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Guns Donít Make You Safe
Civis Libertas ^ | 1/18/2013 | centinel

Posted on 01/18/2013 9:56:20 AM PST by civislibertas

Holding a gun in your hands does not guarantee either your safety or your life. There is no surety that someone else won’t have bigger or better weapons and can still take what you consider valuable.

The whole point of holding a gun in your hands is that it raises the bar of consequence and therefore of the required level of intent for any attacker. The gun does not say, “you cannot kill me”. The gun says, “you can kill me, but until you do, I remain free”.

To that end, the bigger or better the weapon is, the more freedom you have. If your attackers have bigger and better weapons, your freedom is in danger of being diminished or extinguished. This is the same common sense logic that we apply to arming our military forces to defend our nation.

The second amendment to the US Constitution does not guarantee our right to bear arms, it merely restricts the right of the government to infringe upon the natural right that we have to be free and to defend our freedom. No words can either sustain or deny that natural right. They are only reminders that such undeniable rights exist.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; arms; banglist; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/18/2013 9:56:32 AM PST by civislibertas
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To: civislibertas

Strawman argument.

“Holding a gun in your hand ..... others will have bigger or better guns etc etc.”

I guess, without any gun in your hand makes you the safest then. You want to be a sheep, be my guest. But you don’t restict my right to bear arms. Personal safety and self-defense is only secondary benefit.


2 posted on 01/18/2013 10:01:51 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: civislibertas

“Any gun will do, if you will do”


3 posted on 01/18/2013 10:02:11 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: civislibertas

“The gun says, “you can kill me, but until you do, I remain free”.”

No, the gun says, “you might succeed in killing me, but also you might die trying.”


4 posted on 01/18/2013 10:04:19 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: civislibertas

Holding a gun in your hand is lot safer than having no gun in your hands when confronted by an intruder.


5 posted on 01/18/2013 10:05:14 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: civislibertas

Two posts in 6 six months, both from your blog and you never answer any reponses?


6 posted on 01/18/2013 10:07:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Sir Napsalot
>>> The second amendment to the US Constitution does not guarantee our right to bear arms, it merely restricts the right of the government to infringe upon the natural right that we have to be free and to defend our freedom. <<<

Another confused with playing with words, which makes Leftists feel so smart.

If that is his opinion, fine. I simply disagree with his interpretation. And I will trust my own judgment.

7 posted on 01/18/2013 10:09:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: civislibertas

Having a treadmill and a set of weights doesn’t make you buff, but if you have them there’s much better odds that you’ll train with them so that you are.


8 posted on 01/18/2013 10:10:29 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: civislibertas

Looks like we have a libtard troll spewing anti-gun BS.

So let me get this right, I am safer to be unarmed and let the criminals have what they want?

I have past experience that says otherwise.

6 times I have been in bad situations and every time a gun has ended that bad situation. The gun was in my hands and the criminals/thugs decided to go elsewhere.

This blog or whatever it is, was written by an idiot.

2.5 million times each year average citizens use guns, in their hands, to stop criminals from turning them into victims.

If this article was correct there would have been a lot less citizen survivors and a lot more dead self defenders.


9 posted on 01/18/2013 10:13:21 AM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: civislibertas
The gun does not say, “you cannot kill me”.

Correct. It does not say that. It says;

"I suggest you don't threaten me further or attempt to harm me. Your life hangs in the balance."

10 posted on 01/18/2013 10:18:16 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: humblegunner

*ahem*


11 posted on 01/18/2013 10:21:38 AM PST by Salamander (Put some workboots in the drier. Recite Dr Seuss. Now you're a rapper!)
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To: History Repeats

My dad was a prison guard.

They make enemies who later get released.

When I was 10, the lunatic who was screaming and pounding on the front door after dad left for work at 10PM immediately went away when I pointed a .22 pistol at his forehead.

What do you supposed would’ve happened to me and mom if I hadn’t?

He sure wasn’t there selling magazine subscriptions.


12 posted on 01/18/2013 10:26:54 AM PST by Salamander (Put some workboots in the drier. Recite Dr Seuss. Now you're a rapper!)
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To: civislibertas
It's not the size of the weapon.

It's how you use it.

Really.

