Posted on 01/24/2013 11:04:39 AM PST by eastexsteve
Though I have never thought of myself as a conspiracy nut, there are just some things about this incident that don’t pass the smell test for me. Perhaps there are some of you out there who can help me through some of this confusion. I speak as someone who owns many guns, including a couple AR-15 variants. (Well, maybe I’m a nut after all.) But, be that as it may, I think I have a few unanswered questions that haven’t been mentioned before on this topic.
1) A day after the shooting occurred, NBC News and the morning show in particular, were discussing how the Bushmaster rifle used by the killer was actually found in the trunk of his car, and up to four handguns were found in the school. This indicates he did not use the rifle. Though I realize that preliminary news reports can sometimes be sketchy on an incident like this, this was NBC, and not some fly by night news agency. And, NBC was not the only agency to report this. And, this was a full 24 hours after the incident occurred. I’ll let this stand on its own merits.
2) In discussing this with anti-gun people, they are quick to tell me that the medical examiner had determined that the victims were killed with a Bushmaster rifle. I would like to know how he was able to determine it was a Bushmaster, and not one of the other hundred AR-15 variants?
3) I also take issue with something else the medical examiner said. In his report, he said something to the effect of: “..the shooter used ammunition designed for maximum tissue damage..” This statement alludes to the use of hollow point ammunition. Have you ever tried to buy any 5.56 hollow point ammunition? Have you ever even seen any? To my knowledge, Hornady is the only manufacturer that makes these rounds in 5.56, and I’ve never been able to find any in the years I’ve been shooting, much less been able to buy any. And, this type of hollow point ammunition is very expensive. From what I understand, it costs 2 to 3 times as much as the standard hardball 5.56 ammunition. The news has the killers mother painted as a “survivalist.” This type of high dollar ammunition is not something a survivalist would buy, even if she could find it. Sorry, but unless I actually see the bullets, I’m not sold on the idea that he used hollow point ammunition in an AR-15 rifle.
4) Also, Lanza supposedly did all this killing by walking into a room with a concrete floor and concrete or brick walls, and started shooting. I guarantee you, those AR-15 bullets would be bouncing around in that room like superballs. How on earth did he keep from getting struck by a ricocheting round?
5) One thing about AR-15 variant rifles. They are semi-auto rifles with side ejection ports and 16 inch barrels. Those guns are LOUD. They are exponentially louder than the automatic pistols Lanza was carrying. They are so loud that if you have the misfortune of standing in front of the muzzle or close to the side proximity of the muzzle of one as it is being fired, it could very easily damage are hearing. Supposedly, Lanza walked into enclosed school rooms and capped off 30 or more rounds. Yet, I hear no mention about the victims or survivors suffering any hearing damage. Really?
6) Also, in regard to the report those rifles make, I performed a little experiment in the shop attached to my barn. I took one of my AR-15 rifles and fired it into a makeshift bullet trap while my wife and two neighbors stood outside. I then asked them to describe what they heard. Witnesses in the Sandy Hook school building reported hearing a “pop, pop, pop” sound when describing the shooting. When I performed my little experiment, neither my wife nor my neighbors described the sound as being “pop, pop, pop.” They described it being VERY loud, and being “BANG, BANG, BANG” and even “BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.” Now, it has been my experience that “pop, pop, pop” is the sound most semi-automatic pistols would make under those conditions.
I don’t know that anyone actually initiated a cover-up to make it look like the Sandy Hook shooter used a Bushmaster rifle when he actually used his handguns. But, then again, I wouldn’t have believed that Fast and Furious could happen. But, it did. From what I can tell, and from what I've seen, everything about this points to a semi-auto pistol, and not a Bushmaster rifle.
And every little boy obeyed ?
Don't run in the house, stop bouncing that ball, sit straight in your chair, don't splash in the mud puddles ...
Don't look ?
I don't think so.
Oh, for cripes sake. Are you not in the least bit familiar with the general construction techniques used in most of these elementary schools?
They're pretty much cookie-cutter.
