Skip to comments.Deadly Quiet Conversations
Posted on 01/14/2013 7:11:03 PM PST by Noumenon
There are conversations taking place all over America. They are not being screamed from the mountain tops, they are being whispered from one end of the nation to the other.
The Marxists have decided that Sandy Hook Elementary is a good enough reason to go ahead with the gun confiscation model used by totalitarian governments the world over. Senators, Governors, Representatives and the President have all come out to warn us that they are coming. How they come and how hard are the only questions left to be answered. We know who is proposing gun confiscation, or registration in preparation for confiscation. They are not shy about it with the media behind them, encouraging their treasonous acts.
What they don't hear is a hue and a cry about it from the average citizen. This is largely their reason for their bold announcements. But in the corners of the nation men are preparing their wives and families for the day they don't come home. Brothers are making plans to resist on familiar ground. Cops are talking to neighbors and each other. Servicemen and women are talking amongst themselves in lowered tones. Sheriffs and their deputies are talking, making plans and calculations as to when to draw that hard line.
It is the quiet before the storm, because DHS is talking too. They are tyring to figure out who is with them and who is against them in the big scheme of things. The government is talking to gun manufacturers and the banks that hold their notes. Bank Of America froze the account of a gun-maker for ideological reasons. Wal Mart will no longer replenish their ammo once it has been depleted.
The ramifications are sure to be swift. Like the Journal News that published the names and addresses of gun owners. Then, a thief broke into one of the homes looking for weapons having used the map provided by the paper as a treasure map. Aiding and abetting a crime is criminal and I don't know what else one would consider printing a map with addresses of where guns might be stolen other than complicity to commit criminal acts. It is no different than if they had printed the addresses of jewelry store customers.
Somewhere, amid all of these quiet conversations, things are being decided. In some places, among lifelong friends, it is more boistrous. But, we are a clouded people, now. There is a snitch behind every bush, peering at us with hidden cameras, listening into our conversations through illegal bugs and tuning into cell phone conversations. The hypocrite liberals are all into it. They are taking names and making journal notes as to what they have heard and by who, because privacy and the sanctity of the home is something they reserve for themselves.
So, why is it so quiet when Second Amendment issues are being discussed between so many people at the same time? Because anything one might say to another is a solid statement of intent. When one person tells another that the totalitarian thug that arrives at his door asking about his weapons will be met with lead poisoning, it could be considered a threat and facilitate that knock on the door. These are dangerous times when the government turns against its people.
Why does a bank who received $45 billion from the government freeze the account of a gun manufacturer?
This is how wars start. The government threatens to act unconstitutionally and the people prepare to resist. That resistance is seen as defying the government and the government sends out goons to test the mettle of the police forces to impress their cooperation. They put the squeeze on banks they lent money to to freeze accounts and disrupt businesses. More citizens see the actions of the government as unjust and oppressive and stockpile more goods. The government sees this as aggression and moves to clamp down even harder.
Somewhere along the line that bubble bursts and hell will be paid by all involved.
This is a fight the Obama Administration is convinced it can win with enough propaganda from the mainstream media. It is not for the faint-hearted, so again I implore the reader: If they make us raise our weapons to defend the Second Amendment, lets not lower them until the Constitution is restored and the treasonous have been dealt with.
I’m surprised that some of the culprits and their media enablers haven’t been “disappeared.”
These conversations should have been had by men when the Kenyan stole your family’s livelihoods and private healthcare.
But, it is never too late.
Registration is first. Can’t take what you can’t find.
BTW, has anyone else wondered why the mayor of the murder capital of the country is even allowed in the debate about violence?
I really, really do not want to do this. That doesnt mean I won’t.
Just got two more 10 round clips for that rifle I lost in an unfortunate boating accident. Gee, what a shame. *cough*
Ban anything you like.
ENFORCING those bans . . .well, that’s going to be a different story
2013 will be 45 years of Gun laws and Gun bans.
All of which were going to make America safer.
And all of which have failed.
Talk about being, “Stuck On Stupid”.
I hate it myself. There was a time when I respected my Country. Come take my life one cartridge at a time. Be careful that it is 3am and I am NOT at home.
I’ve had these conversations with a couple of guys I never thought would “man up”. I was surprised at the reaction.
The bozos think they’re the only ones with lists, databases and surveillance.
I still have not heard confirmation of this, other than what individuals are posting online.
If true, this would be HUGE and CNN, MSNBC, Obama, and others would be crowing non-stop.
Unless it has already happened, and I just missed it, WalMart needs to make a statement to address these rumors.
This admin feels they can’t lose....savage the second amendment and disarm us....They win. Push things to the breaking point so that violence
can justify martial law....They win. That’s their opinion..either way they
win. And if free men don’t step up and water the tree they will be proven correct in their assessment.
