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Renowned author: Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens
examiner.com ^ | January 22, 2013 | Joe Newby

Posted on 01/25/2013 4:16:04 PM PST by grundle

On Monday, Dr. Jim Garrow, a renowned author and humanitarian who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, sparked a firestorm of controversy when he wrote on Facebook that President Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com, Dr. Garrow said the man who told him this is a military hero who is known by everybody in the country.

"I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new 'litmus test' in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks," he wrote.

"The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not," the unnamed military officer reportedly said. Dr. Garrow also wrote that those who do not meet this litmus test are being removed.

On Tuesday, Dr. Garrow said that officers who know about this cannot come forward without endangering themselves and facing possible retaliation from the administration.

According to Dr. Garrow, the officer who made the allegation learned about the litmus test from the person who got him interested in military service. That person, Dr. Garrow added, was forced out for failing to meet the criteria.

Dr. Garrow said he promised to keep the officer's name from the public, adding that he stands behind what he was told regardless of the consequences.

"I would stake my full reputation on this gentleman," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: agenda; banglist; bho44; bhosecdef; cicobama; guncontrol; military; secondamendment
This could turn out to be bogus - but just in case it's true, we should document it here as early as possible.

Besides, Obama already killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen, without judicial process, which is prohibited by the Constitution, and is an impeachable offense, so this new info is consistent with Obama's past behavior.

1 posted on 01/25/2013 4:16:12 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I would say it is true.
My niece, who is in the Air Force, was just promoted.
And during her oral questioning, was asked if she were willing to fire on US citizens if ordered to do so.
(She said they told her not to answer, it was a rhetorical question.)
I think they may have been watching body language, when she was asked.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 4:23:35 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: grundle
Dr. Garrow said the man who told him this is a military hero who is known by everybody in the country.

Well, that convinces me. /s

If this "military hero" is so concerned, he ought to call a news conference and tell the entire country what he knows.

It would be a risk for sure, but that's what heroes do.

3 posted on 01/25/2013 4:28:21 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: grundle

How reliable is the source? (The Examiner)


4 posted on 01/25/2013 4:28:34 PM PST by jacquej
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To: grundle

Supposedly the hero is retired, and the active duty officer (who the hero had mentored) who told him about the litmus test also retired because he couldn’t agree to it.

So there are two men beyond having their military careers harmed (except for consulting, etc.) who believe that Obama is planning a military dictatorship. They themselves are not yet coming forward.

I’ll believe this when officers with names step forward and say it.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 4:28:59 PM PST by heartwood
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To: svcw

DREAM Act anyone ?


6 posted on 01/25/2013 4:32:26 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: svcw

Uh, oh.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 4:33:12 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: grundle

He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders.


8 posted on 01/25/2013 4:34:00 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: grundle
This could turn out to be bogus

Probably.

Examiner blog sucks and zotted Joe Newby sucks even harder.

But hey, you like blogs, right?

9 posted on 01/25/2013 4:37:50 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: grundle

The military has been used in the past to break up protests:

In July 1932, Patton served under Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur as a major commanding 600 troops of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment. On 28 July, MacArthur ordered these troops to advance on protesting veterans known as the “Bonus Army” in Washington, D.C. with tear gas and bayonets. One of the veterans dispersed by the cavalry was Joe Angelo, who had saved Patton’s life in World War I.

Patton was dissatisfied with MacArthur’s conduct as he recognized the legitimacy of the veterans’ complaints and had himself earlier refused to issue the order to employ armed force to disperse the veterans.

Patton later stated that, though he found the duty “most distasteful,” he also felt that putting the marchers down prevented an insurrection and saved lives and property. He personally led the 3rd Cavalry down Pennsylvania Avenue dispersing the protesters.

The above is per Wikipedia and can be found under George S. Patton (Jr.). Further information can be read under “Bonus Army”.

Will U.S. troops fire upon civilians? I believe so. There exists more than one reason BHO2 would give such an order, but generally he thrives on the pain and chaos it will cause Americans.

We should not give BHO2 any opportunity to declare Martial Law against conservative America. Everyone knows what I’m talking about here: we can’t prevent Detroit, Los Angeles, or Phiadelphia, from going ballistic and burning their cities down, but we can be smart and not provide a target for the administration.


10 posted on 01/25/2013 4:37:50 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: grundle

“....and is an impeachable offense....”

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Them are fighting words to the administration especially when Obama is unimpeachable.

If you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, name me JUST ONE congresscritter with the brass to start impeachment procedures.

I’m waiting....


11 posted on 01/25/2013 4:38:12 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: grundle
If true, this could be the makings of a new Dreyfus Affair, where the military leadership is accused of treason by a national figure whose reputation is beyond repute.

-PJ

12 posted on 01/25/2013 4:38:55 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: grundle

Well when the Czars officers ordered their troops to fire on their fellow Russians, how did that turn out for the officers....


13 posted on 01/25/2013 4:41:04 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: saganite
He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders.

Exactly. That's why this is a fool's errand. Not even the Soviets could get such a setup going.

