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Some gun regulation doesn't mean total confiscation (A new meme?)
The Reporter-Herald ^ | January 10, 2013 | James Ure

Posted on 01/11/2013 5:13:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

To the editor:

A recent editorial called for unlimited gun ownership to defend against the government. I hear this argument a lot, but what good is your AR-15 when you're fighting the full force of the United States military? All they have to do is drop a smart bomb on your house from high above and you're done. You wouldn't even see it coming. Alternatively, they could simply run over your house with a Kevlar-plated M1 Abrams tank, or shell your dwelling from cannons positioned far away.

I support the right to bear arms to protect your home and family against criminals, but your shotgun isn't going to do much against the U.S. Marines. It seems some gun advocates think any gun regulation is the first step to total confiscation of all weapons held in private hands. This is ridiculous and paranoid. Just because some want to limit gun ownership to non-semi-automatic weapons, doesn't mean the next step is a total ban on all guns. Even if there were enough people to support such a drastic measure, which there are not, they'd have to scrub the U.S. Constitution of the Second Amendment. As a historian, I can assure you that such a task would be nearly impossible...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; banglist; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; marinecorps; obama; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment
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We weren't able to kill all our opponents in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Afghanistan or Iraq. What makes this "historian" think that the US military could do here what they couldn't do overseas?
1 posted on 01/11/2013 5:13:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

back off, i’m a historian.

big whoop.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 5:15:38 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All Mr Ure is doing when writing this trash is getting his name on a bunch of people’s lists.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 5:18:25 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I always have felt that those who don't learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.

Athens Tennessee is a good example of what armed citizens can do against corrupt politicians. Not the full force of the combined US military, but local government.

It is an interesting story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw And one that should not be forgotten.

4 posted on 01/11/2013 5:20:04 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr Ure has staked out a 'moderate' position on gun control - he only wants to ban semi-automatic weapons.

Leaving guns lever & bolt action rifles & single action handguns - and muzzle loaders - as the only weapons available to the public.

What an idiot.

5 posted on 01/11/2013 5:20:04 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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6 posted on 01/11/2013 5:20:44 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some EOs don’t mean large-scale compliance


7 posted on 01/11/2013 5:21:03 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Farmer Dean

Yep.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 5:21:52 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Jews in Germany had the same arms as the govt does anyone really believe there would have been gas chambers?


9 posted on 01/11/2013 5:24:27 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Madison, Federalist Paper #46.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 5:24:55 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We already have 20,000 gun laws.

Literally.

Let's try repealing a few instead, and see what happens.

11 posted on 01/11/2013 5:25:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Our military does not do well when fighting people who are fighting for their freedoms on their own turf. We lost in Vietnam and are now leaving Afghanistan before we officially loose that war as well. When the freedom fighters can hit and then fade back into the local civilian population our military is hamstrung. If it happens here it will be Vietnam X 100. The other thing to take a good strong look at is the "oath keepers" If someone really thinks that US military will kill our own people they better think again. It would be much more likely that the military would depose the new dictator and put our country in the hands of the Leader of the House as our new president.
12 posted on 01/11/2013 5:26:22 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

*** Just because some want to limit gun ownership to non-semi-automatic weapons, doesn’t mean the next step is a total ban on all guns.***

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years.

The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


13 posted on 01/11/2013 5:27:18 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Farmer Dean
One would hope.

Fur Shur I don't want him moving in my neighborhood ~ we're already oversubscribed on all sorts of 'target people' ~ one more and we might well tip over.

14 posted on 01/11/2013 5:27:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It seems some gun advocates think any gun regulation is the first step to total confiscation of all weapons held in private hands. This is ridiculous and paranoid.

The jughead doesn't have a very good memory does he? They started out asking people to smoke in the back of the airplane. Now, they'll arrest you if you fire one up out in the middle of the Gobi desert in a windstorm. It's the old "camel's nose" technique. It's better to never let them get started.

15 posted on 01/11/2013 5:27:29 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: Farmer Dean
One would hope.

Fur Shur I don't want him moving in my neighborhood ~ we're already oversubscribed on all sorts of 'target people' ~ one more and we might well tip over.

16 posted on 01/11/2013 5:27:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red in Blue PA; Robert357

Read all about it:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


17 posted on 01/11/2013 5:31:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It seems some gun advocates think any gun regulation is the first step to total confiscation of all weapons held in private hands. This is ridiculous and paranoid.

The jughead doesn't have a very good memory does he? They started out asking people to smoke in the back of the airplane. Now, they'll arrest you if you fire one up out in the middle of the Gobi desert in a windstorm. It's the old "camel's nose" technique. It's better to never let them get started.

