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Conservatives Have Completed Their Cave On The Debt Ceiling
Business Insider ^ | 01/22/13 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 01/22/2013 1:59:35 PM PST by Wisconsinlady

“The Club for Growth will not oppose tomorrow’s vote on the debt ceiling,” Club for Growth President Chris Chocola said in the statement. “The Club for Growth will, on the other hand, strongly oppose any efforts during the upcoming debate over the continuing resolution and sequester that fail to arrest out-of-control spending and put sensible limits on the growth of government.”

That's a major reversal for an organization whose primary mission is to force lawmakers to curb government spending.

Until now, Club for Growth has demanded that any vote to increase the debt limit include a balanced budget amendment. The last time Republicans tried to raise the debt ceiling, during the August 2011 budget battles, Club for Growth came out strongly against the deal, even though it included $1.2 trillion in discretionary spending cuts.

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KEYWORDS: 113th; boehner; braking; cave; clubforgrowth; conservatives; debtceiling; fiscalcliff; rinos
This mass retreat paves a clear path for House Republicans to easily pass tomorrow's debt ceiling bill. That legislation basically suspends the debt ceiling limit for four months, with the expectation that the Senate will pass a budget in that time.

On Wednesday, the White House signaled that President Barack Obama would sign the Republican debt ceiling bill, should it pass the Senate.

"He will not stand in the way," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters. "We support the extension of the debt ceiling without drama or delay."

1 posted on 01/22/2013 1:59:43 PM PST by Wisconsinlady
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To: Wisconsinlady

Surprise. Surprise. Republicans are good on caving, playing defense, cowering, not showing leadership, and generally doing things with the ultimate goal of thinking the Democrats will like them if they only are nice.


2 posted on 01/22/2013 2:02:25 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: From The Deer Stand

Conservatives? No, I don’t think so. RINO perhaps, but not conservatives.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 2:05:03 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Wisconsinlady

They should change their mascot to the cave bear.


4 posted on 01/22/2013 2:05:40 PM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: From The Deer Stand

They all look so purty in their clean pressed suits too.. shame to see ‘em actually fall off their high horse flat on their faces.. again.. but sadly, not ‘unexpected’.


5 posted on 01/22/2013 2:07:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Obama and the democrats are hell bent on burning down America. And it appears the republicans are goong to stand by and watch it burn.


6 posted on 01/22/2013 2:07:19 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Wisconsinlady

We’ll see, should be a good idea to pound on the Dems for the next four months for spending cuts and have that to show when the debt ceiling comes up again.

Of course we all expect the RINOs to fold in exchange for ‘unicorn cuts’ in future spending that will never happen but who knows?
The Republicans, RINOs as well as conservatives, will suffer horribly in 2014 if action isn’t taken on spending. Someone in the Party is bound to realize that!


7 posted on 01/22/2013 2:08:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

” Someone in the Party is bound to realize that!”

You have more faith in the Republican party than I do!


8 posted on 01/22/2013 2:11:08 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Jim Robinson

Purist! /s


9 posted on 01/22/2013 2:11:17 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Wisconsinlady

Too many cowardly asshats still occupy the Republican side of the House.

In 2014, every RINO must be purged, especially the feckless leader, Boehner.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 2:15:55 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Wisconsinlady

SUCKERS!!!!!


11 posted on 01/22/2013 2:17:07 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Retreating one foxhole at a time.

The Republicans ARE WORTHLESS AND IN THE WAY.


12 posted on 01/22/2013 2:19:46 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Wait till the NRA caves on universal background checks or imports on ammo and parts or something like that.


13 posted on 01/22/2013 2:20:38 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I don’t know what’s worse, the pResident leading from behind or the Republicans following from in front.


14 posted on 01/22/2013 2:20:38 PM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Well, this actually puts the onus on the Senate. The Republicans can sit back and make the Senate pass a budget with this. It also puts the nuclear option in the public’s eye.


15 posted on 01/22/2013 2:23:26 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: servantboy777
Conservatives? No, I don’t think so. RINO perhaps, but not conservatives.

Yup. Either bad title or misleading tactics.
16 posted on 01/22/2013 2:24:11 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: Wisconsinlady
"He will not stand in the way," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters. "We support the extension of the debt ceiling without drama or delay."

