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Do You Know About Obamacareís Part-Time Trap
http://www.libertynews.com/ ^ | january 8, 2013 | jimmie bise jr

Posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:30 AM PST by lowbridge

Moe Lane highlighted a number of business in several states that are cutting their employees’ hours (when they’re not actually laying off employees), to prepare for the coming asteroid-strike that are the Obamacare taxes. The IRS, which is in charge of enforcing the bazillion-page monstrosity, recently decided 30 hours is the new “full-time” and so tens of thousands of workers will find their hours cut from a normal 32-40 down to 29, so their bosses can afford to keep them on the payroll.

The whole cycle of government action/business reaction/government overreaction was as predictable as an Obama campaign speech but that didn’t stop the administration from shoving Obamacare on us with a haughty “you’ll find out what it’s all about later, peasant”. Now, we’re in the reaction stage of the cycle.

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1 posted on 01/09/2013 7:22:36 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

It is incredible that ObamaCARE does not provide
rules for either Congress or Moslems.

What kind of “Law” is that??


2 posted on 01/09/2013 7:25:36 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis

Orwellian Sharia?


3 posted on 01/09/2013 7:27:58 AM PST by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: Diogenesis

A law that violates the equal protection clause.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 7:28:51 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

Equal protection? We don’t NEED no stinkin’ equal protection!

Just do it and shut up, peasant. Who are YOU to be talking to your betters that way?

Laws are for chumps. Unless it can be used to give the complainers a fetch upside the head.


5 posted on 01/09/2013 7:38:28 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: reg45

It violates common sense.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 7:47:20 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: lowbridge

Even the Liberals who voted for this community organizer will be complaining and I, for one, can’t wait to hear them.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 7:48:43 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: lowbridge

Counting the SS tax restoration (should not have been cut in the first place, but it is was it is), workers are getting pay cuts like this:

Cutting from 40 hrs to 29: 29% pay cut
From 38 to 29: 25% pay cut
From 36 to 29: 21%
From 32 to 29: 11.3%
From 30 to 29: 5.3%

That’s pretty severe - no matter how few hours you lose. Never mind what happens once you’re forced to buy insurance on top of that.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 7:52:18 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Diogenesis

That is the rub I could not get RINO’s and libs I argued with about this stuff. Congress is passing laws and exempting themselves. These idiots could not understand that fact. I guess since this was never covered on TMZ or the Bravo channel they didn’t beleive it.


9 posted on 01/09/2013 7:57:42 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: lowbridge
The IRS [...] recently decided 30 hours is the new “full-time”[...]

This illustrates the danger of allowing bureaucracies to make 'rules' which are referenced by laws.

10 posted on 01/09/2013 8:05:05 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: alancarp

And don’t forget the tax increases, which result in more pay cuts.

On the plus side (by libtard standards), when employers cut hours, they’ll have to hire more employees, which will lower the unemployment rate. Win, win, win! Problem solved. /s


11 posted on 01/09/2013 8:06:14 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ √ě)
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To: alancarp

alancarp ~:” Cutting from 40 hrs to 29: 29% pay cut
From 38 to 29: 25% pay cut
From 36 to 29: 21%
From 32 to 29: 11.3%
From 30 to 29: 5.3%
That’s pretty severe - no matter how few hours you lose. Never mind what happens once you’re forced to buy insurance on top of that. “

But look at the positive side : unemployment is going down !! / sarc
Just because you cant support your family on one part-time job , you’ll have to find another, second job, if you can find one !
That’s how Zero is improving the economy thru ‘job creation’; ask Joe Biden
It’s too bad that Congress gets paid to do non-Congressional business ; maybe we should pay them only while they do Congressional bussiness , and NOT Pay when they are fundraising for their party.
Congress = part-time work for full time pay and benefits


12 posted on 01/09/2013 8:06:27 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: BykrBayb; C. Edmund Wright
The unreported story here is what will happen to the owner of the franchise when his 28 hour a week workers figure out they are better off unemployed and on government benefits. Then, the opportunity for the entrepreneur will be done for.

Again, all according to plan.....