13 posted on 01/18/2013 10:27:53 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: civislibertas

I’m still wanting to find a way to carry my Bushmaster:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M242_Bushmaster

(Click on link to get the joke.)


14 posted on 01/18/2013 10:38:44 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The point, Sir, is that the right is natural and fundamental and cannot be either guaranteed or denied by words. If the 2nd amendment were modified or even struck down, the right would still exist. The 2nd amendment warns the government that they cannot tamper with that right.


15 posted on 01/18/2013 10:38:57 AM PST by civislibertas
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To: civislibertas

What you wrote have nothing to do with ‘guns don’t make you safe’.


16 posted on 01/18/2013 10:44:36 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: civislibertas

Also, this is a good start, but

WHY don’t you address my (and plenty others’) point?


17 posted on 01/18/2013 10:46:30 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: civislibertas
Holding a gun in your hands does not guarantee either your safety or your life. There is no surety that someone else won’t have bigger or better weapons and can still take what you consider valuable.

If this were true, the POTUS wouldn't be protected by armed Secret Service agents everywhere he goes. If this were true, his daughters would not attend a school that uses armed security guards for protection.

The fact is that NONE of us is safe if only a FEW of us have weapons. When ALL of us have weapons, those in the wrong will have to decide if today is their day to die.

It's not as difficult as the gun-grabbing bed-wetters want to make us believe.

18 posted on 01/18/2013 11:07:48 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: civislibertas
Holding a gun in your hands does not guarantee either your safety or your life.

No, it doesn't, but I can guarantee you that you're better off with one than without.

19 posted on 01/18/2013 11:12:36 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: civislibertas

Apparently nobody but me read past your first paragraph.


20 posted on 01/18/2013 11:13:44 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: Salamander; humblegunner

Ditto.


21 posted on 01/18/2013 11:18:14 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ConservativeInPA
In my best Crocodile Dundee voice:

That's not a Bushmaster; THIS is a Bushmaster. :=)

22 posted on 01/18/2013 11:18:56 AM PST by Bob
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To: Sir Napsalot

Naps you need a longer nap, what he says in that quote is correct. The whole Constitution is a limit on the federal government it says what it can and cannot do. See the Tenth Amendment “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


23 posted on 01/18/2013 11:31:38 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Sloth

Yeah.


24 posted on 01/18/2013 11:35:21 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Sloth

Many seem to have stopped reading at the title. The point of the title was that there is no difference between saying, “guns don’t kill people” and “guns don’t make you safe”.

A gun is simply a tool, which can be used to magnify effort and intention. When the effort is evil, the evil can be made greater. When the effort is good, the goodness can be made greater. When you try to diminish evil done by a few with restricting access to guns from everybody, you also diminish the good done by the vast majority. Gun control diminishes good far more that it can ever diminish evil.

We are made safer by having guns in the hands of good people making good decisions. The more guns, the bigger and better the guns, the more good that can be done. It is the goodness that makes us safer, not the tool that is used.

Thank you for taking the time to read and understand.


25 posted on 01/18/2013 11:40:57 AM PST by civislibertas
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To: civislibertas
What an idiotic argument!
Practice firing for accuracy, practice drawing for speed, practice reloading for speed and confidence, practice defensive assault conditions for staying alive.
Practice ... practice .... practice.

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.


Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
26 posted on 01/18/2013 11:49:33 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: civislibertas

All hail Civislibtardus!


27 posted on 01/18/2013 11:57:31 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Yosemitest
What an idiotic reply you made!

Read the whole thing BEFORE you go off half-cocked!

28 posted on 01/18/2013 12:01:19 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: civislibertas

“bigger or better weapons “

Typical liberal mindset that says a bigger gun is a better gun. Obviously written by someone that knows nothing about guns.


29 posted on 01/18/2013 12:08:13 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: civislibertas; Sloth; Ratman83

Upon reading your #25 post, I went back to re-read your original post, I have misunderstood you.

My apologies, thanks for correcting me.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 12:08:34 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Ok, no harm no foul.


