Skip to comments.Two-thirds of U.S. weapons owners would 'defy' a federal gun ban
Posted on 01/24/2013 2:01:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
An interesting little factoid has emerged from a new Fox News poll of U.S. voters: Personal sentiments are strong and defiant among many U.S. gun owners.
Question 46 in the wide-ranging survey of more than 1,000 registered voters asks if there is a gun in the household. Overall, 52 percent of the respondents said yes, someone in their home owned a gun. That number included 65 percent of Republicans, 59 percent of conservatives, 38 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of liberals.
But on to Question 47, addressed to those with a gun in their home: "If the government passed a law to take your guns, would you give up your guns or defy the law and keep your guns?"
The response: 65 percent reported they would "defy the law." That incudes 70 percent of Republicans, 68 percent of conservatives, 52 percent of Democrats and 59 percent of liberals...
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And the other 3rd are quietly losing their weapons in the woods and over the side of boats.
Never give an order that you know won’t be obeyed...
I believe the whole idea may be to pass so many laws that nobody could possibly obey them all. You could then round up anybody you want at any time.
Defy, Lie, Do Not Comply.
can't have any officers who'll disregard an UN-Constitutional proclamation.
That's my line in the sand. And a promise to keep.
I believe Sun Tsu said something along those lines. It severely weakens a leader.
That is a great point. You have a firearm? Well I see you haven’t been properly disposing your used motor oil. That carries a fine of $2,000.
This is where our Rule of Law begins to crumble. Our government loses its legitimacy when the citizenry no longer recognizes or respects its authority.
An illigitimate government is destined for a people’s revolt.
When the government can pass laws that make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals, they can enforce them judiciously as they see fit. A Scooter Libby can do jail time whilst a Sandy Burglar gets a dunce hat. A politician can evade taxes while a middle class family man can be jailed for tax filing errors and penalty fee defaults.
My philosophy also. But you take what circumstances and opportunity dictate.
Yep, there are so many laws now that we are all guilty of something. The result is we are all subject to selective and subjective police state harassment, fines, imprisonment, etc.
“...from my cold dead hands”
We’re already at that point:
Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation’s Federal Criminal Laws
They will turn your children and grandchildren into informants in the schools. They will offer big rewards for anonymous leads. They will take your house, car, and savings if you are caught with an illegal gun.
Now, if the government writes laws to confiscate your guns, will you cooperate?
Liberals = Sheep
Conservatives = Sheepdogs (with opposing thumbs)
Democrat Politicians = Wolves
Yep, I no longer have to worry about the banned weapons I USED TO HAVE because of a tragic boating accident that one fateful day........
Here’s another factoid: 100% of thugs, gangbangers, criminals and low lives will not comply either. They don’t give a dang about the laws that are currently on the books, nor will they give two hoots about any new ones.
It was supposed to be a three hour tour, but the weather started getting rough and the tiny ship was tossed! If not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Minnow would be lost!
I wounder where and when the “Second shot will be fired” to protect and defend the 2nd Amendment.
We stand at 100% at this location, no gun turn in today or ever.
They rightly got scared and backed down. The bill unveiled today IS NOTHING LIKE as harsh as the one suggested dec 27th.
Well done brothers, this was a good start.
My ancestors have been on American soil before it was a nation, helped fight and bleed for its birth, and fought in many armed struggles since then. My Cherokee blood ancestors were not afraid to die and defend their homeland from invading Europeans. My Scotch and English relatives were not afraid to pull the trigger on King Georges men and German mercenaries. My great great great grandfather stood his ground at Shiloh and Bull Run and was not afraid to pull the trigger on other countrymen. My grand uncles stood their ground and pulled the trigger on Japanese soldiers at Guadalcanal in the Pacific, German soldiers on Utah beach and the Arden forest in WWII, and above Germany in B-17s with the 8th AF starring down the Luftwaffe. My USMC Gunny Sgt. Father stood his ground and was not afraid to pull the trigger on Chinese and North Korean communist soldiers, and my cousins were not afraid to pull the trigger on the VC in S. E. Asia with Army special forces and another with the U.S.M.C. 9th division. My first Scout Master was a Pearl Harbor survivor from the USS California, a year later he was replaced by his friend and fellow Knights of Columbus member, a retired full Army Colonel and veteran of WWII and Korea. I was taught to shoot and hunt and love my country with these men who are mostly gone now. From the grave all of these men cry out to me and say stand your ground. I am not afraid to die for what is right and just. I am not afraid to risk all that I have to defend freedom and preserve the right to bare arms for my children, even if it costs all that I have. Semi auto rifles are already a compromise over what the military troops are armed with in comparison and the 2nd amendment specifically defends the right and need for me to have it and for my children to have them. The armed citizen is all that stands in defense of freedom and if you tell me that a tyrant could never take over in this nation in 2013, my answer to you would be to ask that question to my Cherokee ancestors, my revolutionary war ancestors, my civil war ancestors, my relatives who fought tyrants and communist forces in this century. Freedom is only a generation from being lost. Not one inch of ground and not one weapon will I give up to anyone that attempts to take them in any fashion while I breath.
