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Obama Executive Orders on Guns Would Spark Mass Resistance
The New American ^ | January 10, 2013 | Alex Newman

Posted on 01/12/2013 2:05:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As the Obama administration openly vows to use unconstitutional “executive orders” to further infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, gun rights activists, members of the law enforcement community, military personnel and others are pledging to resist. Everything from an armed uprising and nationwide civil disobedience to legal means of resistance like the courts and nullification is being openly discussed online and even in the establishment media.

“The president is going to act,” pledged Vice President Joe Biden, who is leading an administration task force to further restrict gun rights in the wake of the Newtown massacre. "Executive order, executive action can be taken, we haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and all the rest of the cabinet members, as well as legislative action we believe is required."

The Constitution, of course, reserves all legislative powers to Congress — not to mention the specific prohibition against infringements on gun rights contained in the Second Amendment. But disgraced Attorney General Eric Holder, who is helping develop the “executive action” plot, was caught in the 1990s on video calling for a tax-funded campaign to “brainwash” people against guns. He was also held in criminal contempt of Congress for lying about Operation Fast and Furious, which saw the Justice Department providing thousands of powerful guns to Mexican drug cartels through the ATF...

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: backoffbarry; banglist; ericholder; fubo; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; nocompromise; obama; secondamendment; tyranny; wewillnotcomply; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/12/2013 2:05:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The SOP of the corrupt, undocumented Communist Administration:


2 posted on 01/12/2013 2:09:35 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Latest rumor over my transom says that POTUS will issue EO next week banning transfer of semi-autos until "a law" is passed.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 2:10:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

4 posted on 01/12/2013 2:12:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It appears that there is now less cause for panic.

This isn’t 1968 & we’re not in the U.K.

The forces of liberty are filling with that “terrible resolve” & more rifles are arrayed behind more blades of grass. With determined eyes blazing behind them.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 2:12:35 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He was also held in criminal contempt of Congress for lying about Operation Fast and FuriousMost criminals are in prison. Why is this putrefying piece of excrement still walking free?
6 posted on 01/12/2013 2:14:51 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; marktwain; Joe Brower; CodeToad; MestaMachine; Nachum; neverdem

Stick to your guns—no matter what!

by Matt Bracken

If they come to take away your guns by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was during another famous gun confiscation... raid on April 19, 1775.

If a firearm was legal in 2012, under the 2nd Amendment it’s still legal in 2013 and it will be legal forever, no matter what so-called “executive orders” are handed down or new “laws” are passed by a panicking Congress. Those who say otherwise are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

Every survivor of every genocide says the same thing: when they come to take your guns, shoot them! Make them take them, and their system of repression will be overwhelmed, because they don’t have millions of jack-booted thugs ready to do armed battles all over the country.

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. government. This trust is invariably fatal: ask the American Indians about those treaties that were guaranteed forever.

History is clear, with numerous examples, of the danger of gun registration and gun control. The German gun registration laws were enacted duuring the 1920s Weimar Republic, years before Hitler came to power. German gun registration was mandated in the name of “public safety.” Note that phrase well. I’m sure today’s liberal utopians would agree that they were “common sense” and “reasonable” gun control laws. Don’t we all want “public safety?”

Then Hitler rose to power, and used the gun registration lists to first disarm the Jews, and then to force them into starving, overcrowded ghettos, and finally into mass graves and gas chambers. The Nazi genocide of the Jews was enabled by those “common sense” German gun registration lists.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up by German military police battallions. The German military police only needed a 1-10 ratio to their victims. A mere 100 German military police, (4-Fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, not rabid SS), would round up and murder a town of a thousand Jews over the course of one day.

The Germans would force them to sit tightly packed together on town plazas or sporting fields under the watch of only a handful of armed guards. The Germans would then march groups of twenty or thirty at a time at gunpoint into the woods for point-blank executions. A 1-10 ratio means the military police were not worried at all about meeting resistance. The victims were all previously disarmed.

During the Armenian Genocide from 1915-23, two million Christian Turks were exterminated by being marched at gun point into burning deserts with no food or water. The Turkish gun registration laws were enacted in 1911, in the name of “public safety.” The genocide began a few years later, after the Armenians’ firearms were confiscated.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that “public safety” required they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so the Russian war veterans were disarmed—but not the Communist Party members. Then came the Soviet purges, the Great Terror, the Gulags, and tens of millions of disarmed Russians were murdered.