No one in the right mind desires what is coming at us and what must in turn be done. I’ll wrestle with my conscience later. If I live through this, I’ll ask my Creator for forgiveness. Somehow, I think - I hope - that I’ll be understood.
Should we prevail, our descendants will eventually honor our sacrifices.
We’ll all soon find out what we’re made of.
think about this:
Benghazi? Spooks betrayed. 4 dead as the White Hut said “stand down”.
These are not people to be trifled with. They do not threaten, they do not bluff, they simply do.
If I were Obozo, I would be very very afraid.
Some in the Military are worse.
Powder kegs are ignited with a spark. Everybody knows there’s a lot of pent-up energy waiting to be released. They know it for months... years... in advance. But it never starts gradually, or simultaneously over a broad front. It ALWAYS starts with a single spark.
The British fired on the patriots at Lexington.
The Confederate forces bombarded Ft. Sumter.
The battleship Maine explodes in Havana Harbor.
Princip assassinates the Archduke.
And so on and so forth.
Wonder what the spark will be that starts this one.
We have access to data, wireless 4g, 2-way cb and everything else. Access codes are not secret. Just program and listen.
Find me a parchment where I can sign my name in a bold flourish if this goes down...
“WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS......”
Dear Mr. Security Agent
So now were back to you, Mr. Security Agent, and your unique role in this high drama. Let me state this very clearly, both for you and for the liberal agenda-setting elites who might accidentally stumble upon this essay. Let there be no doubt about this. Let no one later say, But we were just trying to improve public safety. We had no idea that all these disastrous unintended consequences would happen.
I am telling you now that disastrous unintended consequences will happen if Congress passes new laws banning presently legal firearms. To make it very easy to remember, and in the spirit of our beloved Department of Homeland Securitys old color-coded security threat levels, let me spell out three lines of demarcation.
The Yellow Line:
The yellow warning line will be crossed with national gun registration laws, including laws forbidding private gun sales without government permission. When that law passes, millions of Americans will feel that they have been pushed directly to the edge of the abyss above the mass graves of history. Defenders of the Second Amendment know what happened in Turkey, the USSR, Germany, China, and other nations that fell under totalitarian rule: in every case a necessary preliminary step on the road to genocide was national gun registration, followed by confiscation. The Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust say, Never again! And so do we.
The Red Line:
The red line will be crossed with the passage of laws mandating that currently owned weapons, ammunition magazines, and ammunition quantities above a certain number must be turned in to authorities or destroyed, and thereafter their simple possession will be a felony. At that point, the nation will be on a hair trigger, with a thousand flaring matches nearing a thousand primed cannon fuses aimed directly at the next Fort Sumter.
The Dead Line:
The next line requires a bit of history to explain. In some primitive Civil War POW camps, where lack of funding or logistical constraints did not allow the construction of proper fences, a knee-high continuous railing of wooden slats encircled the prison grounds. Guards with rifles were positioned at the corners and in crude towers. If a prisoner so much as stepped over the narrow plank, he was shot dead without warning, obviating the need for a real fence to contain him. Hence the term dead line. Cross the line and people die, right now.
And this is what liberal utopians must understand: after passing the yellow line with national gun registration and transfer requirements, and the red line by making possession of currently legal firearms felonious, the dead line will be breached with the first SWAT raids upon citizens suspected of owning legal firearms made illegal by the new gun control laws. People will die resisting confiscation, in large numbers.
Confiscation crosses the dead line, make no mistake about it.
So this essay is really for you, Mr. Security Agent, because it wont be elite Manhattan or Malibu liberals or Ivy League professors or politicians or columnists who will be ordered to strap on the sweat-stained body armor and enforce the new gun control laws at gunpoint. No, that grim task will fall to you.
But as long as you are an honorable agent of the people while an employee of the government, and as long as you honor your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, then you will encounter no problems at all with gun owners. Why? Because you will refuse to take part in gun confiscation raids. Period. End of sentence, end of paragraph.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is the leading American law enforcement agency, at least in terms of its long history and high prestige. Dear Mr. Security Agent, please consider that F.B.I. also stands for Fidelity, Bravery, and Integrity. Soon, your fidelity to your solemnly sworn oath may be severely tested. It will take a lot of bravery to make your personal integrity a higher calling than following illegitimate orders, simply to maintain your steady paycheck and benefits.
On the other hand, if you no longer resemble the upstanding and honorable federal agents I have known in the past, if that whole oath-to-the-Constitution shtick was a big fat joke to you and you would accept a transfer to the old Soviet KGB or East German Stasi for a ten percent pay raise then we are definitely going to have a problem. So that oath you swore really matters, one way or the other, and so does your personal sense of honor.