14 posted on 01/25/2013 4:41:41 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Leaning Right

Perhaps not quite so far fetched as you think.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2981781/posts


15 posted on 01/25/2013 4:42:13 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: grundle

Some may fire back.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 4:43:45 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: Leaning Right
he ought to call a news conference and tell the entire country what he knows.

You obviously were too young or inattentive when William Colby, Admiral Boorda, and a few hundred others left this realm.

17 posted on 01/25/2013 4:44:54 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: grundle

So if Obama is a US citizen..........


18 posted on 01/25/2013 4:46:51 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

It could be done, It may take thirty years of promoting willing people, but it would be possible to create a military culture that no longer feels accountable to the people.


19 posted on 01/25/2013 4:48:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Exactly.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 4:50:18 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: grundle

I think this is very likely true... all signs are definitely leading to it complete with the push for gun control.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 4:52:33 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: saganite
RE: "He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders."

I remember when this was a hot topic on the emerging modern talk radio.

Twewntynine Palms survey of Marines, 1994

Consider the following statement: `I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government'."

The question was then posed as to what degree the individual Marine agreed with the Statement.

According to the results given in Cunningham's thesis, a total of 88 percent, or 264 Marines, responded to the question.

Of the 264 who responded, 26.34 percent, or 79 Marines, indicated they would be willing to "fire upon U.S. citizens."

Of that total, 18.67 percent, or 56 Marines, indicated they "agree" with the statement, and 7.67 percent, or 23 Marines, indicated that they "strongly agree."

A total of 61.66 percent, or 185, indicated that they were opposed to firing at citizens.

Of the total, 42.33 percent, or 127, indicated they "strongly disagree" and 19.33 percent, or 58, indicated they "disagree."

In his thesis, Cunningham noted: "This particular question, unlike the others, elicited from 15.97 percent of the respondents with an opinion, either heavier pen or pencil marks on their response or written comments in the margin space. The responses to this scenario suggest that a complete unit breakdown could occur in a unit tasked to execute this mission,"

However, it becomes clear that a poll would be useful in determining which soldiers, and in this case Marines, would be willing to undertake such a mission, to fire upon U.S. citizens."


22 posted on 01/25/2013 4:57:58 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Leaning Right

“It would be a risk for sure, but that’s what heroes do.”

Exactly.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 4:58:34 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: grundle

Makes sense to me. What good is NDAA without the right people to enforce it!


24 posted on 01/25/2013 4:58:53 PM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: grundle

I’ll believe it, maybe, when the “military hero”—the “former senior military leader”—tells us all. And that’s a maybe.


25 posted on 01/25/2013 5:09:04 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: grundle

Has it ever happened in another country? If so, it can happen here, given enough time.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 5:10:48 PM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: saganite

>>He would need more than officers who would order their men to fire on citizens. He would need soldiers willing to carry out those orders.

Exactly! When the officer orders his men to fire on the citizens, he might only hear one shot. I guess Obama will be embedding Political Officers with all troops now.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 5:13:23 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: grundle

Just like Germany in the 30’s...and we dumb Americans used to ask the question how could German citizens have been so stupid in electing Adolph Hitler.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 5:20:45 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: grundle

If something like this would have been said of any previous president, the country and MSM would have been up in arms.

What a repulsive notion — a president who is looking for people willing to kill those who put him in office.

It just shows how low we have sank as a nation.


29 posted on 01/25/2013 5:20:55 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: grundle

See more including a video interview with Garrow at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2981820/posts


30 posted on 01/25/2013 5:22:22 PM PST by shove_it (the 0banana regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: grundle

Uh 1.4 billion rounds of +P critical defense frangible rounds of ammo for DHS. They are coming to get us at some point.

Stalin got rid of his generals too.


31 posted on 01/25/2013 5:22:29 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Leaning Right

Too many of our military people are too good of a citizen for me to believe this. I’m not saying there can’t be elements like this but not many.


32 posted on 01/25/2013 5:30:43 PM PST by JimSEA ( “what difference does it make?”)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
This type of civil disobedience rarely happens in the USA. The Kent State event in 1970 is the most recent I believe. There was another one in 1963 when hundreds of thousands marched on Washington, D.C. in MLK's Freedom March. It was not publicized but those of us serving in the Military District of Washington (MDW) underwent a couple weeks of riot control training. At the time, I was HQ Company supply clerk in The Old Guard at Ft. Myer in ANC and we all went through the training with fixed bayonets and gas masks. To make a long story short, on the morning of the "March" all the armorers and supply clerks issued weapons and gear to the troops. NCOs were issued ammo and we all loaded into deuce and half trucks strung with chicken wire to protect us against thrown objects and awaited the order to move out. As I sat nervously in that truck, the colonel commanding the battalion of about 700 walked down the line of trucks telling us to remember our training and follow orders. He then said grimly: "men, you may have to kill some Americans today". He then moved on to the next truck.

In my truck we wondered how 700 grunts were going to control hundreds of thousands of angry Americans but there was no doubt among us that we would FOLLOW ORDERS. That's what soldiers did then and that's what soldiers always do.

Thankfully it all turned out peacefully and we went back to our normal duty of burying dead warriors with honor.