I’m sorry, but I do NOT trust that our federal government won’t turn as brutally tyrannical as the old USSR at some point in the future, perhaps after an economic crash or other major crisis. The Obama regime already perceives that we “Bitter Clingers” are “reactionaries” who are not only standing in the way of social progress, we are actively blocking it.

That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for a socialist utopia is pure Good. And that means they will ultimately come to feel totally justified in seeking a “final solution to the Bitter Clinger problem,” in the same way that the Turks, Soviets and Nazis did. Can anyone guarantee Americans that tyranny will never visit our shores?

If the socialists in power are scapegoating us as national villains now, what will they do when they have no reason to fear us whatsoever? Did the Turks, Soviets or Nazis treat their despised minorities better, or worse, after disarming them? Think!

And once a despot’s enemies (that’s us) are disarmed and helpless...the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Obama mentor and ghost-autobiographer, the Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, stated that they would need to murder ten percent of the American population to achieve their socialist nirvana. Thirty million bitter clingers. Guess who that is?

Don’t relearn this bitter lesson the hard way. Learn from history’s many examples. As it was for the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalens, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history’s lesson is crystal clear:

Stick to your guns—no matter what!

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!”

~~Alexander SolzhenitsynSee More


7 posted on 01/12/2013 2:15:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

bump...


8 posted on 01/12/2013 2:21:01 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Travis McGee

bump...


9 posted on 01/12/2013 2:21:01 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Travis McGee

bump...


10 posted on 01/12/2013 2:21:06 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Travis McGee

I tend to cling to History, Philosophy, and Law to explain my frustrations. I know only that I would be safer without them. I would, however, prefer liberty to safety.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 2:21:42 PM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I can tell you that these laws that try to restrict our gun rights violate the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to keep and bear arms. The U.S. Supreme Court has spoken on this issue twice."

Lincoln ignored Chief Justice Roger B. Taney..

Defending his (Lincoln's) position on habeas corpus Lincoln asked concerning a writ of habeas corpus: should everything fail because that one law "made in such extreme tenderness of the citizens' liberty that practically it relieves more of the guilty than of the innocent [cannot] to a very limited extent be violated?" You want "the government itself go to pieces?"

I would not be surprised if..

< mockery>

Washington, D.C. (Feb. 12, 2013). Surprise announcement in an official handout during President Obama's State of the Union address..

". . . the Writ of Habeas Corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the unrest shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prison, or other place of confinement by any military authority of by the sentence of any Court Martial or Military Commission.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my auto pen, and caused the seal of the United States (me) to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington this twelfth day of February, in the year of our Lord two thousand and thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States the 1st.

< /mockery>

12 posted on 01/12/2013 2:41:04 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An executive order with regard to guns would be his undoing!


13 posted on 01/12/2013 2:41:49 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Travis McGee

As executive enforcement of what existing law? This would be an order with no basis in law and no (apparent) means of enforcement. Who will enforce it? In McClean County in IL there is a states attorney who has declared he will not enforce any existing state laws that he believes are inconsistent with Heller. We need many more such commitments. Obama is trying to expand executive power by stretching executive “discretion” well past its legitimate boundaries. We also have many pockets of “discretion” that can act as buffer zones against these encroachments, and we need to start using them. It shouldn’t be too hard, either. An EO is just a piece of paper with some ink on it. If it has no legal force, and it is widely known to have no legal force, I should think we would have many allies in dismissing it as a nullity.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 2:44:35 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Travis McGee

Another reason to “hammer” the Kenyan!


15 posted on 01/12/2013 2:55:48 PM PST by Renegade
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Sadly, I fear you and many of us are wrong on that front.

"If obamacare passes, that will be his undoing!"

"If obamacare passes, it wil be cw2!!"

Guess what, nothing happened even after SCOTUS sold us down the river. Additionally, IF (and that is a big IF) a full frontal assault on the 2nd Amendment takes place, the FIRST person to open fire on politicians (ANY politician) will result in asshats on this very site proclaiming how we need to be calm, we still have the ballot box, the shooter was wrong...etc...etc. Just look back when that commie bastard ted kennedy died, dipshits were praying for him here; that should tell you about the sentiment these days.

16 posted on 01/12/2013 3:02:49 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump for later


17 posted on 01/12/2013 3:03:36 PM PST by Matthew10 (You can't use what you don't know)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s not near as bad as expected. If that’s all it is, we’ll be getting off easy. I thought Obama would go for an outright ban on semi autos and high capacity magazines.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 3:04:08 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance.)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks Matt more material for my expanding topic specific library


19 posted on 01/12/2013 3:44:05 PM PST by The FIGHTIN Illini
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping for later


20 posted on 01/12/2013 3:48:24 PM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The “Million Man March” that nobody really wants to see.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 3:50:59 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Ceterus paribus, there is no distinction ‘twixt the twain.

