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You can keep your guns. But, you will pay dearly and eventually have them confiscated anyway
News and thinking | 15 January 2013 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 01/15/2013 6:35:14 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Keep them, but pay dearly

You can keep your guns alright, but you're going to pay dearly for the privilege, end up marked and have them confiscated later anyway. A lot of folks don't want to hear that, but gun owners are being manipulated into a corner.

The powers that be who want us disarmed in order to control dissent want the guns, but must do so incrementally and make a large sum of money in the process. It's like being a smoker, you want 'em and they make you pay. He will issue executive orders, every one of which is going to cost gun owners dearly. Registration, licensing, short-term licensing requiring frequent renewal with ever-increasing licensing cost (already signed into law in New York by Cuomo). They will know where they are and take your money while you hold them and keep them in pristine condition for the day the government decides they have enough support to step in and take them. And, that's only the beginning.

Many of the executive orders and subsequent laws will make it very easy to violate one of those laws which will involve lawyers. This is a class of society to which the vast majority of Congressmen belong and from which many get their funds to run for Congress (i.e. guys like Mostyn). They WANT you to keep the guns, because they are going to be like leeches sucking you financially dry in the process.

Should the United States ever get some men and women of moral foundation (that IS the ultimate problem) into office, then articles of impeachment must be presented against Obama for all of this is a violation of the original 2nd Amendment and its intent. Stockman of Texas is right on in his assessment that if Obama and the Democrats continue, the violation of law must be called into question.

When I ask Mexicans why they do not go back to Mexico and revolt and clean up their governmental problems, the answer is quick and short, "The government will kill us." Very soon, we are going to be in the same predicament. The government is already aiding and abetting crime (Fast and Furious and welfare fraud) and does not want ANY dissent about its corrupt practices. It will all get a lot worse before it gets any better.

Ultimately, the entire question on every issue, be it abortion, guns, "cling to religion", etc., ad nauseum is that the United States has turned away from God and then has allowed immigration of millions from many different countries who do NOT follow what God teaches (even though some profess to be followers of God. The Bible addresses all of this and the consequences and you can go there to read the end of this story.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; deadfedgovwalking; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; regulation; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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That is may summation. All that is left is the suffering of persecution by the few righteous who are left.
1 posted on 01/15/2013 6:35:22 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I can only be killed once.

Despair is a sin.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/15/2013 6:38:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This is exactly how it will happen. It will be such a gradual process that most wont notice, until it is too late.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 6:40:28 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Bearing arms is not a privilege.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 6:42:06 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Jonty30

Creeping Socialism


5 posted on 01/15/2013 6:43:47 PM PST by halo66
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To: Jonty30
This is exactly how it will happen. It will be such a gradual process that most wont notice, until it is too late.

My guess is it will go back and forth for decades...lotsa money to be made by politicians on this issue.
6 posted on 01/15/2013 6:44:51 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Lurker

The loss of freedom happens slowly until its too late.


7 posted on 01/15/2013 6:48:48 PM PST by Orange1998 (DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: Lurker
Lots of nervous nellies around here are dying a thousand deaths because of their fear of what might happen, though.

/johnny

8 posted on 01/15/2013 6:48:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DJlaysitup

It will depend, partly, on how fast he can convince the Supreme Justices to retire. If he can get two, it may be over, because who are you going to appeal to?


9 posted on 01/15/2013 6:50:29 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: DJlaysitup

“lotsa money to be made by politicians on this issue.”

Good observation and I would add lawyers to that as well.

Actually I think this is driven by lawyers - it makes no sense otherwise. Even the optics are stupid, particularly if there is one more shooting this year all of these people who “fixed” the problem will look silly.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 6:50:35 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Orange1998
The loss of freedom happens slowly until its too late.

It's never too late for freedom.

/johnny

11 posted on 01/15/2013 6:50:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jonty30
because who are you going to appeal to?

God.

And my sense of what freedom is.

