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Two-thirds of U.S. weapons owners would 'defy' a federal gun ban
The Washington Times ^ | January 20, 2013 | Jennifer Harper

Posted on 01/24/2013 2:01:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

An interesting little factoid has emerged from a new Fox News poll of U.S. voters: Personal sentiments are strong and defiant among many U.S. gun owners.

Question 46 in the wide-ranging survey of more than 1,000 registered voters asks if there is a gun in the household. Overall, 52 percent of the respondents said yes, someone in their home owned a gun. That number included 65 percent of Republicans, 59 percent of conservatives, 38 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of liberals.

But on to Question 47, addressed to those with a gun in their home: "If the government passed a law to take your guns, would you give up your guns or defy the law and keep your guns?"

The response: 65 percent reported they would "defy the law." That incudes 70 percent of Republicans, 68 percent of conservatives, 52 percent of Democrats and 59 percent of liberals...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; polls; secondamendment
So much for that.
1 posted on 01/24/2013 2:01:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the other 3rd are quietly losing their weapons in the woods and over the side of boats.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 2:03:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never give an order that you know won’t be obeyed...


3 posted on 01/24/2013 2:03:28 PM PST by abb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe the whole idea may be to pass so many laws that nobody could possibly obey them all. You could then round up anybody you want at any time.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 2:04:27 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Defy, Lie, Do Not Comply.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 2:05:51 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
hence; another FR thread:
Shock claim: Obama only wants military leaders who 'will fire on U.S. citizens'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2981517/posts

can't have any officers who'll disregard an UN-Constitutional proclamation.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 2:09:19 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
"Kill all they send..."

That's my line in the sand. And a promise to keep.

7 posted on 01/24/2013 2:09:36 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: mmichaels1970
I believe the whole idea may be to pass so many laws that nobody could possibly
obey them all. You could then round up anybody you want at any time.
similar to what Any Rand's fictional character; "John Galt" had said about rights...

8 posted on 01/24/2013 2:13:45 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: abb

I believe Sun Tsu said something along those lines. It severely weakens a leader.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 2:15:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


"What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, polkers, or whatever else was at hand?"

From:'The Gulag Archipelago' by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
11 posted on 01/24/2013 2:15:39 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: mmichaels1970

That is a great point. You have a firearm? Well I see you haven’t been properly disposing your used motor oil. That carries a fine of $2,000.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 2:17:55 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is where our Rule of Law begins to crumble. Our government loses its legitimacy when the citizenry no longer recognizes or respects its authority.

An illigitimate government is destined for a people’s revolt.

When the government can pass laws that make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals, they can enforce them judiciously as they see fit. A Scooter Libby can do jail time whilst a Sandy Burglar gets a dunce hat. A politician can evade taxes while a middle class family man can be jailed for tax filing errors and penalty fee defaults.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 2:18:44 PM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The Brittish are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: clamper1797

My philosophy also. But you take what circumstances and opportunity dictate.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 2:20:01 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Yep, there are so many laws now that we are all guilty of something. The result is we are all subject to selective and subjective police state harassment, fines, imprisonment, etc.

“...from my cold dead hands”


15 posted on 01/24/2013 2:20:10 PM PST by Magnum44 (.45 Caliber - because having to shoot twice is just silly)
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To: mmichaels1970

We’re already at that point:
Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation’s Federal Criminal Laws
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304319804576389601079728920.html


16 posted on 01/24/2013 2:21:02 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They will turn your children and grandchildren into informants in the schools. They will offer big rewards for anonymous leads. They will take your house, car, and savings if you are caught with an illegal gun.

Now, if the government writes laws to confiscate your guns, will you cooperate?


17 posted on 01/24/2013 2:21:41 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals = Sheep

Conservatives = Sheepdogs (with opposing thumbs)

Democrat Politicians = Wolves


18 posted on 01/24/2013 2:22:26 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, I no longer have to worry about the banned weapons I USED TO HAVE because of a tragic boating accident that one fateful day........