18 posted on 01/11/2013 5:32:51 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
~Chancellor Adolf Hitler
19 posted on 01/11/2013 5:35:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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but what good is your AR-15 when you’re fighting the full force of the United States military?

I will go ask the Viet Cong about that.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 5:35:43 PM PST by omega4179 ( Huelo azufre)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Check out the “Battle of Athens, TN”
http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html


21 posted on 01/11/2013 5:37:07 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey historian friend,

1. Who’s to say 1/2 the army defects with their technology?
2. Who’s to say they remainder have to battle 10 million or so angry rednecks all driving toward DC at once?
3. Who’s to say the majority of police will simply abandon their post and protect their families?


22 posted on 01/11/2013 5:39:50 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just because some want to limit gun ownership to non-semi-automatic weapons, doesn't mean the next step is a total ban on all guns.

Doesn't this idiot know that semi-automatic weapons make up more than 80% of all new guns sold?

23 posted on 01/11/2013 5:40:58 PM PST by expat2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So if each new round of gun laws only remove half of our freedom, we will never be totally enslaved in the end.

Zeno's paradoxes

24 posted on 01/11/2013 5:41:02 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All it would take is one F-22 pilot and crew on the side of the American people to completely obliterate the D.C. Marxists’ command and control center.


25 posted on 01/11/2013 5:41:02 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some regulation didn't mean an end to the First Amendment rights of free speech..

but for decades the "Fairness Doctrine" said that free speech meant that the licensed broadcasting industry (individual radio stations) must offer air time for opposing viewpoints on controversial issues.. or else!

The First Amendment remained but conservative opinion was stifled simply by citizens' (liberal shills') complaints about "fairness" thus threatening the station owners' licenses..

a kinda of "Fairness Doctrine" approach would give the illusion that the Second Amendment was respected. Maybe complaints from gun-grabber shills that it's not fair how Joe Gunowner does this or that so he must store his firearms at a government location or something . . . .

The point is: Some regulation didn't mean an end to the First Amendment rights of free speech but . . . .

26 posted on 01/11/2013 5:43:00 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No kidding, that article has to be written by a total idiot. I suspect he hasn't thought much about modern conflicts. Hopefully we never have such a situation in our nation, but how exactly, in a political sense, does the author think that our government could stay in power if it was, as he suggests, shelling residential neighborhoods?

Unlike overseas wars, it just isn't possible to use unrestrained force, like artillery, on targets that are mixed in with your supporters. Put another way, does anybody really think that any US government would order shelling of a neighborhood whose residents included the families of government employees, elected officials of the same party, and members of the military? Of course not, the idea is preposterous, and indicative of the foolish mindset of the author.

27 posted on 01/11/2013 5:43:00 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: omega4179

Not only that, but third-world villagers in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and the Sudan have been able to fashion increasingly deadly explosives out of obsolete munitions or improvised ingredients. We are a nation of engineers, technicians, scientists, reloaders, military veterans and chemists. Imagine what we’ll come up with if need be.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 5:44:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country.

Good luck with that, given how many have been sold within the last month or so, thanks to Obama, Biden, et al. Even my Democrat ex-wife wants to buy her first handgun.

29 posted on 01/11/2013 5:45:32 PM PST by expat2
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To: expat2

“Beware the government that seeks to outlaw the types of firearms they fear would be the most effective against them.” — Anonymous


30 posted on 01/11/2013 5:46:10 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t plan on shooting at tanks, I plan on shooting at the politicians who send them.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 5:46:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: oldenuff2no

What good did the PCA do for the Branch Davidians?


32 posted on 01/11/2013 5:48:13 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A recent editorial called for unlimited gun ownership to defend against the government. I hear this argument a lot, but what good is your AR-15 when you're fighting the full force of the United States military? All they have to do is drop a smart bomb on your house from high above and you're done. You wouldn't even see it coming. Alternatively, they could simply run over your house with a Kevlar-plated M1 Abrams tank, or shell your dwelling from cannons positioned far away.

Of course, they'd have to do that to everyone who had ANY signs of fealty to the Constitution or Bill of Rights, because not everyone would declare their intentions. Stealth and surprise, or OPSEC in military parlance, is its own 'force multiplier' when a civilian is is resident in a civilian population. The best camouflage one can wear in America is not pixilated forest green; The best camouflage one can wear in America is blue jeans, a t-shirt, and some Nikes.

Those who are prepared to act, never should talk. Those who talk, never should act.

33 posted on 01/11/2013 5:48:26 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but what good is your AR-15 when you're fighting the full force of the United States military?

Asymmetrical warfare is very effective against any superior armed force, and to believe that having even a semi-automatic rifle when fighting our own military is useless displays exceptional ignorance or an outright fraudulent statement. Such an imbecile should ask our own military how they feel about such an absurd statement.

