Obama’s pen.


12 posted on 01/09/2013 4:18:55 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Reaganite Republican; Travis McGee; Jack Black
Heads up! I sense a cwiiping coming on.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 4:19:57 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Little Pig; Vendome
Some small misapprehensions with both of your responses: 7.62 NATO is .308 Winchester, more or less, just 5.56 NATO is .223 Remington in civilian. Hollow point ammunition is less effective against body armor than ball ammunition but is far more effective against flesh, so much so that it is a war crime for our armed forces to use it against our enemies.

The amount of ammunition they are buying is staggering: The entire US Atlantic Fleet annual requalification process used about 15 million rounds of .45 ACP circa 1978. What on earth would 500 times that much ammunition be used for, even over 5 years? Why would anyone use expensive and less reliable hollow point ammunition for training?

This whole mess has me losing sleep at night. I think that this regime has planned far more effectively than we have and we are about to find out about it before we have any chance at all to organize and prepare.

14 posted on 01/09/2013 4:20:30 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: EricT.

I use to think Alex Jones was extreme in his views also, warning of voting machine manipulation and government confiscating our guns...gee, maybe he was right after all on a lot of it. Maybe Ron Paul wasn’t such a wacko either. They said the same thing about John Birch Society too, but look back at the warnings...


15 posted on 01/09/2013 4:26:21 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Little Pig
Soft body armor worn my most LEOs will stop almost all standard handgun rounds up to and most 44 mag rounds.

The shift from 9mm to 40 came about from the FBI shoot out with 2 bank robbers in 1986,The FBI fired some where around 120 plus rounds contecting with only a few.

They tried to blame poor bullet performance instead of their poor tactics and shooting.

Shooting through body armor is more a velocity thing then a bullet design thing.

The longer ,harder and sharper point a bullet has the less velocity needed. One could make a needle sharp steel core and drive it through armor at fairly low velocity.

Hollow point pistol bullets are easier to stop the ball ammo.

16 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:01 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Little Pig

It is 7.62, and it it the standard sniper round, used in basically a Remington 700. It is also the standard 30 cal machine gun round.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:18 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Chainmail
Why do LEOs use hollow point instead of ball.

At that volume the price different is most likely not that great.

Only one kind to stock,liability with only kid of ammo it easy to say we train with what we carry.

18 posted on 01/09/2013 4:37:50 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

kid should be kind.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 4:38:32 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Reaganite Republican
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I need slogans
20 posted on 01/09/2013 4:46:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Little Pig

“isn’t a new development” - I’d be interested to know what were the past orders of ammunition by the government in the last 15 or 20 yrs.; that would clarify a lot and probably allay any possible panic thinking.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 5:00:24 AM PST by Twinkie (The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein. Ps. 24:1)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2975695/posts


22 posted on 01/09/2013 5:20:11 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eye of Unk

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control
23 posted on 01/09/2013 5:24:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Little Pig
I could be wrong, but JHP ammo is not used for training. JHP ammo is much more expensive and much more lethal.

It's my understanding that FMJ ammo is for training. It's much cheaper to shoot.

My read on this is that the JHP ammo is for duty rounds.

24 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:33 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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Yep, the Birchers were right all along. And that explains why the Marxist lapdog media savaged them then just as they savage those who want the truth about Obozo now.
Come the revolution, I vote we start with the media morons who’ve brought us to this point. That said, we must wait for the left to commence the festivities.
25 posted on 01/09/2013 5:38:12 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all?” —Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788


26 posted on 01/09/2013 6:09:27 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Perseverando
hahahaha!

I would not be surprised if Biteme actually said that!

FMCDH(BITS)

27 posted on 01/09/2013 6:52:53 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Little Pig

“Further, a huge chunk of that will get eaten up by re-qualification and training.”

No it won’t. All of this ammo is +p critical defense frangible rounds. You don’t use this type of ammo for practice. Its expensive, hard on the weapon and will wear down the backstops at the range. This is not ammo you use to re-qualify. Anybody who does practice with this stuff is going to develop a Hell of a flinch.

This ammo is prohibited internationally for war but its OK for them to use it on us. Ain’t Amerika great!


28 posted on 01/09/2013 8:36:12 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Chainmail

One thing I was thinking is that drones could be a big threat to anyone opposing the government if it did come to a civil war. It might be worth trying to figure out some countermeasures and have them ready just in case.

The Iranians have successfully brought at least one drone down via GPS spoofing, so that is one thing to look at. GPS signals are very weak, so even quite a low powered transmitter might be able to disrupt drone operations over quite a wide area.

Also, drones operate via a satellite link, so maybe there’s some way of jamming that, or of taking the satellites offline. In a civil war, bringing down the government communication network would certainly tip the odds a long way in your favour anyway.

Hopefully it never comes to that, but there seems to be a mass drift towards totalitarianism underway throughout the western world at the moment, and IMHO it’s a good idea to keep hoping for the best but start preparing for the worst just in case!


29 posted on 01/09/2013 9:22:12 AM PST by HughE
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To: HughE
Definitely an issue - but the government has also acquired immense new abilities to monitor all communications and activities. I sincerely hope that the majority of Americans who serve our government now would oppose actions against fellow citizens to support the Obama regime's unconstitutional directives but I don't know. There has been a steady change of culture where even the timid and harmless Tea Party is being depicted as a "terrorist organization", so who knows what actions will be followed or not. After all, Waco wasn't all that long ago.

We who believe in the citizen's absolute right to be armed and equal haven't done anything concrete to illuminate and clarify our position and most of us have spent most of our time scrambling to buy those things that we know will be unavailble in a matter of days. We should be networking to discuss our options, solidifying our trusted relationships and mobilizing - to Washington DC - to show the "representatives" how many of us there are. Just waiting for the next crooked election cycle is not going to help us. I have called the NRA and GOA to try to get a rally started and maybe if some of the rest of you get on them too, maybe something will get done. Just waiting to see what happens never works out well.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 9:57:28 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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