Oh hallelujah - there will be rejoicing amongst the gang on the left with their plan to destroy the GOP. There will also be NO FIGHT on the CR no matter what they are professing simply because they are so afraid of the media and the WH blaming them for a GOV shutdown.

IMHO what is the difference - stand tall because the GOP is going to be blamed for everything that is wrong with America anyway now that we have "Our Lord and Savior" about to bring us all fully into utopia, and set right all the misdeeds of 230+ years. /s
17 posted on 01/22/2013 2:26:32 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I have no problem passing a short term extension to get something done, but if it is done as suspending it for four months, what kind of precedent does that set? It needs to be clear, or the leftists will hammer us later for that type of action. ‘they suspended it before, why not now?’ Our side always seems to cower under those accusations these days.


18 posted on 01/22/2013 2:32:13 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Wisconsinlady

It’s not caving if you read the bill. They’re playing offense and it worked. Now they have set the next battle’s playing field just right.


19 posted on 01/22/2013 2:37:49 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Wisconsinlady

Thats OK,the “Grand Old Party” will get ‘em next time. Keep kicking that ca down that long dust road.


20 posted on 01/22/2013 2:38:12 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Spirochete

But cave bears are fearsome predators with backbones. The GOP should use a cave-dwelling worm or slug as its logo.


21 posted on 01/22/2013 2:38:22 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Wisconsinlady
Maybe we are switching tactics to the approach of giving Obama everything he wants and see how big the fire is when it all collapses... Just step aside as the US goes over the cliff, maybe actually add a little more gasoline so the explosion is more complete. It's tempting, but we need more guns and ammo along will Mel Gibson's leather and dog for what happens next.
22 posted on 01/22/2013 2:42:36 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Wisconsinlady

A ProBama rag taking potshots at middle America.


23 posted on 01/22/2013 2:42:53 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: From The Deer Stand
And conservatives are good at staying home with their thumbs in their butts because no one is conservative enough for them!

If you whining malcontents want the Republicans to be strong, SUPPORT THEM!!!

24 posted on 01/22/2013 2:43:47 PM PST by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: Gene Eric

What about Paul Ryan, showing up at the inauguration and wondering why the Democrats booed him? I think we thought Ryan was a more sturdy force than he is.


25 posted on 01/22/2013 2:58:36 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: ilgipper

I’m not sure about this. Maybe Boehner is right to make a short-term retreat and wait for a better opportunity.

Maybe BO has the upper hand. We know that he’s ruthless— maybe the ‘pubs think he’s too powerful at this point to play chicken with. What could BO do if Boehner fought him to a draw? He might declare an emergency... his boys have re-written most of the guidelines and made subtle changes that have placed unprecedented power in his hands.

Consider what it would take to reverse such a coupe. Sure, the courts could declare it unconstitutional, but that could take years. And, who controls the courts? Justice department? The press?

The key is public sentiment. BO is riding a wave right now; he’s still popular. All we can do is hope and pray this doesn’t last, that reality will set in and turn popular sentiment against him.

Grim scenario, and I hope I’m wrong. But we ought to consider the possibility. These are dangerous times.


26 posted on 01/22/2013 3:00:56 PM PST by tsomer
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To: Deb
If you whining malcontents want the Republicans to be strong, SUPPORT THEM!!!

The GOP has had the support of conservatives. What have they done with it? They've made deals. They've helped to piss away our children's future. And, if we support them again, will they rig the process so a faux-conservative like Lindsay Graham or Chris Christie gets the nomination in 2016? Forget it.

27 posted on 01/22/2013 3:04:19 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( John Boehner is our Pierre Laval. We need a Charles DeGaulle.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You got it all wrong Jim. I had Freepmail last night assuring me on good authority that JonBon is really conservative and the problem is ‘herding cats’. So you see, this is all our fault for not doing the conservative thing and supporting the cave in as it is the conservative thing to do.

Makes perfect sense.


28 posted on 01/22/2013 3:08:17 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Deb

If the whining malcontents in the GOP ever do something worthy of our support, we will.

Until then, they are the problem.