If such a weapon would be so useless against our own military, why worry about civilians owning them in the first place if their primary purpose is to fight against a tyrannical government? I think the government, not to mention China's government, absolutely want these weapons out of our hands, and the reason is because they know how effective such weapons are against a professional military.

All they have to do is drop a smart bomb on your house from high above and you're done.

There aren't nearly enough bombs to eradicate all of the patriots who will be fighting those who have such weaponry, nor would it be cost effective to attempt to disarm guerrilla fighters in such a fashion, obviously. Also, those dropping the bombs live here as well and by no means are they or their loved ones immune to retaliation.

Alternatively, they could simply run over your house with a Kevlar-plated M1 Abrams tank, or shell your dwelling from cannons positioned far away.

Anti-tank mines, along with other "interesting" munitions and anti armor "items" that can be acquired, are not so difficult to produce by a determined group of patriots, and are undeniably effective if positioned effectively. Also, as stated above, those who are driving said tanks and their loved ones are not immune to retaliation, and logistics for those large weapons of war are by no means going to be secure.

Artillery or mortars, or even MLRS, are very effective weapons, but the crew that serves those weapons are by no means "invulnerable", and the same I've noted above is just as true for those who are manning such weapons.

The arguments provided by this person attempting to dissuade patriots from even attempting to mount any opposition to our government is either unbelievably ignorant or simply mouthing talking points that he knows are only "partial truths", IMO.
34 posted on 01/11/2013 5:49:48 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Be much more careful please. Say a lot less.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 5:49:54 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I don’t plan on shooting at tanks, I plan on shooting at the politicians who send them.

One would think the politicians and lamestream media will be the first to fall, since they are the cause of this mess. They must not be allowed to flee.
36 posted on 01/11/2013 5:55:51 PM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

BFL


37 posted on 01/11/2013 5:59:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: RitchieAprile
He should have started his letter off like this

"Hi there, I'm an idiot, so listen to me..."

38 posted on 01/11/2013 6:02:33 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was a Fort Hood when it was still called the XM-1 tank. We don’t have that many tanks and there are ways to defeat them.


39 posted on 01/11/2013 6:06:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All gun regulations are an infringement.


40 posted on 01/11/2013 6:19:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Lazamataz

Understood.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 6:19:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lets see, from all I’ve been able to find out, it will be OUR side driving those Abrams.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 6:19:27 PM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, and by the by, Mr. So-Called-Historian: Abram tanks are not plated with Kevlar. Kevlar is a flexible fabric intended only to be employed in low-performance personal body armor. Abram tanks are plated with Chobham armor, a proprietary mix of ceramics and high-performance, specially hardened steel.


43 posted on 01/11/2013 6:29:59 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It seems some gun advocates think any gun regulation is the first step to total confiscation of all weapons held in private hands.

We already have plenty of gun regulations. Why do you believe we need more, James? Liberals have repeatedly shown that there can never be enough government control.

44 posted on 01/11/2013 6:36:04 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A historian should be aware of Partisans, be they French, Russian, Yugoslav, or other nationality. Check how many German divisions were tied up in the Greek mountains by armed civilians during WWII. Does any government entity really want to go up against resolute and popularly supported “Chetniks” or “Chindits” in the U.S.? If so, they had better rethink that strategy.


45 posted on 01/11/2013 6:36:11 PM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are literally thousands of illegal gun laws on the books now. But MORE is f*cking “reasonable”?

Ah... No.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 6:37:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All they have to do is drop a smart bomb on your house from high above and you're done.

And they are going to do that in urban and suburban neighborhoods all over America and say "oh, well" to all the lib/Dem collateral damage and the 0bama Zombie 51% are still going to love 0bamugabe?

OK, perfesser, I'll grant you that ridiculous position and simply respond 'if that's how it is then it's time to stash some real arms like Ma Deuces, RPGs, MANPADs and IED-making supplies and when the gooberment starts dropping Biden Bombs we wipe every single commie like you off the face of the planet.' And without even asking them my Marine friends absolutely agree.

47 posted on 01/11/2013 6:42:34 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. We are about to be kicked out of Afghanistan by a bunch of savages...and one spineless Hawaiian. The author also assumes the entire military would go along with oppressing fellow Americans. I think he is in for a bit of a shock.


48 posted on 01/11/2013 6:44:14 PM PST by Miguel Alberto
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To: Lazamataz

Basic IRA rule ~ we all look alike anyway


49 posted on 01/11/2013 6:46:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The area that can be controlled by one tank is, suffice to say, insignificant. That’s not what they are for!


50 posted on 01/11/2013 6:49:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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