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Vet Faces 35 Years In Jail for Magazines
TL In Exile ^ | Jan 30, 2013 | TL Davis

Posted on 02/04/2013 10:56:21 PM PST by LifeComesFirst

// THIS ISN'T MY BLOG, I JUST STUMBLED ACROSS IT //

The case of Nathan Haddad should boil the blood of any good American. A twelve-year veteran of the Army, with four deployments, is a decorated combat veteran and now, probably, a felon. His crime: possession of five empty 30-round magazines for an AR-15. The magazines were stowed in the trunk of his car at the time of a traffic stop.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; guncontrol; guns; magazines; nathanhaddad; secondamendment; vet

1 posted on 02/04/2013 10:56:37 PM PST by LifeComesFirst
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To: LifeComesFirst

Better be careful. There appears to be more to this story than what is posted.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 10:59:50 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Wait till they pass the “Barney Fife Law” and we are limited to one bullet that may not be in the gun, and must be registered with the local Sheriff.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 11:08:14 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LifeComesFirst

““Do you really think we want those laws observed?” Said Dr. Ferris. We want them broken. You better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that’s the system Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Part 2, Chapter 3, Page 404


4 posted on 02/04/2013 11:08:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Be careful?
We need to reject all of these BS laws!!!


5 posted on 02/04/2013 11:12:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LifeComesFirst

we need to start handing out life sentences to hippies that get caught with weed in red states. Get caught with a joint, spend the rest of your life in prison. Works for me.


6 posted on 02/04/2013 11:16:23 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one

Poor ol Willie Nelson doesn’t stand a chance LOL


7 posted on 02/04/2013 11:17:58 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LifeComesFirst

if true, this man could mobilize an army of support for his legal defense.


8 posted on 02/04/2013 11:18:57 PM PST by dadfly
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To: LifeComesFirst

Related: http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/feb/1/miller-ny-vet-arrested-30-round-magazines-part-1/


9 posted on 02/04/2013 11:20:50 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Whatcha mean? What have you heard?


10 posted on 02/04/2013 11:24:08 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: piytar

Just try to understand all the details of Federal .922r
Let alone all the individual State and local regs.
It is so complex.


11 posted on 02/04/2013 11:27:55 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LifeComesFirst; mylife

Those magazines he possessed may have been US Army property.


12 posted on 02/04/2013 11:28:47 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: All

Haddad was apparently in violation of the 1994 law that limited mags to 10 rounds, yet the same state that just limited mags to 7 rounds now, has been soothing peoples brows by saying so long as there are no more than 7 bullets in the mag, you are legal.

These mags where EMPTY.

What is the law??!!

And I don’t own a single mag that has a manufacture date stamped on it.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 11:31:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

And they may have been surplus.
If he stole them from the military that is another kettle of fish.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 11:33:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
And they may have been surplus.

Before jumping to conclusions, don't you believe it best to get all the facts?

15 posted on 02/04/2013 11:35:25 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Oh. So how serious would that be? Would that be like taking a stapler or do they regard it as super-serious?


16 posted on 02/04/2013 11:36:26 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I don’t know why anyone would risk a career over $50 worth of stuff, but stranger things have happened.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 11:37:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Alaska Wolf

If it was Gov property, the worst he should get is a dishonorable discharge.

35 years in jail? Really?


18 posted on 02/04/2013 11:39:13 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Oh. So how serious would that be?

You'll have to check with the US Army and the State of New York.

19 posted on 02/04/2013 11:42:21 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: mylife
I don’t know why anyone would risk a career over $50 worth of stuff

I believe Haddad had been discharged in 2010.

20 posted on 02/04/2013 11:45:42 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: LifeComesFirst

Bad headline .. I thought it meant Penthouse.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 1:46:43 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
Bad headline .. I thought it meant Penthouse.

That's why I don't get all bent out of shape when people call them clips.

22 posted on 02/05/2013 1:53:29 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Alaska Wolf; mylife
Mylife says they may have been surplus, and you accuse him of jumping to conclusions before getting all the facts?

You said the magazines may have been stolen, Are you not just as guilty of jumping to conclusions before getting all the facts?

23 posted on 02/05/2013 4:54:54 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: LifeComesFirst

If he knew they were illegal, why keep them in his vehicle? The odds of having them be found are way better in a vehicle than having them at home.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 6:28:33 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LifeComesFirst

Haddad?

Well that sounds American... Best to be sure to get all the facts on this one...


25 posted on 02/05/2013 9:02:31 AM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: LifeComesFirst
Here's a news story about the arrest, which took place January 7, 2013

And Here is a story with a lot more details::

According to Jefferson County Sheriff’s office sources, Mr. Haddad was in the parking lot of a closed business at 7:30 p.m. when an officer asked him what he was doing. The police allege that the Fort Drum civilian employee said that he was meeting someone to sell the AR-15 style rifle magazines. A police source also said that the magazines were stamped with the words “Restricted. For military use only.”
I think it is hard to fault the police for arresting him, if this is the story. I don't think he deserves to be arrested, just that you find some guy who says he is selling magazines, and it looks like those magazines might be "stolen", or not be legal for civilian possession, you can't just let them run along.