13 posted on 01/09/2013 8:15:30 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: lowbridge

Wait until these workers face not only a cut in hours and pay, but a big “fine” on their tax bill because they cannot get health insurance. Many workers who lose their health insurance will find private plans unaffordable and yet they make too much to qualify for Medicaid. The much vaunted Health Care Exchanges which are to be fully functioning by October 1st of this year are no where in sight. Because many states are opting out of creating the exchanges the federal government will have to create them and there is no money appropriated for that purpose. Hence many workers who now have insurance by 2014 will be uninsured and fined.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 8:23:12 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ

To all pin-headed morons and uniformed voters who did not vote or voted for nobama/LIBs/DIMs... BwahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 8:34:23 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: alloysteel
Equal protection? We don’t NEED no stinkin’ equal protection!

Egg-zackly. like a 'progressive' income tax that punishes people who are successful more than the less successful .

16 posted on 01/09/2013 8:34:34 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: lowbridge

WOW! Those companies doing the 29 hour work week thing is up for a big surprise!


17 posted on 01/09/2013 8:38:20 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: All

They won’t complain about Obama or Democrats, they will complain about GREEDY COMPANIES who won’t pay for their healthcare. You know it’s coming.


18 posted on 01/09/2013 8:40:50 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: lowbridge; All
If patriots would get themselves up to speed on the Constitution and its history then they would be able to wipe Obamacare out of the law books arguably overnight.

More specifically regarding Obamacare-related labor issues, constitution-impaired patriots are unsurprisingly oblivious to the idea that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate voluntary labor. And even if Congress had the constitutional authority to regulate labor, the Founding States made the VERY FIRST (very difficult to find / sarc) numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that ALL legislative powers of the federal government are vested in the ELECTED members of Congress. So elected members of Congress have a constitutonal monopoly on federal legislative powers whether they it or not.

In other words, by allowing constitutonally undefined federal regulatory pawns like the IRS to define labor-related issues, like what full-time hours are, something that Congress itself doesn't have the constitutional autority to do, coward Congress is wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in defiance of Sections 1-3 of Article I. Similar arguments for EPA, FR, etc.

Widespread ignorance of the Constitution has given corrupt Congress a license to ignore its Article V requirement to petition the states for new amendents which would grant Congress specific new powers. Speaking of which, Congress ignored former Congressman Jessie Jackson's resolution to propose a healthcare amendment to the states.

But wait! There's more!

Not only have the states never delegated to Congress the specific power to regulate labor, consider the following. When the Supreme Court was deciding the constitutionality of Obamacare in 2012, it probably never occurred to Constitution-imparied patriots, thanks in large part to Obama guard dog Fx News, that earlier generations of justices had already clarified that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate, tax and spend for healthcare.

"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress (emphases added)." --Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description (emphasis added), as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass." --Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln, 1837.
“Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously (emphasis added) beyond the power of Congress.” –Linder v. United States, 1925.

Here's Judge Napolitano clarfying in terms of Section 8 of Article I (what's that?) that federal Obamacare is unconstitutional.

Judge Napolitano & the Constitution

Sadly, as I have ranted in other posts, the delegates to the Con-Con probably never dreamed that the ultimate idea for many citizens of the pursuit of happiness mentioned in the Preamble to the Constitution would be to complain about tyrannical federal government. But since this is evidently the case as evidenced by the way that patriots are reacting to constitutionally indefensible federal programs like Obamacare, the Founders arguably wasted their time writing everything that follows the happiness clause.

Constitution-ignorant "patriots" DESERVE Obama.

Have a nice day. :^)

Don't talk to me.

19 posted on 01/09/2013 11:20:12 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: lowbridge

There is another part to this “part time trap”.

The ObamaCare law specifies taxes on employers with 50 or more full time employees.

The IRS is trying to interpret that as “50 or more full time employees OR EQUIVALENT”. (i.e., 20 employees at 20 hrs per week = 10 full time employees).

I expect this one to go to court — if Congress had wanted to add the words “or equivalent”, they could have — but didn’t.


20 posted on 01/10/2013 8:30:31 AM PST by Mack the knife
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