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To: marktwain

I have a more effective solution.

Let’s redefine who is a prohibited person. OK, so we keep people ajudicated mentally defective, but I say we limit felons to those who commit violent or serious crimes on the list. I am not concerned about the folks who recieved felonies for victimless crimes such as running afoul of EPA regulations or scamming an insurance company. I’m talking about felons who are a physical threat to society.

Once we’ve done this, require a mandatory 5 year sentence for posession.. in addition and on top of any other crime they may or may not have committed.

The other thing we need to do is have tougher sentencing for violent felons.

This will have a far greater effect than background checks.

I’m sick and tired of listening to gun control. I wan’t criminal control.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 7:11:19 AM PST by umgud
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To: umgud
We also need to make that list public, so people can determine if they are on it or not.

I have met a number of people that were surprised to learn that they were barred from owning guns, usually over some minor incident decades before.

There also needs to be a clear and direct way to get off of the list for each listed prohibition, and an effective mechanism to challenge being put on the list in the first place.

4 posted on 01/13/2013 7:15:15 AM PST by marktwain
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To: umgud

“OK, so we keep people ajudicated mentally defective...”

So, who gets to define “mentally defective”? While I agree it may be a desirable outcome, to keep firearms (and knives, swords, axes, hammers, nail guns, etc.) out of the hands of people ill equipped to comprehend their lethality and their appropriate use, I am not willing to allow the government to define the parameters of “mentally defective”.

I am equally opposed to any form of ‘universal background check’ that might be arranged. It is but a short step from that to confiscation.

The truth of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of gun owners in this nation have NO criminal background, NO criminal intent, and NO reason for the government to be meddling in their private lives, in any scope. The ridiculous non-solutions being offered up to assuage the unending guilt of the left wing purists only serve to extend the total-control agenda of the elitist political class (both sides of the aisle), and the socialist plans of their masters.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 7:37:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: umgud
I’m sick and tired of listening to gun control. I want criminal control.

That's why we need to start with EVERY government employee.

MANDATORY criminal, mental, and financial background checks. Then we move to having each and every one of them submit to a MANDATORY drug and alcohol test. If you fail, you are fired on the spot. No court, no discussion! AND...you are entered into a national database for future reference. Oh, you don't like that? Too fu**kn bad!

These assholes who are OUR employees need to go through the same thing that those in the private sector have to. We should be demanding this!

9 posted on 01/13/2013 7:56:48 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: umgud

You are conflating issues. The majority of violent crimes are “acts of passion.” The people who commit these crimes have a low reoffend rates. The majority (upwards of 70%) of the remaining violent crimes are committed by a small percentage of the criminal population (less than 10%). These people murder individuals or bystanders in multiple incidents over (comparably) long periods of time. These should be the poster children for capital punishment, but their crimes are not sensational enough to garner national attention.

Mass murderers are outside of this universe. They are anomalous incidents committed by crazy people. They grab headlines everywhere. “Women and children slaughtered by assault weapon-crazed (hopefully) right winger.” We are conditioned to visual stimulus, and they see war when they see an AR or AK, not some wimpy pistol. Despite the fact that 70% of mass murders are committed with pistols of ubiquitous manufacture, the glamorous assault weapons grab the headlines. The incidence of mental illness or psychotropic drugs is mentioned only peripherally, though the correlation is stronger than the “assault weapons” link.

Then again, this industry has devolved into entertainment with an agenda, not dispassionate reporting. Want to decrease mass murders? Lock criminally insane people up before they commit mass murder. It is almost impossible to get someone adjudicated and long-term facilities are non-existent. Jails are filled with non-violent crazies and violent crazies roam the streets...


15 posted on 01/13/2013 8:24:46 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: umgud

I have always thought that if a background check was really needed, it should be checking the buyer’s name against a list of people not eligible to own a firearm. It’s the other way around now. Every background check is a data mining operation to create lists of people buying guns and what they buy. Of course we knew this in the beginning no matter what they said. It’s all to support incremental steps toward the complete elimination of guns in private hands.


21 posted on 01/13/2013 9:10:01 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: umgud

I don’t think that anything needs to be done. In my view all existing federal gun laws should be repealed.


23 posted on 01/13/2013 11:05:40 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: umgud

But the government WANTS violent criminals because that is the only way that people will willingly give up their RKBA.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 12:11:04 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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