19 posted on 01/24/2013 2:22:47 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s another factoid: 100% of thugs, gangbangers, criminals and low lives will not comply either. They don’t give a dang about the laws that are currently on the books, nor will they give two hoots about any new ones.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 2:24:18 PM PST by RobertClark ("May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't" - George S. Patton)
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To: usconservative

It was supposed to be a three hour tour, but the weather started getting rough and the tiny ship was tossed! If not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Minnow would be lost!


21 posted on 01/24/2013 2:24:55 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Noumenon
Ralph Waldo Emerson, in his “Concord Hymn”, described the first shot fired by the Patriots at the North Bridge as the “shot heard ‘round the world.”

I wounder where and when the “Second shot will be fired” to protect and defend the 2nd Amendment.

We stand at 100% at this location, no gun turn in today or ever.

Molon Labe

22 posted on 01/24/2013 2:30:25 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

Good slogan.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 2:39:02 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
I hope everyone realizes what happened over the last month. Feinstein threatened to NFA everything (de facto confiscation), we got loud, bold, and bought enough firearms to outfit the entire chinese and indian armies.

They rightly got scared and backed down. The bill unveiled today IS NOTHING LIKE as harsh as the one suggested dec 27th.

Well done brothers, this was a good start.

STICK TO YOUR GUNS

24 posted on 01/24/2013 2:46:12 PM PST by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: mmichaels1970; All
I believe the whole idea may be to pass so many laws that nobody could possibly obey them all.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." -Atlas Shrugged
25 posted on 01/24/2013 2:53:02 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My ancestors have been on American soil before it was a nation, helped fight and bleed for its birth, and fought in many armed struggles since then. My Cherokee blood ancestors were not afraid to die and defend their homeland from invading Europeans. My Scotch and English relatives were not afraid to pull the trigger on King George’s men and German mercenaries. My great great great grandfather stood his ground at Shiloh and Bull Run and was not afraid to pull the trigger on other countrymen. My grand uncles stood their ground and pulled the trigger on Japanese soldiers at Guadalcanal in the Pacific, German soldiers on Utah beach and the Arden forest in WWII, and above Germany in B-17’s with the 8’th AF starring down the Luftwaffe. My USMC Gunny Sgt. Father stood his ground and was not afraid to pull the trigger on Chinese and North Korean communist soldiers, and my cousins were not afraid to pull the trigger on the VC in S. E. Asia with Army special forces and another with the U.S.M.C. 9’th division. My first Scout Master was a Pearl Harbor survivor from the USS California, a year later he was replaced by his friend and fellow Knights of Columbus member, a retired full Army Colonel and veteran of WWII and Korea. I was taught to shoot and hunt and love my country with these men who are mostly gone now. From the grave all of these men cry out to me and say stand your ground. I am not afraid to die for what is right and just. I am not afraid to risk all that I have to defend freedom and preserve the right to bare arms for my children, even if it costs all that I have. Semi auto rifles are already a compromise over what the military troops are armed with in comparison and the 2’nd amendment specifically defends the right and need for me to have it and for my children to have them. The armed citizen is all that stands in defense of freedom and if you tell me that a tyrant could never take over in this nation in 2013, my answer to you would be to ask that question to my Cherokee ancestors, my revolutionary war ancestors, my civil war ancestors, my relatives who fought tyrants and communist forces in this century. Freedom is only a generation from being lost. Not one inch of ground and not one weapon will I give up to anyone that attempts to take them in any fashion while I breath.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 2:58:02 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Tenacious 1
This is where our Rule of Law begins to crumble. Our government loses its legitimacy when the citizenry no longer recognizes or respects its authority.

When the government can pass laws that make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals, they can enforce them judiciously as they see fit. A Scooter Libby can do jail time whilst a Sandy Burglar gets a dunce hat. A politician can evade taxes while a middle class family man can be jailed for tax filing errors and penalty fee defaults. You nailed it 100% Tenacious.

