Skip to comments.Renowned author: Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens
Posted on 01/25/2013 4:16:04 PM PST by grundle
On Monday, Dr. Jim Garrow, a renowned author and humanitarian who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, sparked a firestorm of controversy when he wrote on Facebook that President Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com, Dr. Garrow said the man who told him this is a military hero who is known by everybody in the country.
"I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new 'litmus test' in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks," he wrote.
"The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not," the unnamed military officer reportedly said. Dr. Garrow also wrote that those who do not meet this litmus test are being removed.
On Tuesday, Dr. Garrow said that officers who know about this cannot come forward without endangering themselves and facing possible retaliation from the administration.
According to Dr. Garrow, the officer who made the allegation learned about the litmus test from the person who got him interested in military service. That person, Dr. Garrow added, was forced out for failing to meet the criteria.
Dr. Garrow said he promised to keep the officer's name from the public, adding that he stands behind what he was told regardless of the consequences.
"I would stake my full reputation on this gentleman," he said.
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Besides, Obama already killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen, without judicial process, which is prohibited by the Constitution, and is an impeachable offense, so this new info is consistent with Obama's past behavior.
I would say it is true.
My niece, who is in the Air Force, was just promoted.
And during her oral questioning, was asked if she were willing to fire on US citizens if ordered to do so.
(She said they told her not to answer, it was a rhetorical question.)
I think they may have been watching body language, when she was asked.
Well, that convinces me. /s
If this "military hero" is so concerned, he ought to call a news conference and tell the entire country what he knows.
It would be a risk for sure, but that's what heroes do.
How reliable is the source? (The Examiner)
Supposedly the hero is retired, and the active duty officer (who the hero had mentored) who told him about the litmus test also retired because he couldn’t agree to it.
So there are two men beyond having their military careers harmed (except for consulting, etc.) who believe that Obama is planning a military dictatorship. They themselves are not yet coming forward.
I’ll believe this when officers with names step forward and say it.
DREAM Act anyone ?
He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders.
Examiner blog sucks and zotted Joe Newby sucks even harder.
But hey, you like blogs, right?
The military has been used in the past to break up protests:
In July 1932, Patton served under Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur as a major commanding 600 troops of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment. On 28 July, MacArthur ordered these troops to advance on protesting veterans known as the “Bonus Army” in Washington, D.C. with tear gas and bayonets. One of the veterans dispersed by the cavalry was Joe Angelo, who had saved Patton’s life in World War I.
Patton was dissatisfied with MacArthur’s conduct as he recognized the legitimacy of the veterans’ complaints and had himself earlier refused to issue the order to employ armed force to disperse the veterans.
Patton later stated that, though he found the duty “most distasteful,” he also felt that putting the marchers down prevented an insurrection and saved lives and property. He personally led the 3rd Cavalry down Pennsylvania Avenue dispersing the protesters.
The above is per Wikipedia and can be found under George S. Patton (Jr.). Further information can be read under “Bonus Army”.
Will U.S. troops fire upon civilians? I believe so. There exists more than one reason BHO2 would give such an order, but generally he thrives on the pain and chaos it will cause Americans.
We should not give BHO2 any opportunity to declare Martial Law against conservative America. Everyone knows what I’m talking about here: we can’t prevent Detroit, Los Angeles, or Phiadelphia, from going ballistic and burning their cities down, but we can be smart and not provide a target for the administration.
“....and is an impeachable offense....”
Them are fighting words to the administration especially when Obama is unimpeachable.
If you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, name me JUST ONE congresscritter with the brass to start impeachment procedures.
Well when the Czars officers ordered their troops to fire on their fellow Russians, how did that turn out for the officers....
Exactly. That's why this is a fool's errand. Not even the Soviets could get such a setup going.
Perhaps not quite so far fetched as you think.
Some may fire back.
You obviously were too young or inattentive when William Colby, Admiral Boorda, and a few hundred others left this realm.
So if Obama is a US citizen..........
It could be done, It may take thirty years of promoting willing people, but it would be possible to create a military culture that no longer feels accountable to the people.
I think this is very likely true... all signs are definitely leading to it complete with the push for gun control.
I remember when this was a hot topic on the emerging modern talk radio.
Consider the following statement: `I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government'."
The question was then posed as to what degree the individual Marine agreed with the Statement.
According to the results given in Cunningham's thesis, a total of 88 percent, or 264 Marines, responded to the question.
Of the 264 who responded, 26.34 percent, or 79 Marines, indicated they would be willing to "fire upon U.S. citizens."
Of that total, 18.67 percent, or 56 Marines, indicated they "agree" with the statement, and 7.67 percent, or 23 Marines, indicated that they "strongly agree."
A total of 61.66 percent, or 185, indicated that they were opposed to firing at citizens.
Of the total, 42.33 percent, or 127, indicated they "strongly disagree" and 19.33 percent, or 58, indicated they "disagree."
In his thesis, Cunningham noted: "This particular question, unlike the others, elicited from 15.97 percent of the respondents with an opinion, either heavier pen or pencil marks on their response or written comments in the margin space. The responses to this scenario suggest that a complete unit breakdown could occur in a unit tasked to execute this mission,"
However, it becomes clear that a poll would be useful in determining which soldiers, and in this case Marines, would be willing to undertake such a mission, to fire upon U.S. citizens."
