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Ominous gun control words from Biden: 'unless we can do everything we’re going to do nothing'
netwmd.com ^ | 1/12/2013 | netWMD Staff

Posted on 01/12/2013 11:25:29 AM PST by forty_years

Vice President Joe Biden said on Wednesday that President Barack Obama could use executive action and bypass Congress to further restrict gun ownership by private citizens. ...

"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion (that) unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important (that) we act."

- Albany Tribune News, January 10, 2013

"Unless we can do everything?" What does this man mean? "Do everything" means an unlimited set of options. Does Biden mean that he and President Obama will ignore the U.S. Constitution, ignore legal precedents, and even call out the Armed Forces to take away the gun rights of all Americans? This sounds like a power-grab -- and a fear of empowered citizens -- given the fact that gun control has no effect on reducing crime. For example, "the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban." Biden's words are absolutely frightening, but even more so as he uttered them in the same venue where he tabled the equally ominous possibility that "President Barack Obama could use executive action and bypass Congress to further restrict gun ownership by private citizens." We already know that President Obama is willing to disregard the Constitution he is sworn to uphold:

A new paper by John Yoo (UC Berkeley School of Law) and Robert J. Delahunty (University of St. Thomas School of Law, Minnesota) raises many questions about President Obama's decision to grant legal status to nearly two million illegal aliens under deferred action and concludes that the president's act "threatens to vest the executive branch with broad domestic policy authority that the Constitution does not grant it." If taken to its logical conclusion, President Obama's lawless action has the power to undermine the entirety of immigration law, while expanding the presidential power in all domestic policy areas. ...

[TAKE ACTION NOW TO PROTECT GUN RIGHTS]

Are we faced with the president who would be king? This nation was founded on the throwing off of tyranny. Are we now seeing the return to tyranny, where Obama rules by caveat? The president has friends in high places when it comes to attempting to take away Americans' right bear arms.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has crafted legislation that is a direct attack on the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment. Her "bill" would place all sorts of heinous restrictions on U.S. citizens' sacred right to bear arms:

According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein's website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of "assault weapon" that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. ...

Feinstein's legislation is Orwellian in the restrictions it would impose on Americans. For example, her bill would "ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with California's highly restrictive ban." She's not even satisfied with her own state's (California's) over-the-top gun laws. The bill uses extremely complex definitions which could be applied to many different types of firearms. This type of language will set up a scenario where armies of gun-control lawyers will use convoluted law-fare to try to ban everything under the sun:

... For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the "pistol grip" of which "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon," the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any "grip ... or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." Also, the new bill adds "forward grip" to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as "a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip." Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. ...

Just reading the wording of this law-babble is nauseating -- but it's meant to be confusing. Feinstein uses scare tactics, wants to create Stalinist-era-like lists of citizens, prevaricates about the effectiveness of gun control, and sets forth unconstitutional provisions. Her legislation:

This legalese gobbledygook bears no resemblance to one of the founding principles of this nation as enshrined in the Second Amendment, stated simply and concisely:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The phrase "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" is straightforward and certainly does not codify anything about "forward grips," "characteristics," "AR-15s," or "rocket launchers." How did we get from the time of being a nation that overthrew tyranny to now, where our ability to protect ourselves, families, friends, and other citizens, and to maintaining the ability to protect our democracy for internal and external threats, is threatened by people obsessed with control and power? Is it time to welcome back King George, er, ah, Obama? Look at a few examples of what our Founding Fathers said about Americans' right to bear arms:

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... " -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

We have all this hoo-hah despite the fact that gun control doesn't do anything to reduce crime. For example:

The list of facts supporting the right to bear arms, even "assault weapons," is endless: "Millions of Americans own so-called 'assault weapons' and tens of millions own 'large' magazines, for self-defense, target shooting, and hunting. For more information about the history of the 'assault weapon' issue, please visit www.GunBanFacts.com." Those of us who believe in our Constitution and cherish the right to bear arms must ACT NOW to stop the current push by people like President Obama, Vice President Biden, and Senator Feinstein to take our inviolable gun rights. We must make our voices loud and clear. We must act through democratic means by contacting our elected representatives, who are sworn to serve us, and tell them to uphold the constitutional right to bear arms, which they are sworn to uphold.