A few days ago a Freeper posted, "I believe America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system and too soon to start shooting.”

I would love Biden to ask me why I need an assult weapon. I would look him square in his eye and say, "Because I do not trust you."

27 posted on 01/24/2013 3:08:09 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Noumenon

sorry, but that’s a lame line in the sand.

You go ‘around’ the jack booted thug goons.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 3:15:45 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Born to Conserve
They will take your house, car, and savings if you are caught with an illegal gun.

And when people have nothing left to lose, that's when all hell will be unleashed on those responsible.
29 posted on 01/24/2013 3:24:27 PM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Straight out of Atlas Shrugged.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 3:47:49 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: mmichaels1970
I believe the whole idea may be to pass so many laws that nobody could possibly obey them all. You could then round up anybody you want at any time.

Bingo.

31 posted on 01/24/2013 3:52:01 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Tenacious 1

Nail on the head post.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 4:09:17 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Hammerhead

So you presume to know the day and the hour? Good luck with that. Events have a way of overtaking even the most prepared. Just a simple truth.

I have a list. Hopefully, I’ll have the opportunity to work my way through it. If not, well...


33 posted on 01/24/2013 4:11:46 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Hammerhead
You go ‘around’ the jack booted thug goons.

Yup. Don't fight the robots. Take the fight to the ones giving orders.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 4:14:10 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Mat_Helm

MH, great post thanks.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 4:16:16 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Question: Why do Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians pour motor oil on their flower beds?

Answer: They don’t want the guns buried there to rust.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 4:27:40 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: mmichaels1970

Welcome to ATLAS SHRUGGED..


37 posted on 01/24/2013 4:31:44 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Mat_Helm
Heck of a post, FRiend!!

I have the same type of family.....No mistake.

38 posted on 01/24/2013 4:35:00 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: SENTINEL

You are spot on. I think we forced a real retreat from Feinstein in the nature and severity of her bill, but we need to keep them back on their heals and keep pushing back,,,HARD. We need pro gun legislation to counter and divert their attention and energy, or we will be on the receiving end again, and we don’t want to dig out of this situation again.

No confiscation, WHICH SHE WANTED, but we stopped COLD.

So good job Americans, but we are not done yet...


39 posted on 01/24/2013 4:56:42 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course we will. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind? I mean, come on, someone like DiFi is going to say, "Sure, we lied, cheated, demonized you, and did everything we could to get around the Constitution in order to get this passed, but hey, give us your names. You can trust us."

No, I'm afraid that this thing is going to get a lot more unpleasant before it gets better. A large number of liberals react to defiance with rage, especially when they get a taste of power, and will not be reasoned with. This fight is only beginning.

40 posted on 01/24/2013 4:56:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Mat_Helm
Mat_Helm said: "Not one inch of ground and not one weapon will I give up to anyone that attempts to take them in any fashion while I breath."

That's fine.

But I am reminded of the words of General Patton:
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

A rifle confiscated anywhere in this country is the same as a rifle confiscated from my own home.

41 posted on 01/24/2013 8:08:59 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Here's a further clarification.

A person jailed and charged with a crime for failing to register a rifle is the same as confiscating that rifle.

42 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:49 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Sirius Lee

So, does that mean that, in the meantime, the robots that are “Just following orders sir/ma’am”, should just be allowed to carry out their orders w/o interference?

Of course you didn’t mean that, right?


43 posted on 01/25/2013 12:23:21 AM PST by moemoll
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To: skinkinthegrass; Red in Blue PA; Osage Orange
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them.

I knew I couldn't have thought of that on my own. It's probably been 10 years since I read the book, but I can see how it's influenced my every day thinking.
44 posted on 01/25/2013 5:29:22 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: moemoll
So, does that mean that, in the meantime, the robots that are “Just following orders sir/ma’am”, should just be allowed to carry out their orders w/o interference?