31 posted on 01/18/2013 12:10:54 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Alas Babylon!
I did!
The article stinks of liberalism!
32 posted on 01/18/2013 12:40:18 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery – from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing – produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success.”
Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel


33 posted on 01/18/2013 12:54:31 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
If that isn't the most stupid statement I've every read, I don't know what is!
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution DOES not GUARANTEE OUR RIGHT TO BEAR arms !
Read it again, and get a better education!
Many of us will KILL to defend that RIGHT !
You got that?
How STUPID can YOU get !!!
34 posted on 01/18/2013 12:59:35 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Your reading comprehension is terrible.

The Constitution ENNUMERATES rights. We have these rights not FROM the government, but FROM God Almighty.

The 2nd amendment doesn't guarantee anything; rather, it restricts the government FROM passing laws that would attempt to remove our God-given rights.

The concept might be a little above your pay grade. I retired as an E-8, but then we were required to think about things and know the history of the Document we swore an oath to, not knee-jerk all out of proportion. What did you retire as? E-2?

The article is not Liberal at all, but is a thinking man's, one who understand history and the founding of this country, and a Christian man's, one who understand only God is righteous and good, and governments, made up by men, are always corrupt and/or corruptible, article.

You pounced without understanding. It was the headline, wasn't it?

35 posted on 01/18/2013 1:11:05 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
Well you've been doing too many drugs since you retired.
How did you get that E-8 stripe? By kissing up to the LIBERALS Clinton and Obama placed in charge of todays military?
You damned sure ain't no Senior, with that kind of twisted logic!
I been placed in charge of Air Traffic Control Towers and oversaw the Bush 41 visit in California.
You're a disgrace to the Air Force and to the patriots who defend the Constitution
if you believe that the Second Amendment doesn't GUARANTEE OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!
36 posted on 01/18/2013 1:23:32 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: civislibertas

It used to be on Free Republic, that people could post thought provoking articles, and anyone who didn’t read it completely and knee-jerked over it, would get the wrath of all the FReepers who were bright, intelligent conservatives.

We have devolved. Too many are loudmouth egotists who don’t read well or won’t read beyond the title. We used to ban those types—now they ban people like you. I’m sorry you’re continuing to get slammed for this.

To all you slammers—you are acting JUST LIKE Leftist babies. All emotion, no comprehension. And what is worse and laughable, is when someone points out your mistake, you double down and keep right on making it. That is so very democratic party of you!


37 posted on 01/18/2013 1:25:05 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Yosemitest

OK, let me be nice and not a jackass like you...

ALL the writer is saying is that we have, by virtue of being born creatures created by God Almightly, in His image, the right to defend ourselves from Evil. Do you believe that?

That just doesn’t apply to Americans, but to ALL men. Now many governments, princes, and tyrants have come and gone who tried to take that right away from us, and many succeeded in killing others to attempt it, but the right was still there, since it is from God.

What makes America and our Constitution so unique is that it spells out what the GOVERNMENT cannot do. “Congress shall make no law...” Do you see? Seriously. You seem to be a fervent support of the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and I admire that, but in your fervency you’re making enemies out of people on your side...


38 posted on 01/18/2013 1:31:51 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
the right to defend ourselves from Evil.
Do you believe that?" I read no such statement in his article and and I challenge you to provide a link to such a statement.
While the fact that "I may believe that" is true, it's irrelevant to the fact that the Second Amendment Guarantees the right to bear arms.
Anyone who would suggest otherwise, should be expelled out of this country. Period.

And I can't believe anyone who has spent enough time in the Air Force to retire, would state otherwise.
A statement to say "IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT RIGHT" is absolutely disgusting,
and make me call into question whether you ever serve in the military at all!
40 posted on 01/18/2013 1:44:42 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thanks for your support, Alas.

It’s important that we work through these issues and understand why our arguments are based on fundamental truths, not political agendas.


41 posted on 01/18/2013 1:48:03 PM PST by civislibertas
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To: Alas Babylon!
CORRECTION TO POST: I read no such statement in his article and and I challenge you to provide a link to such a statement.
While the fact that "I may believe that" is true, it's irrelevant to the fact that the Second Amendment Guarantees the right to bear arms.
Anyone who would suggest otherwise, should be expelled out of this country. Period.

And I can't believe anyone who has spent enough time in the Air Force to retire, would state otherwise.
A statement to say "IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT RIGHT" is absolutely disgusting,
and make me call into question whether you ever serve in the military at all!
42 posted on 01/18/2013 1:49:31 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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