Which means: all things being equal, there is no meaningful difference between a sham executive order freezing transfers and your “outright ban” idea. No difference at all. Both would infringe (to violate, transgress, breach: an intrangigent verb, from the Latin frangere ‘to break or crush’) a self-evident Right of the People.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 3:51:09 PM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Michael Barnes

+1 sort of like the FReepers that still stuck behind RINOs every election to be able to eventually get a more conservative candidate (which still hasn’t happened).


23 posted on 01/12/2013 3:51:33 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Resist!Resist!Resist!Resist!Resist!Resist!Resist!Resist!


24 posted on 01/12/2013 3:54:38 PM PST by Starstruck (The police carry weapons for self protection)
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To: Blue Highway; All

People will start recording the names and addresses of those working to confiscate guns. They need to put their head on a pillow each night. That is simply the cold hard truth.

Going this route would not serve anyone, but then we have seen that obama cares not one iota about this country.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 3:58:54 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Blue Highway; All

People will start recording the names and addresses of those working to confiscate guns. They need to put their head on a pillow each night. That is simply the cold hard truth.

Going this route would not serve anyone, but then we have seen that obama cares not one iota about this country.


26 posted on 01/12/2013 3:59:15 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Blue Highway; All

People will start recording the names and addresses of those working to confiscate guns. They need to put their head on a pillow each night. That is simply the cold hard truth.

Going this route would not serve anyone, but then we have seen that obama cares not one iota about this country.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 3:59:42 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Blue Highway; All

People will start recording the names and addresses of those working to confiscate guns. They need to put their head on a pillow each night. That is simply the cold hard truth.

Going this route would not serve anyone, but then we have seen that obama cares not one iota about this country.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 3:59:55 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s the way its done. No large confrontation. Take em out one at a time.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 4:06:27 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Travis McGee

As I’ve been telling all my friends for years never trust our government , they will lie to us and not think twice about killing ya.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 4:08:30 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Renegade

I want a drone.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 4:14:02 PM PST by pingman (ust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Isn't it interesting?

If a conservative happens to not like guns, he'll say "Don't buy one!"

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he says "BAN THEM!!!"

32 posted on 01/12/2013 4:52:11 PM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had a dream day before yesterday of driving down a street and Redcoats were jeering at me and the blue helmeted UN soldiers were all Chinese.


33 posted on 01/12/2013 4:54:19 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

I suspect they will get our guns, but not in the way they expect.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 5:08:49 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Springfield Reformer

Marbury vs. Madison USSC, “Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void”.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 5:49:05 PM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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To: Captain7seas

An uprising is exacty what obozo wants. It will give him the excuse to declare Martial Law.


36 posted on 01/12/2013 6:01:39 PM PST by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: oldasrocks

You are right. He will then be free to use whatever means at his disposal to bring tyranny to this country forever. We must only resist through peaceful means. I endorse Glenn Beck’s idea on the matter.


37 posted on 01/12/2013 6:50:20 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, I don’t know what this is all about. I don’t think anybody is saying Obama will ban all guns but some guns (I know nothing about guns), so what—precisely, in layman’s terms, is this all about?


38 posted on 01/12/2013 8:39:48 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Michael Barnes

So if I understand you correctly, your basic argument is that the left will succeed in enslaving us because we will be intimidated by Obama’s thugs as they rape our Constitution and we will collectively lose our nerve to fight back in any meaningful way.

I don’t think so. It’s like the speech in Bravheart, where he asks them, “what will you do without freedom?”

Yes, there are some who will wilt under the threat of real loss, as you suggest.

But I put it to you that there are others, many others, who will look down the road and will see that avoiding the conflict now, while we still have our chance to act together, will only lead an equally deadly situation in the future, only then it will be much harder to act than it is now.

And as in Braveheart, the question will be, when you die alone in your beds, bereft of your freedoms, will you regret not having chosen this moment, right now, to look the enemy in the eye and take your stand for freedom?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE


39 posted on 01/13/2013 2:33:27 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
A movie? are you kidding me?

Go paint your face blue and lift your kilt or whatever. Maybe Laz will hit you.

40 posted on 01/17/2013 12:04:08 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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