Dear Mr. Security Agent, let me spell it out. If you find yourself in the sub-basement of an annex to a secret intelligence center on the far end of town, waterboarding citizens into revealing the locations of suspected illegal caches of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legally owned in 2012, then know this one simple fact: tens of millions of Americans will most surely consider you a betrayer of your sworn oath and a traitor to your country.
And so, if you find yourself silently dismounting a covert SWAT vehicle at zero-dark-thirty, dressed all in body armor, counting down to the time-coordinated explosion of battering rams and flash-bang grenades, on a raid against a sleeping household intended to result in the confiscation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition magazines that were legal to own in 2012, millions of Americans who also swore an oath to defend the Constitution will consider you their domestic enemy, and they will resist you with force of arms. Just as the soldiers of King George were resisted on another notable gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775. It used to be called The Shot Heard Round the World.
You may consider the sentiments expressed above to be absurd, hyperbolic, dangerous, ridiculous, or simply wrong-headed. But please understand that tens of millions of Americans feel this way to their cores, and they will not be disarmed without a fight. Well-meaning but naive liberals should understand the certain-to-follow consequences of new gun control laws intended to disarm their fellow citizens in the name of public safety. LEOs and FLEAs should understand the dire consequences of participating in gun confiscation raids, in direct violation of their sworn oaths to uphold the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
The unintended consequences of this misguided utopian fools crusade to ban guns would include a second civil war as agonizingly painful as the first one, if not more so, since there would be no front lines and no safe areas for anybody, anywhere. Every sane American wants to prevent such a calamitous outcome as a dirty civil war on United States soil.
But know this: those tens of millions will never be quietly disarmed and then later forced at government gunpoint onto historys next boxcars. If boxcars and detention camps are to be in Americas future, then you, Mr. Security Agent, will have to disarm them the hard way first. Not Piers Morgan, not Michael Moore, not Rosie ODonnell, not Dianne Feinstein, not Chuck Schumer.
Stay well away from anyone who does.
I still believe this administration's primary aim is (a) distraction, from what we can well imagine, and/or (b) provocation, hoping those who do want "to do this" thing will fire first, to continue to divide and to divide again, to shrink their opposition. Always to shrink it.
I know where my own "line in the sand" is, as so many others also know. We'll soon see if this self-aggrandizing instructor of Constitutional law knows where the line is.
Should actual conflict begin in earnest, their goal will be to win. Too many on the other side have less formulated goals, such as "to make a statement," or even to die.
The thing that worries me, yes I am a member of the NRA, is that it seems no one has any guts to stand up and say this is enough....we have got to group together and unite and stand out ground on guns; education; taxes; spending; health care; social security for our retired citizens; military, and the list goes one. Obama is starting to take over the Constitution, and anything else he can get his hands on....come one peoples, lets start standing up and take this back!!!
Isn't it odd that other dictators have assumed that Americans are too weak, soft, and mongrelized to defend themselves? Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Mao, all seem to have made that mistake. Libs aren't even that bright.
The people are not quiet, they are quietly preparing. This isn’t going to be pretty.
A conversion might discuss
Before they draw first blood:
Developing your human network
Do not use landline or cell phone, they can/will be turned off or monitored. Get a two-way radio. Develop your own “code talk”. Use non-electronic communication in your network tree.
Develop security protocols/procedures.
Develop a mutual aid system. Logistics are everything.
Identify choke points in/out of your area/town/county/city. Useful for defense and/or offense
Educate, educate, educate. Distribute “pocket Constitutions” or “citizen rule books”, etc. Truth has power.
If you have a relationship with your locals, educate them (municipal PD, sheriff).
When they draw first blood:
Disable their eyes - fixed cameras or drones. Disable their comms
They have already positioned equipment. Many municipalities have military vehicles and weapons. 30,000 drones are being deployed. Just about every street and intersection is under surveillance. Many 100’s of millions of rounds have been purchased for domestic use. They illegally retain records concerning “background checks” - they know who has what. They store and mine all internet activity. They have air superiority. Information superiority. Equipment superiority. We have numbers. We have right.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. If you have a relationship with your locals tread carefully.
Of course these conversations are hypothetical, yours will be different.
I don’t post very often but I’ve been comming here everyday for a lot of years.
NOTHING pisses me off more than those “I lost my guns in a boating accident” type of posts. I’m not sure why but those people/posts make my blood boil.
Ya, go bury your rifles in your yard, you can dig them up for the victory parade, hero.
(not meant at the specific poster in this thread - just in general)
The cat, so to speak, is out of the bag ~ note: saw a sign today ~ 'free schroedinger's cat' ~ that one's out of the bag too.
>> the dead line will be breached with the first SWAT raids upon citizens suspected of owning legal firearms made illegal by the new gun control laws.
With all due respect — and of course I don’t know, I’m just guessing — I don’t think individual SWAT raids will be the spark that “sets the whole thing off”.