/johnny

12 posted on 01/15/2013 6:52:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jonty30
This is exactly how it will happen. It will be such a gradual process

Of course it will.

Like cars...How in hell did they get Americans to pay to re-register the same damn vehicles over and over and over and over and over instead of only when they change ownership?

What an epic, coast to coast government conjob.

13 posted on 01/15/2013 6:54:51 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Guns? What guns?
I lost all my weapons in a tragic boating accident on Crater Lake. ;^(
14 posted on 01/15/2013 6:56:08 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Lurker
Bearing arms is not a privilege.

Yes, per the 2nd, you are right. However, government is turning it into a privilege. Thus, the post was written the way it was written. What is happening is clearly a violation of the 2nd Amendment. So, when is anyone in leadership going to step up and DO something about it? Crickets chirping....

15 posted on 01/15/2013 6:57:03 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Agreed.


16 posted on 01/15/2013 6:57:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Just another Joe
Funny thing about lost weapons. Ben Frankin indicated to the british that the same would happen in 1766.

Q. Can anything less than a military force carry the Stamp Act into execution?

A. I do not see how a military force can be applied to that purpose.

Q. Why may it not?

A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.


Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)
17 posted on 01/15/2013 7:01:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I don't think We The People need anyone in a “Leadership position” to do or say anything.

We are the People. It is Our Constitution.

The three branches of government serve at Our Pleasure. That is all we need to Remember and to stand by.

18 posted on 01/15/2013 7:01:36 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
So, when is anyone in leadership going to step up and DO something about it?

So, when did free men require a leader to do anything?

Just don't comply. It's pretty easy. Millions of criminals already ignore those laws.

/johnny

19 posted on 01/15/2013 7:02:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Infringe: (transitive and intransitive verb) encroach on somebody's rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way

If that %$#@ John Roberts doesn't have a Websters Dictionary I can send him one.

20 posted on 01/15/2013 7:03:08 PM PST by skeeter
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To: KittenClaws
Beat me by 1 minute, 10 seconds... ;)

/johnny

21 posted on 01/15/2013 7:05:06 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Gun Control in Australia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA

“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty.” Thomas Jefferson


22 posted on 01/15/2013 7:05:29 PM PST by donaldo
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Well at least we didn't elect no dang Mormon.
23 posted on 01/15/2013 7:05:41 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: KittenClaws

Point taken.


24 posted on 01/15/2013 7:09:04 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Civil disobedience is order, and civil is the operative word. Do not register any weapon. It will make it more difficult for them to confiscate. If they do attempt to confiscate, civil is no longer the operative word.

Now this is really important, so take some time and think about. At the time of confiscation, the operative word becomes "offensive". For positive imagery purposes, think of the British retreat from Lexington and Concord back to Boston. That is what Americans do to tyrants that try to confiscate our weapons.

25 posted on 01/15/2013 7:11:08 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You're right. See my post 18, great minds think alike and all that.

The Feds can't use the Constitution against us unless we allow it.

And what is this krap about the Supreme Court being the end all be all? They are not supreme beings, and must follow the constitution. BTW, I'm pretty sure a Supreme Court justice can be impeached, constitutionally.

But they don't want the unwashed to remember that, do they?

26 posted on 01/15/2013 7:11:42 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’m not paying jack sh!t. And I’m keeping every damn one of them.

F U B O!! and your ilk.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 7:12:37 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I will keep them and I will NOT pay, I will not give them up, I may sell them at some point in time. That is all I will do. They can Kiss my R.R.A and

Molon Labe (if they can)


28 posted on 01/15/2013 7:13:37 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: Just another Joe

the gun over board thing is getting real old


29 posted on 01/15/2013 7:14:05 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: JRandomFreeper

Just luck.

I knew I could not be the only one and that’s nice to know.


30 posted on 01/15/2013 7:14:47 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: unixfox
It's unhealthy to bottle up feelings. Go ahead and express your true feelings.

Tell us what you really think.

(Mr. Rogers voice off).

