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1 posted on 02/02/2013 7:38:51 PM PST by cunning_fish
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Basically the Russians fought bravely, outnumbered the Germans by quite a bit and had short supply lines. On the German side Hitler prevented his Field Marshall Paulus from maneuvers which could have saved the army and made them just keep on until they just couldn’t go any more.

I remember Churchill saying that Stalin was demanding the British attack somewhere, maybe in the Middle East with 30 divisions. Churchill said they had just scraped together a single division to send to Malta.

He later learned that Stalin had 100 divisions training and equipping East of the Urals. With such a massive army they knew they would win.


2 posted on 02/02/2013 7:48:38 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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I think Hitler was driven by ego in a way. If the Wehrmacht had captured the city that bore the name of his enemy for Hitler it would have been almost like having captured Stalin himself. And it would also have had a tremendously demoralizing effect on the Red Army and the Russian people. Most Americans when they think of World War Two tend to not realize just how pivotal the battle was in the over all strategy of winning the war. The Allies felt that if Hitler had captured Moscow and or Stalingrad they were willing to write the Soviet Union off and sue for peace. Oddly enough today marks 70 years the battle ended.


3 posted on 02/02/2013 8:26:14 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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I think Hitler was driven by ego in a way. If the Wehrmacht had captured the city that bore the name of his enemy for Hitler it would have been almost like having captured Stalin himself. And it would also have had a tremendously demoralizing effect on the Red Army and the Russian people. Most Americans when they think of World War Two tend to not realize just how pivotal the battle was in the over all strategy of winning the war. The Allies felt that if Hitler had captured Moscow and or Stalingrad they were willing to write the Soviet Union off and sue for peace. Oddly enough today marks 70 years the battle ended.


4 posted on 02/02/2013 8:29:34 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Operation Uranus signaled the end for Paulus’ 6th Armee. Sweeping past the Rumanians and Italians on their flanks, the Soviets surrounded the Germans in their own kessel (kettle) and destroyed notions of Wehrmacht superiority. They were on the defensive on the eastern front after Stalingrad, the epic armored battle at Kursk notwithstanding.


9 posted on 02/02/2013 8:52:23 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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Stalingrad was a very close-run thing. The Russians threw everything they had in there.

In the war memorial in Kiev, Ukraine there is a T-34 on display from the "Great Patriotic War". It is the roughest thing you ever saw in terms of finish, but it was a great tank for its day. They rolled out of the factories in Stalingrad without even paint, because the Russians needed everything on the firing line.

12 posted on 02/03/2013 5:24:23 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Putin is a repulsive Soviet apologist who views the EVIL EMPIRE as patriotic liberators. Putin thinks that his loyal service to Marxism-Leninism and the KGB was patriotic, rather than what it really was, the treasonous betrayal of his fellow Russians. Putin has to whitewash the crimes of the Soviet Union because he is an accomplice to these horrendous crimes and he does not repent for how he helped the KGB oppress his own people, he is proud of betraying the Russian people and destroying their freedom.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 1:15:36 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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