TAKE ACTION NOW TO PROTECT GUN RIGHTS

Write a polite and factual letter to the president and each of your elected representatives in Washington. Keep it short and sweet and to the point (e.g., "I urge you to oppose Sen. Feinstein's gun control legislation"). State the facts. Follow up by calling each of your elected reps, making a short statement emphasizing what you composed in your letter. Using any/all of the following links, you'll find the resources you need to:

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; feinstein; guncontrol; guns; joebiden; joebidenguns; obama; sandyhookpolitics; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/12/2013 11:25:34 AM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years
"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion (that) unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said

I am waiting for the media to jump all over Biden for his stridency and unwillingness to negotiate and compromise, in the same way they attack conservatives.

Not.

2 posted on 01/12/2013 11:32:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: forty_years
The title is somewhat more encouraging (and misleading) than the actual text.
They will do as much as they can before the pushback grows to outside of their comfort zone.
3 posted on 01/12/2013 11:35:17 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: forty_years

This is not ominous at all.
The fed govt is without authority to do anything in gun control (and for that matter, the existing background checks, while an appealing idea I believe prudent, are patently unconstitutional in their own right... and no doubt would have to be struck down if NRA or someone mounted a challenge).

I read Biden’s comment as preparing the country for the “doing nothing” option, accompanied with, of course, tons of political BS speeches about how their hands are tied and how they wished so very much to “protect us” .. etc...)

ps: happened to drive within about a mile and quarter of a gun show, on way to another destination. The parking lots were all full (there are extensive parking lots!) and they had traffic lined up blocking all vehicular movement for a mile on each side of the show site.... cars waiting in the traffic lanes for a chance to squeeze into the lot as soon as anybody left the show. FYI. We were extremely lucky to be able to reach a corner where we were able to make a legal U-turn and get away from the traffic tie-up; we never did get to our intended destination. It is obvious that nobody plans to be giving up their guns — indeed I wish we had stock in the manufacturers’ companies they must be making a FORTUNE since O and Biden started spouting off their political bs about taking people’s guns away. (HUM... maybe O and Biden purchased stock in the companies last year...???????? ha! Naw, they’d never do anything dishonest.... forget it!)


4 posted on 01/12/2013 11:40:37 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: forty_years
"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion (that) unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important (that) we act."

Translation: "I'm too stupid to know that if I overreach, I'll cause a severe backlash."

5 posted on 01/12/2013 11:41:56 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: forty_years
Does Biden mean that he and President Obama will ignore the U.S. Constitution, ignore legal precedents, and even call out the Armed Forces to take away the gun rights of all Americans?

Obama WILL try to ignore the Second Amendment, and he will try to ignore established US Statutes and the process for enacting Legal laws through both houses. Unequivocally!

He WILL issue Executive Orders that infringe on the citizens' rights to bear arms, and his lap dog Executive agencies like the ATF will establish regulations and BS rules that try to coerce citizens to comply.

An Executive Order is a directive to an Executive Branch agency to follow some administrative edict from the President. I contend that it is not LAW; any rule, regulation or order must have some basis in established Federal Law to be consitutional.

I am not his employee, I am not his frigging 'subject'. If the ATF whoever cannot cite established legal LAWS on which their rulings, edicts or demands are based, I am not going to comply, period. I won't have any weapons when they come.

6 posted on 01/12/2013 11:45:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: dirtboy; All
0'Buttcrack's EO vs The US Constitution 2nd Amendment...
0'ButtCrack Is Playing Chicken against the US Constitutional Law
and he's looking for a weaken opposition to "rollover"

7 posted on 01/12/2013 11:58:22 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Given the track record of the so-called “opposition party” that is the Republicans, do you doubt they will “roll-over”?


8 posted on 01/12/2013 12:01:39 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gaffer

I will die when they come, the only question is haw many of them will also die.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 12:07:33 PM PST by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: Gaffer
He WILL issue Executive Orders that infringe on the citizens' rights to bear arms, and his lap dog Executive agencies like the ATF will establish regulations and BS rules that try to coerce citizens to comply.

I agree with everything you said.

What is truly infuriating is that we all know that the GOP-e leadership in D.C. will NOT stand up for the 2nd Amendment. They are are contemptible cowards.

If I was writing a fictional essay on what happens after the collapse, it would start with all the GOP-e being chased into oblivion and then move to taking on the evil left.

Boehner, McConnel are disgusting, panty-wearing girly men.

10 posted on 01/12/2013 12:07:33 PM PST by sand88
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To: faithhopecharity

I agree, this is not iminous, it’s good news.

Biden is setting up the anti-freedom base for the outcome of a meaningless law or two getting passed.

What he means is that he knows nothing big will be passed regarding guns.

Standard Obama procedure, talk very big, do very little.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 12:30:04 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: forty_years

Who knows what Biden means. The man has never had a cogent thought in his life.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 12:41:16 PM PST by Venturer
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To: forty_years
Someone on that site has a reading comprehension problem.