I don’t doubt that in some of these raids, gunowners or government agents or both will be killed. I just don’t think that (for instance) a raid on a particular house or farm will cause OTHER home- or farm-owners to go to GQ.
Here’s how I think it’ll unfold. One or more states (Wyoming is closest at this moment) will pass strong laws precluding enforcement of Federal gun laws. At some point, STATE law enforcement will step in — in a significant way — to stand behind state citizens resisting a Federal search-and-seizure effort.
Once it’s clearly State-VS-Federal, and uniformed blood is shed on both sides — that’s when she blows.
Just my 2c, and FRegards
BTW, there are never enough agents to stop the highlanders rising when the time is ripe.
Please note that the highlanders lost the last big one over there ~ and got shipped out to Virginia left and right. Many of the prison barges dropped anchor right down the way from me at Smuggler's Creek ~ right down the way from where Alexandria was eventually founded (for the second time ~ Indians wiped it out the first time).
Those guys had been transported naked and in chains. They were tossed overboard. By the time they got to North Carolina and its mountains they were armed with new swords and firearms, fully clothed, and with new deerskin boots!
That's why that custom persists ~ they didn't lose in America!
Although this is a pitiful weapon you can blind opponents at least temporarily. The federales will raid walmart first!
Provocation is their tactic.
Do not be provoked.
The provocations will grow increasingly outrageous.
Each provocation must be documented and publicized.
The abuses will grow increasingly outrageous.
Each abuse must be documented and publicized.
A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that we declare the causes which impel us to restore the political bands which have been dissolved between the People and their Government as defined by the Constitution.
Had a convo, or two, as well.
Took my kids to the barber shop the other day (small, Southern town). We always talk politics and world events while the kids listen in. One of the barbers said he was cutting a local policeman’s hair and asked him, if directed, would he confiscate weapons.....he said, “Absolutely.” As you can imagine, we were all pretty dumbfounded. This is a VERY ‘red’ area (conservative).
Then, some months later, my convo with the Chief of Police (who I know fairly well), was quite surprising. Asked him where the best place would be to get firearms training. He said....”Well, you know, our town is a pretty safe place...” and I interrupted him and said, “Because lots of people around here own guns.” He was a bit flustered. I was concerned about his response. He is a devout Christian. Maybe he took it as the police not doing a good job.....which is not the case. They are pretty good. Left me scratching my head.
“I really, really do not want to do this. That doesnt mean I wont.”
Nobody looks forward to it, but they don’t ignore it or fail to prepare for it either.
It is solemn contemplation.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
Our government is fine, it is the players who pervert it.
Not abolition, Restoration.
At the end of the war they were still all on the job. Congress paid them their missed Union pay.
So, whose side were they on?
You can mull this one over a few minutes.
They did make the statement, I think I just read it on a Facebook post...it belongs here, too.
3 Lib friends (they don’t call themselves Libs but they are Union, toe the Union line and watch alphabet News and think I’m a Right Winger so I call them Libs) are in 100% lock step with me on this subject ... they will shoot anyone that tries to disarm them or take their guns... they will not agree to ANY “Registration” (basically they said Obama can KMA)
PS 2 of the 3 voted Obama and even they do not believe Zero when he says that he isn’t after their guns
“Wal Mart will no longer replenish their ammo once it has been depleted. “
This is not a proven fact. Why should I believe what your blogger says when you use rumors as supporting facts?
Wise man’s statement.
If I’m not mistaken......we Southerners had to pay “Duh Union” back all money incurred for fighting the “Civil Wawah”.
More than that.
There are some sympathizers that will blindly follow orders. Including some police.And then there are some that will say, “hell no” and will train and equip people. These are sad days, but all the more you should “Prep” now. Don’t wait until the “SHTF” make your plans now! Where will you go, what will you do? Start getting plugged into prepper sites immediately. Don’t wait, because when the SHTF...it’s to late then.
WND is running a story that refutes the original Wal-Mart story. They have not and will not suspend ammo sales.
Obama can gloat all he wants for the moment, with his faux-aristocracy and air of enlightenment, but whether he realizes it or not he has all but handed the Senate to conservative candidates in the next election.
I foresee an election that could result in his impeachment and conviction of Obama. Would it not be sweet justice to see Roberts be the one to announce the conviction and removal from office?
Just let me dream a little.
Even adle-minded Harry Reid senses something in the wind and it’s scaring him.
What remains to be seen is if anyone in the Democrat party sees this and can bring the party to anything resembling their senses, before they pass into the dustbin of history! Plenty of our democrat ‘brethren,’ such as they are, love their guns too. Some of their Walthers carry more than 10 rounds don’t ya know!
No two ways about it, there is going to be hell to pay, one way or the other, period.
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