/johnny

31 posted on 01/15/2013 7:19:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jonty30
If he can get two, it may be over, because who are you going to appeal to?

The only problem is that the Supremes are already on thin ice legitimacy-wise when they rule on cases involving the feds, at least if they find in the feds favor, because they've ruled in favor of their own paymasters! If you've ever watched a civil or criminal trial, they won't even let you participate as juror or judge if you so much as KNOW one of the parties, let alone work for them.

It boggles the mind that any individual or state takes SCOTUS rulings seriously when they rule for the feds. They go any farther than they've already gone, I'm sure many no longer will.

32 posted on 01/15/2013 7:20:08 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: EXCH54FE
Welcome to Free Republic.

/johnny

33 posted on 01/15/2013 7:20:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Eventually many people like the “Bear Jew” will emerge with only a Bat!


34 posted on 01/15/2013 7:22:17 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: t1b8zs
the gun over board thing is getting real old

It's a moose bite kind of thing. You may as well get over it, because it ain't going away.

Another way of looking at it is "Sheesh, how long can freepers keep a dead meme on life support?"

I'll tell you when I get out of the shower.

/johnny

35 posted on 01/15/2013 7:25:02 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Your question is understandable. Do I guess correctly that you are well under age 40?

Leaders arise when it is their time, and often from unexpected places. Leaders will not be found within the present GOP.

Yes, the age question has relevance. :-)


36 posted on 01/15/2013 7:30:37 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Registration, licensing, short-term licensing requiring frequent renewal with ever-increasing licensing cost ...


It’s unconstitutional to license a right.


37 posted on 01/15/2013 7:35:37 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

because who are you going to appeal to?
God.<<

Talk about an unexpected win!....*G*


38 posted on 01/15/2013 7:45:21 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: KittenClaws
Do I guess correctly that you are well under age 40?

If you think so....

39 posted on 01/15/2013 7:45:45 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I will NEVER EVER comply.
No registration or surrender no matter what.
Liberty or death. It’s simple.


40 posted on 01/15/2013 7:47:31 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: M-cubed
On Dec 8, 2009, Jesus and I had a little chat on the side of a mountain during a blizzard, after I had a little OOPS! slip/fall accident I wasn't expected to live through.

I'm not in charge. I have things I am required to do, but the outcome? In His Hands.

Can't be worse than that night.

/johnny

41 posted on 01/15/2013 7:51:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
They probably wont get around to it, because they will have crashed the economy before long,
and will be sorta busy dealing with social chaos as people go 'Mad Max' fighting for necessities.

42 posted on 01/15/2013 7:55:38 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Thank You,

So far, so good. This is better than Lerking, I get to sound off from time to time. So far the flame suit is unused.

43 posted on 01/15/2013 7:58:17 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: Clump
Simple. But not easy for everybody (I've had to learn that recently).

Easy for me. Kids are grown and gone, I've met the grandkids, I actually like a couple of them.

I live alone. I still do daily PT. So it's simple and easy for me.

For those with small children? Not so simple, not so easy.

It's going to be up to old, grumpy farts to do the civil disobedience thing.

/johnny

44 posted on 01/15/2013 7:59:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EXCH54FE
Keep it handy. In English, the word is spelled 'lurking'.

/johnny

45 posted on 01/15/2013 8:00:43 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Do I guess correctly that you are well under age 40?

If you think so....

Last I heard, you were around when dirt was invented and Moses was an E-3.

/johnny

46 posted on 01/15/2013 8:03:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cuban leaf
It’s unconstitutional to license a right.

What's the next right to be eroded? Will we have to get a license to write a blog expressing a political viewpoint? To attend the church of our choosing? To associate with whomever we want?

47 posted on 01/15/2013 8:07:31 PM PST by randita
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Just a guess, I don’t mind being wrong. :-)


48 posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:44 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Good point if you live long enough.


49 posted on 01/15/2013 8:35:53 PM PST by Orange1998 (DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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