“It would be a risk for sure, but that’s what heroes do.”
Makes sense to me. What good is NDAA without the right people to enforce it!
I’ll believe it, maybe, when the “military hero”—the “former senior military leader”—tells us all. And that’s a maybe.
Has it ever happened in another country? If so, it can happen here, given enough time.
>>He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders.
Exactly! When the officer orders his men to fire on the citizens, he might only hear one shot. I guess Obama will be embedding Political Officers with all troops now.
Just like Germany in the 30’s...and we dumb Americans used to ask the question how could German citizens have been so stupid in electing Adolph Hitler.
If something like this would have been said of any previous president, the country and MSM would have been up in arms.
What a repulsive notion — a president who is looking for people willing to kill those who put him in office.
It just shows how low we have sank as a nation.
See more including a video interview with Garrow at:
Uh 1.4 billion rounds of +P critical defense frangible rounds of ammo for DHS. They are coming to get us at some point.
Stalin got rid of his generals too.
Too many of our military people are too good of a citizen for me to believe this. I’m not saying there can’t be elements like this but not many.
In my truck we wondered how 700 grunts were going to control hundreds of thousands of angry Americans but there was no doubt among us that we would FOLLOW ORDERS. That's what soldiers did then and that's what soldiers always do.
Thankfully it all turned out peacefully and we went back to our normal duty of burying dead warriors with honor.
According to the results given in Cunningham’s thesis, a total of 88 percent, or 264 Marines, responded to the question.
Of the 264 who responded, 26.34 percent, or 79 Marines, indicated they would be willing to “fire upon U.S. citizens.”
Of that total, 18.67 percent, or 56 Marines, indicated they “agree” with the statement, and 7.67 percent, or 23 Marines, indicated that they “strongly agree.”
These Marines have to remember that there are generations of veterans who were trained on the same weapons they’re using and those veterans are equally adept at marksmanship to this day.
If They start a battle they’re going to get a rude awakening.
/yes, yes..I know, I'm feeding this idiot. No need to say it.
That was AWESOME! LOL
The Kent State event in 1970 is the most recent I believe. There was another one in 1963 when hundreds of thousands marched on Washington, D.C. in MLK’s Freedom March
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Kent State, IMNSHO, was the result of poorly trained NG members - they didn’t get the training etc they do now.
BUT it did stop the storming of college campuses etc.
As to the 63 event, I was stationed at Cheltenham MD (near Andrews AFB) and as an RM didn’t really get into it like the Army and Marines but it was ‘tense’.
After JFK’s assassination we were on shut down for a couple of days while things were being sorted out.
Like you mention below ‘We would follow orders’.
Back in 50’s/60’s there were stories of ‘dungaree liberties’ on towns that made their living ripping of Military types.
As to the question of “Would you shoot an American”, I would like to see the entire list of questions and see what the questions leading up to the ‘big kahuna’ were.
Lot of times those ‘psych tests’ are used to trick an answer out of you...like in 200 questions the same question may be asked and it should be the same answer but it depends what leads up to it.
When I took my psych exam for Submarines one of the early questions was of a sexual nature and (I was 23 and ‘knew everything’ and was a salty 6 yr vet) the thought running through the mind was if I answer to the male side they may think something ‘wrong’ with me and if I answered to the ‘female’ side they may think I was obsessed with something I couldn’t have.
Anyway, when the page was turned (couldn’t go back) the question required the opposite of your first answer..
Lets face it LEO shoot/kill and/or arrest Americans on a daily basis - mostly because they were doing ‘wrong’ but how hard would it be to tell your troops that the citizens of (say) Los Angeles were attempting to overthrow the Govt...and get told that while airborne enroute to an unknown location....
When you are young and full of P—s & Vinegar no telling what may happen.
One of the earlier ‘scenarios’ had National Guard from VA being sent to Washington (state), Nevada to New York etc, where it takes the ‘personal aspect’ out of it....
But like another poster said, there are a lot of us that had the same training and trained on weapons and tactics, though outdated some things basically don’t change - what the Military has to ‘worry’ about is if all aren’t committed and “we” can get to them they may turn if they find they are being duped....
Obama is far worse than almost any American can imagine. It is because we cannot imagine such evil that it is able to prosper. It’s time to get wise.
I recall the Kent State shooting and -- just as important -- the times.
I do not recall this thread but it appears to be some of the "rest of the story."
As I recall (I did not read the linked article) Gov. Rhodes called out the Ohio National Guard because of violence and trouble in the town of Kent; plus knowledge that it was going to get worse there.
.. and speaking of the times -- how about Bill Ayers and the lovely Mrs. Ayers (Bernardine Dohrn)? to wit, Officer Down Memorial Page -- Ayers and Dohrn were not guardsmen but people died because of them.
Generals McChrystal, Ham, Petraeus, McKiernan, Mattis, and Admiral Gaouette.
+/-70 Spec Ops men in Afghanistan.
0bama loves him his anti-American communism.
Michael Isikoff wasn't it?
Certainly not a drooling lice-ridden blogger.
If any blogger "wrote" about ANY story, it's because they read the story elsewhere first.
Drudge broke the story because isakof didn’t
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