Uncle Joe is saying that the Regime won't take an all-or-nothing approach. That they will push through whatever they can get is the real message. It does our side no good whatsoever when we go off about what the other side didn't say. It's especially embarrassing when the entire quote is there to put Biden's words in context.

Stuning our beebers in the shower may make for hugh and vey series fun on FreeRepublic, but it harms our cause when we post material from bloggers who can't read.

13 posted on 01/12/2013 12:44:21 PM PST by Redcloak (CA conservatives: Go to https://rtv.sos.ca.gov/elections/register-to-vote/ to quit the GOP!)
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To: Venturer

>> Who knows what Biden means. The man has never had a cogent thought in his life.

WE HAVE A WINNER


14 posted on 01/12/2013 12:57:25 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: All
DiFi forgot to add -

“All Phasors sold may only have a Stun setting”

...to her bill..../S

15 posted on 01/12/2013 12:58:19 PM PST by az_gila
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16 posted on 01/12/2013 1:03:37 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: forty_years
Biden: 'unless we can do everything we’re going to do nothing'

Really, what good is a collectivist agenda without a suitable genocidal finale?

17 posted on 01/12/2013 1:13:14 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: forty_years

All or nothing—Fine by me.

I got first dibs on Holder.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 1:16:44 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: OneWingedShark; All
Given the track record of the so-called “opposition party”
that is the Republicans, do you doubt they will “roll-over”?
Is the Pope ...; Does a Bear ...
Water is wet...etc..etc..etc.
We, As a people, who believe in
Representative Republic are doomed.

19 posted on 01/12/2013 1:19:40 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: dirtboy
I am waiting for the media to jump all over Biden for his stridency and unwillingness to negotiate and compromise, in the same way they attack conservatives.

Should be here in the next millenium or two.....

20 posted on 01/12/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by mykroar ("I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TLEIBY308

We outnumber them 10:1.

If we can each take just ONE of them wtih us... We win.

This is a cup lifted to my lips that i will not hesitate to drink from. I will miss my life. I would miss freedom for my children more...


21 posted on 01/12/2013 1:34:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Of course, that isn’t plan A either....

I’m no martyr. Just resolute.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 1:36:11 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: forty_years

I nominate this for the most misleading thread title ever.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 1:49:36 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: grobdriver
They will do as much as they can before the pushback grows to outside of their comfort zone.

Exactly. What this statement actually means is that they're already facing a backlash they weren't ready for and are scrambling to find something they can do to save face. My guess is that the Republicans will roll, too, even when they don't have to because they've done it before. BTT.

24 posted on 01/12/2013 1:52:18 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Redcloak; All

Redcloak wrote:

“...Uncle Joe is saying that the Regime won’t take an all-or-nothing approach. That they will push through whatever they can get is the real message. ....”

In other words Joe is saying “ehhhh, I’ll take what I can get.”

When a negotiation gets to that point, the guy saying it realizes he has pushed WAAAAY too far.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 2:42:30 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: grobdriver
The title is somewhat more encouraging (and misleading) than the actual text.

Which is why WND will never have any credibility as a publisher.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 3:37:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Billthedrill
I've stated to my congress-critter and Senators both (well, their offices) that there is to be NO COMPROMISE on this issue - that the left has gone as far as they are going to on gun control, and even if they pass new laws they will be ignored.

This has to be our line in the sand. I tried to get that across to the moron aides on the phone but I'm not sure they got it.

27 posted on 01/12/2013 5:51:36 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks forty_years.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 6:22:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: forty_years


29 posted on 01/12/2013 6:34:31 PM PST by Bratch
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To: forty_years

Going for everything...is going off the deep end and getting nothing. May the Lord drive our enemies crazy with the lust for power and in their hatreds.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 8:18:47 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: forty_years

I just had a chilling vision, a team of combined forces from HS, ATF, FBI and some other agencies try a reversed role Blackhawk Down situation except they are ambushed by tens of thousands of Revolutionary Patriots with upconverted SUV technicals, big rig rolling arsenals and even crop dusters converted to well, use your imagination.

The MSM goes ape crazy ballistic watching besieged Federal Arms Collectionists under heavy fire and surrounded. Talking heads of the liberal persuasion argue the use of hellfire drones and gas attacks.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 8:38:22 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: All

I’m willing to die defending my God-given, inalienable right to keep and bear arms. Are you willing to die trying to take it from me?

Well are ya, punk?


32 posted on 01/12/2013 9:29:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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