When the government can pass laws that make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals, they can enforce them judiciously as they see fit. A Scooter Libby can do jail time whilst a Sandy Burglar gets a dunce hat. A politician can evade taxes while a middle class family man can be jailed for tax filing errors and penalty fee defaults. You nailed it 100% Tenacious.
A few days ago a Freeper posted, "I believe America is at that awkward stage. Its too late to work within the system and too soon to start shooting.
I would love Biden to ask me why I need an assult weapon. I would look him square in his eye and say, "Because I do not trust you."
sorry, but that’s a lame line in the sand.
You go ‘around’ the jack booted thug goons.
Straight out of Atlas Shrugged.
Nail on the head post.
So you presume to know the day and the hour? Good luck with that. Events have a way of overtaking even the most prepared. Just a simple truth.
I have a list. Hopefully, I’ll have the opportunity to work my way through it. If not, well...
Yup. Don't fight the robots. Take the fight to the ones giving orders.
MH, great post thanks.
Question: Why do Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians pour motor oil on their flower beds?
Answer: They don’t want the guns buried there to rust.
Welcome to ATLAS SHRUGGED..
I have the same type of family.....No mistake.
You are spot on. I think we forced a real retreat from Feinstein in the nature and severity of her bill, but we need to keep them back on their heals and keep pushing back,,,HARD. We need pro gun legislation to counter and divert their attention and energy, or we will be on the receiving end again, and we don’t want to dig out of this situation again.
No confiscation, WHICH SHE WANTED, but we stopped COLD.
So good job Americans, but we are not done yet...
No, I'm afraid that this thing is going to get a lot more unpleasant before it gets better. A large number of liberals react to defiance with rage, especially when they get a taste of power, and will not be reasoned with. This fight is only beginning.
But I am reminded of the words of General Patton:
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
A rifle confiscated anywhere in this country is the same as a rifle confiscated from my own home.
A person jailed and charged with a crime for failing to register a rifle is the same as confiscating that rifle.
So, does that mean that, in the meantime, the robots that are “Just following orders sir/ma’am”, should just be allowed to carry out their orders w/o interference?
Of course you didn’t mean that, right?
I'm saying that it is inefficient to expend your energy wrestling pigs if in fact the problem is that your neighbor is the one releasing them to tear up your garden. You go directly for the guy releasing the pigs - or flying monkeys - or whatever - and put and end to it.
If you register your guns, they will be coming around to take them the day after. On the day that the balloon goes up I'm saying don't even be there when they come to take them and kill you. Outflank them, skip the fat, and go right for the meat.
Well, what your saying about not being there, and going after the one who sent them may be neat tricks, if you can pull them off. Some problems,though:
1) The forces that will carry this out will be the aggressors, at least in the beginning, meaning they will chose the time and place, and they aren’t going to let their targets know if, when and where they’re coming.
2) Another problem, where do you and yours go? To do so at a moments notice isn’t easy for most people, even if they have at least a general idea of and what is now going on and do the best they can to get ready.
3) Related to 1), the pigs you speak of show up. Fight? Surrender? Flee, if possible? A decision needs to be made how to deal with it. Even if it’s just you, you’re not going to be allowed to flee. If you have anyone in your home that is elderly or disabled, unless you’re willing to leave them behind to the tender mercies of the pigs in your quest to get the one who sent them, then fight or give up are the only choices.
4) The one who sent them. Your neighbor likely won’t be heavily armed/armored with companions equipped the same way. Those we deal with may well be. Also, Mr. Neighbor is probably “it”, not a low-ranking member of an organization, which is what we will be facing. The leader of the on site pigs is one of the sent, not the sender. So, assuming you can avoid dealing w/the sent, there is a chain of command of senders. Without going into detail, the higher up you try to go, the harder your potential target will be to get to. (To any Fed/State/Local leo’s reading this, is NOT intended to threaten, advocate, or incite ANYTHING, ok?)
Sure there are always problems, but none so insurmountable as just sitting in a cabin on a mountain and waiting for the drone to strike you, because even if you have a cleared 1000 yard perimeter, they'll just say, aw the heck with it and call down the thunder from 20,000 feet.
If you're navigating around, say, the financial district of a city, they're less likely to blow you up.
You can't outrun helicopters in the woods, especially once the sun goes down and you're lit up like a christmas tree.
Then, the person following the "anonymous" lead, the one who confiscates your house, car, and savings, will turn up dead two weeks later: killed while you were home watching American Idol on your parents sofa......
Did you read all the post? It’s rather long, I’ll admit, but still.
Cabin in the woods, etc. Like most people, I don’t have one of those. Strawman.
It seems that your idea, though it has merit, also has some potential problems that should be at least considered before deciding on a course of action for if and when the time comes.
Well, there are some things that need tended to, so off I go. Later.
concerning number 4...
While things may dissolve in bloody civil war in certain areas, with neighborhood going after oath-breakers and their families, etc. It’s best to avoid atrocity, targeting innocents, or a war of attrition. The ruling class elites could care less how many Obots perish for tyranny.
Planners, enablers, intellectuals, media elites on the other hand value their mortality. Many also value their public life. Most are not willing to make a complete life change after so many years of “service” and go into hiding. No way. So they are quite available for discussion, feedback. Terrify them. Destroy their will to pursue their tyrannical ends with fear. A reality adjustment to give them pause. How intense that gets is up to them.
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