29 posted on 01/22/2013 3:10:31 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson
It sure as heck seems that way. It would be nice to be able to count on an opposition party.
30 posted on 01/22/2013 3:13:23 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Wisconsinlady

Weren’t we told just a little while ago that, although the Republicans caved on taxes, the real fight would be over raising the debt ceiling? This is laughable. Since no one is listening to our point of view, we may as well start a third party.


31 posted on 01/22/2013 3:18:43 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Wisconsinlady

I think they should raise the debt ceiling to one nonillion dollars, you know, as a protest. Plus, it would be fun and educational.


32 posted on 01/22/2013 3:30:17 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Jim Robinson
GOP-e = Saul of Tarsus


33 posted on 01/22/2013 3:32:27 PM PST by Bratch
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To: popdonnelly

It is a tenet of liberalism that every day is brand new. History begins when you wake up. Nothing that was said before you woke up today ever happened, ergo you can’t be held to it. That is how they ignore anything they ever said or did with a straight face.

The GOP has adopted this wholeheartedly. The proof is in the fact that they copy Democrat implementation of the tactic to the letter.


34 posted on 01/22/2013 3:35:42 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: TheRhinelander; tsomer

Its now 4 months later and what will they do now that Harry Reid still will not allow a budget to pass? There is a debt limit ceiling that will expire within hours, and the democrats, the president, the media are all crying the sky is falling, the republicans are racists and taking us back to the bad old days of the South, and so on and so on. What do you think is going to be the end result? You think Bone Head will hold his ground? Really???????? When you cede the high ground that means you either give it to your enemy or the enemy eventually comes and takes it unopposed. And if the high ground is the only strategic advantage you have over your enemy and you cede it, what does that leave you with????? Try nothing at all.

Well this is exactly what they have done time and time again. And each time the Left gets more and more of the high ground while we retreat to lower quarters. To put it into laymen terms, there power over the state and the people increase. We keep giving them more and more rope so they can eventually hand us with it and I mean that quite literally. These are not nice or good people we are dealing with here.


35 posted on 01/22/2013 5:03:13 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Deb
And conservatives are good at staying home with their thumbs in their butts because no one is conservative enough for them!

Scott Walker and Rand Paul are Conservative enough for me. But not the rest of your useless log cabin fags like Christie and Jeb. You RINOs managed to drive this Conservative away from the GOP, nor will I be the last.

Good luck ever winning another election without Conservatives.

36 posted on 01/22/2013 5:11:51 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: rfp1234
But cave bears are fearsome predators with backbones. The GOP should use a cave-dwelling worm or slug as its logo.

True. On second thought, maybe a cave-dwelling crawfish would be a better mascot. Invertebrate, blind, and retreating swiftly backward when things get tough.

Democrats could accuse it of being all-white :)

37 posted on 01/22/2013 5:20:19 PM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Deb

Why dont you go play somewhere else?Conservatives dont vote for libs of either party you got that?


38 posted on 01/22/2013 5:53:58 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Theodore R.
What about Paul Ryan, showing up at the inauguration and wondering why the Democrats booed him?

Paul Ryan knew exactly why they booed him, but he's a classy enough person to attend the Inauguration of the President of the rival party, anyway. He made the statement very clearly that he doesn't agree with Obama, and will work against his policies, but the Inauguration of the President is an important event, because it represents the liberties we have as citizens to vote, every four years, on a new leader.

Sadly, too many of those who opposed Obama didn't bother to get out and vote against him, so we're stuck with him for another four years.

39 posted on 01/22/2013 7:11:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: tsomer

I think we agree. I am fine with a small increase in the ceiling. I see it being framed as ‘waiving’ or removing the ceiling for a short time. It needs to be clearly framed as congress raising the debt ceiling a small amount. If we waive it, it will come back later as something that should just be removed all together. The left has already been arguing for that for the past year or two to give the executive branch more unfettered power. The congress needs to clearly assert it’s rightful roll in managing the debt ceiling.

I am not totally against a small raise as a ‘token gesture’.


40 posted on 01/22/2013 7:48:16 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: DarkWaters

Well said, this is incremental surrender. More thought seems to be going into how to sugar coat the surrender than doing anything effective and courageous to save the country.


41 posted on 01/23/2013 4:44:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29
And that sugar coat is thinner than gold leaf paper. It wears out real quick, showing how ugly it will get.
42 posted on 01/23/2013 7:55:46 AM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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