These are questions that are worthy of honest and convincing answers. Especially now after the narrative (”Adam Lanza, the troubled lone gunman, entered the school and began murdering children with an automatic rifle...etc.”) appears to be closed even though the investigation is said to be continuing.
this stinks like benghazi
Item 1: NBC reported it wrong. There is video of a shotgun being taken out of the trunk.
Item 2: I have always been skeptical of the medical examiner, who came out the next day and declared it was .223. He’s worked in that same county for 30 years, and there aren’t alot of gunshot deaths - how is he so expert at identifying the caliber of round used?
Item 3: I agree....but per item 2, I think the medical examiner is just talking out of his backside.
Item 4: Concrete block walls...the bullets probably went into them.
Item 5: Lanza wore hearing protection. I haven’t heard anything about injuries at all, so the lack of hearing damage reports is moot.
Item 6: I agree...he very well may have used his pistols. The investigation would normally be ‘open’ after 10 days; but, the police had a judge seal it. Therefore, we don’t know anything....except cherry picked information dished out to a lap dog media.
Isn’t it interesting the amount of shootings there have been during the obama presidency: Connecticut, Sandy Hook, then the countless ones from Fast & Furious.
I don’t know what to make of it, but something seems esque.
Without exception, every time I have had first hand knowledge of an event that was reported in the local media, they get at least one thing wrong.
Either they give the wrong address, or they attribute the wrong title to somebody, or occassionally their grasp of why the event is newsworthy is twisted 180 degrees.
Its uncanny really. Every single time.
I think it would make a difference if, for example, some of the murders were with one of his pistols. We keep hearing hysteria over ‘assault weapons’...but political manuevering aside, there has been no official, in writing, report on which weapons were used. We know what he carried, but not what he used.
I suspect we won’t get an official report, until we get AWB 2.0. Then the public will see the report...and if he didn’t even use the AR-15, ‘oh well - what difference does it make’ will be the standard line.
So.......you don’t know?
“I would like to know how he was able to determine it was a Bushmaster, and not one of the other hundred AR-15 variants?”
Well, that is simple. He didn’t say it was the Bushmaster, he just said the wounds were caused by “the rifle”. Since there was only one rifle found at the scene, it’s a simple inference to take that as referring to the Bushmaster, but he did not actually say that.
Actually, a couple have done so. BTW: “cinder block” and “concrete block” are synonyms...
Kind of fascinating...human skulls and a child dug up from a cemetery don't sound like Santeria to me. Not sure I would want to live around there, not even close.
If you shoot an AR in a house wihout hearing protection you will absolutely and permanantly damage your hearing. There are multiple law enforcement training studies to back this up.
It’s a conspiracy. They’re from Connecticut. They would have said, “Soda, Soda, Soda.”
“Gimme a Coke, and make it Pepsi” — overheard in many places in the South.
“From what I can tell, and from what I’ve seen, everything about this points to a semi-auto pistol, and not a Bushmaster rifle.”
Not everything points to that. One big thing that you are missing is the number of rounds fired. I don’t have exact numbers, but we’ve been told he fired “hundreds” of rounds, and the victims had 3-11 wounds apiece. That is a lot of firing to be accomplished in a short time with automatic pistols, even if you are carrying two pistols and have extended magazines. Especially when you consider he was not able to shoot his victims one at a time, at his leisure, because he had to deal with crowds.
And the fact that a 6 year old hasn’t come forward to the press to confirm the kills when they peeked on the way out is proof of a conspiracy?
Well, except for the eyewitnesses who survived that saw the actual shooting. I know they’re not convenient for a conspiracy theory, but you can’t wish them away.
Also, I’m sure that next time there is a shooting, the police will parade all the kids in front of the carnage and tell them to take cell phone pics, just so that nutjobs can be satisfied.
Not suggestion this info is accurate or even close to being accurate. But you may want to peruse it for additional sources as it contains links to 142 various sources. It is Wikipedia so take it with grains of salt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
I’m pretty sure it was only media people saying that, I have watched a lot of videos and have never seen anyone from law enforcement saying that.
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