33 posted on 01/25/2013 5:34:26 PM PST by shove_it (the 0banana regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

According to the results given in Cunningham’s thesis, a total of 88 percent, or 264 Marines, responded to the question.

Of the 264 who responded, 26.34 percent, or 79 Marines, indicated they would be willing to “fire upon U.S. citizens.”

Of that total, 18.67 percent, or 56 Marines, indicated they “agree” with the statement, and 7.67 percent, or 23 Marines, indicated that they “strongly agree.”

These Marines have to remember that there are generations of veterans who were trained on the same weapons they’re using and those veterans are equally adept at marksmanship to this day.

If They start a battle they’re going to get a rude awakening.


34 posted on 01/25/2013 5:52:55 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: humblegunner
Opinion only...recall who broke Monica during BJ's days?
Nah. Not you..that would put a hurt on your blog pimp hurt locker. Is trolling threads the best you have in life?

/yes, yes..I know, I'm feeding this idiot. No need to say it.

35 posted on 01/25/2013 5:55:33 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael Barnes; humblegunner
Opinion only...recall who broke Monica during BJ's days? Nah. Not you..that would put a hurt on your blog pimp hurt locker. Is trolling threads the best you have in life?

That was AWESOME! LOL

36 posted on 01/25/2013 6:19:31 PM PST by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: grundle

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2981820/posts?page=56#56


37 posted on 01/25/2013 6:26:14 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: shove_it

The Kent State event in 1970 is the most recent I believe. There was another one in 1963 when hundreds of thousands marched on Washington, D.C. in MLK’s Freedom March
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Kent State, IMNSHO, was the result of poorly trained NG members - they didn’t get the training etc they do now.
BUT it did stop the storming of college campuses etc.

As to the 63 event, I was stationed at Cheltenham MD (near Andrews AFB) and as an RM didn’t really get into it like the Army and Marines but it was ‘tense’.
After JFK’s assassination we were on shut down for a couple of days while things were being sorted out.
Like you mention below ‘We would follow orders’.
Back in 50’s/60’s there were stories of ‘dungaree liberties’ on towns that made their living ripping of Military types.

As to the question of “Would you shoot an American”, I would like to see the entire list of questions and see what the questions leading up to the ‘big kahuna’ were.
Lot of times those ‘psych tests’ are used to trick an answer out of you...like in 200 questions the same question may be asked and it should be the same answer but it depends what leads up to it.

When I took my psych exam for Submarines one of the early questions was of a sexual nature and (I was 23 and ‘knew everything’ and was a salty 6 yr vet) the thought running through the mind was if I answer to the male side they may think something ‘wrong’ with me and if I answered to the ‘female’ side they may think I was obsessed with something I couldn’t have.
Anyway, when the page was turned (couldn’t go back) the question required the opposite of your first answer..

Lets face it LEO shoot/kill and/or arrest Americans on a daily basis - mostly because they were doing ‘wrong’ but how hard would it be to tell your troops that the citizens of (say) Los Angeles were attempting to overthrow the Govt...and get told that while airborne enroute to an unknown location....

When you are young and full of P—s & Vinegar no telling what may happen.

One of the earlier ‘scenarios’ had National Guard from VA being sent to Washington (state), Nevada to New York etc, where it takes the ‘personal aspect’ out of it....

But like another poster said, there are a lot of us that had the same training and trained on weapons and tactics, though outdated some things basically don’t change - what the Military has to ‘worry’ about is if all aren’t committed and “we” can get to them they may turn if they find they are being duped....


38 posted on 01/25/2013 6:28:10 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: grundle

Obama is far worse than almost any American can imagine. It is because we cannot imagine such evil that it is able to prosper. It’s time to get wise.


39 posted on 01/25/2013 6:32:15 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: All
Kent State and the Ohio National Guard have been mentioned..

I recall the Kent State shooting and -- just as important -- the times.

I do not recall this thread but it appears to be some of the "rest of the story."

New light shed on Kent State killings--Shots fired at Guard, declassified files indicate

Washington Times.

As I recall (I did not read the linked article) Gov. Rhodes called out the Ohio National Guard because of violence and trouble in the town of Kent; plus knowledge that it was going to get worse there.

.. and speaking of the times -- how about Bill Ayers and the lovely Mrs. Ayers (Bernardine Dohrn)? to wit, Officer Down Memorial Page -- Ayers and Dohrn were not guardsmen but people died because of them.

40 posted on 01/25/2013 8:04:29 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Generals McChrystal, Ham, Petraeus, McKiernan, Mattis, and Admiral Gaouette.

+/-70 Spec Ops men in Afghanistan.

0bama loves him his anti-American communism.


41 posted on 01/25/2013 8:07:50 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Michael Barnes
recall who broke Monica during BJ's days?

Michael Isikoff wasn't it?

Certainly not a drooling lice-ridden blogger.

If any blogger "wrote" about ANY story, it's because they read the story elsewhere first.

42 posted on 01/26/2013 1:38:24 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Drudge broke the story because isakof didn’t


43 posted on 01/26/2013 6:27:16 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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