I'm saying that it is inefficient to expend your energy wrestling pigs if in fact the problem is that your neighbor is the one releasing them to tear up your garden. You go directly for the guy releasing the pigs - or flying monkeys - or whatever - and put and end to it.

If you register your guns, they will be coming around to take them the day after. On the day that the balloon goes up I'm saying don't even be there when they come to take them and kill you. Outflank them, skip the fat, and go right for the meat.

45 posted on 01/25/2013 6:05:34 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee

Well, what your saying about not being there, and going after the one who sent them may be neat tricks, if you can pull them off. Some problems,though:

1) The forces that will carry this out will be the aggressors, at least in the beginning, meaning they will chose the time and place, and they aren’t going to let their targets know if, when and where they’re coming.

2) Another problem, where do you and yours go? To do so at a moments notice isn’t easy for most people, even if they have at least a general idea of and what is now going on and do the best they can to get ready.

3) Related to 1), the pigs you speak of show up. Fight? Surrender? Flee, if possible? A decision needs to be made how to deal with it. Even if it’s just you, you’re not going to be allowed to flee. If you have anyone in your home that is elderly or disabled, unless you’re willing to leave them behind to the tender mercies of the pigs in your quest to get the one who sent them, then fight or give up are the only choices.

4) The one who sent them. Your neighbor likely won’t be heavily armed/armored with companions equipped the same way. Those we deal with may well be. Also, Mr. Neighbor is probably “it”, not a low-ranking member of an organization, which is what we will be facing. The leader of the on site pigs is one of the sent, not the sender. So, assuming you can avoid dealing w/the sent, there is a chain of command of senders. Without going into detail, the higher up you try to go, the harder your potential target will be to get to. (To any Fed/State/Local leo’s reading this, is NOT intended to threaten, advocate, or incite ANYTHING, ok?)


46 posted on 01/25/2013 9:23:26 AM PST by moemoll
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To: moemoll
Well, what your saying about not being there, and going after the one who sent them may be neat tricks, if you can pull them off. Some problems,though:

Sure there are always problems, but none so insurmountable as just sitting in a cabin on a mountain and waiting for the drone to strike you, because even if you have a cleared 1000 yard perimeter, they'll just say, aw the heck with it and call down the thunder from 20,000 feet.

If you're navigating around, say, the financial district of a city, they're less likely to blow you up.

You can't outrun helicopters in the woods, especially once the sun goes down and you're lit up like a christmas tree.

47 posted on 01/25/2013 9:44:44 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Born to Conserve
They will offer big rewards for anonymous leads. They will take your house, car, and savings if you are caught with an illegal gun.

Then, the person following the "anonymous" lead, the one who confiscates your house, car, and savings, will turn up dead two weeks later: killed while you were home watching American Idol on your parents sofa......

48 posted on 01/25/2013 9:46:21 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Sirius Lee

Did you read all the post? It’s rather long, I’ll admit, but still.

Cabin in the woods, etc. Like most people, I don’t have one of those. Strawman.

It seems that your idea, though it has merit, also has some potential problems that should be at least considered before deciding on a course of action for if and when the time comes.

Well, there are some things that need tended to, so off I go. Later.


49 posted on 01/25/2013 11:05:04 AM PST by moemoll
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To: moemoll

concerning number 4...

While things may dissolve in bloody civil war in certain areas, with neighborhood going after oath-breakers and their families, etc. It’s best to avoid atrocity, targeting innocents, or a war of attrition. The ruling class elites could care less how many Obots perish for tyranny.

Planners, enablers, intellectuals, media elites on the other hand value their mortality. Many also value their public life. Most are not willing to make a complete life change after so many years of “service” and go into hiding. No way. So they are quite available for discussion, feedback. Terrify them. Destroy their will to pursue their tyrannical ends with fear. A reality adjustment to give them pause. How intense that gets is up to them.


50 posted on 01/25/2013 5:02:16 PM PST by TheBigJ
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