The article notes that it is highly unlikely he'll serve time. There is a meeting with prosecutors on February 20th, and then he'll know if there are any charges, and so, what punishment they are looking for.

But trying to sell them is probably going to make that conversation different from what it would be if he had just been passing through and had them thrown in his trunk with other things.

26 posted on 02/05/2013 9:59:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Production overruns are often sold to the public. Colt LE carbines are a good example as they used to be readily available for purchase at gun stores. They are marked for government use only and are by no means illicit to own.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 10:31:12 AM PST by BlueStateMadness (Two commonly violated premises: you can save people from themselves, and the free lunch myth)
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To: rmh47
you accuse him of jumping to conclusions

I didn't write or post the article, did I? Do we have all the facts? He was in possession of what are described as illegal(in the state of New York)high capacity magazines marked/stamped with “Restricted. For military use only.”

“He’s not proclaiming innocence,” Michael Haddad told me in a phone interview. “He thought he had something that was legal and it turned out that they weren’t.” Michael said that his brother told him that, “‘I was arrested. I was charged with a crime. It is what it is.’”

True or false?

Did you read the entire thread and links provided or do you just shoot from the hip?

28 posted on 02/05/2013 11:53:50 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
I believe Haddad had been discharged in 2010.

The 1994 law that was referenced "sundowned" in 2004. How did the police come to search his trunk? Was this a traffic stop or were they fishing for something. There is more going on here than meets the eye.

Regards,
GtG

29 posted on 02/05/2013 2:27:08 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Alaska Wolf; mylife
Yes, I read the entire article, and, no, I don't think I "shot from the hip" (which is not to say that I have never done so).

The magazines may have been stolen from the military, or they may have been surplussed. At this point, we don't know. The fact that they had "restricted use only" stamped on them only means that they were made after the federal ban on them went into effect in 1994. That stamping is to distinguish them from the mags made before the ban went into effect. The older mags were "grandfathered" in and were still legal to possess under both Federal and New York law. [Not sure what the just passed New York law says about them.] Since the older mags have nothing stamped on them, the newer mags (which the military and police could still legally acquire) had to have something stamped on them to distinguish them from the older ones. Such mags could and have (I believe, I'll have to check to be absolutely sure) been surplussed.

After the Federal ban sunsetted, mags so stamped, if surplussed, would be legal to possess under Federal law, but not under New York law which had no sunset provision.

You said, "Those magazines he possessed may have been US Army property." I have no problem with that. You are right. They may indeed be US Army property. If I had to guess, I'd say they were. But I don't know that for a fact, and neither do you, unless you have information that was not in the article.

Mylife said, "And they may have been surplus. If he stole them from the military that is another kettle of fish." I have no problem with that either. They may have been surplussed, as I pointed out above. So far, we're all good.

Then you said, "Before jumping to conclusions, don't you believe it best to get all the facts?" Good advice. But how does it apply to mylife's comment? You said "may," and he said "may." If he is jumping to a conclusion by what he said, are you not doing th same?

30 posted on 02/05/2013 4:19:48 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
How did the police come to search his trunk? Was this a traffic stop or were they fishing for something.

You really need to read the article and links provided.

31 posted on 02/05/2013 5:26:14 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: rmh47
"Before jumping to conclusions, don't you believe it best to get all the facts?" Good advice

Glad you agree. We already see that this incident isn't cops gone wild.

32 posted on 02/05/2013 5:31:41 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Those magazines he possessed may have been US Army property."

from earlier (2/1/13) FR thread on this topic:

Combat Veteran Arrested In New York: Charged With 5 Felonies For Possession of AR Magazines

In the latest attack on the American people, a decorated War Hero has been arrested and charged with five counts of third degree criminal possession of a weapon, for having empty 30 round AR-15 Magazines in his vehicle.

On Sunday January 6th Staff Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, was driving through Jefferson County New York when he was randomly pulled over for a vehicle check. Haddad, who had five 30 round empty magazines in his possession, was arrested by the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department and charged with five felony counts.

According to Haddad’s brother, Michael Haddad, Nathan thought these magazines were legally made before the New York Assault Weapons Ban. When Nathan Haddad was arrested the new ban had not even been fully enacted yet.

This is not a criminal, this is not some thug looking to hurt people; this is a decorated combat veteran who was recently honored by the Philadelphia chapter of Blue Star Mothers and the Union League’s Armed Services Council for helping disabled vets get back on their feet. What’s happening to Army veteran Nate Haddad is an absolute attack on liberty. Here we have a man who honorably served his country, who was trusted with weaponry that far exceeded anything he was carrying, that now finds himself facing the possibility of spending years in prison. (... see rest of article

I've not seen anything that leads me to think negatively about this veteran. What additional information do you have?

33 posted on 02/05/2013 6:59:30 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: cyn

Read the article at the link in post #9.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 7:16:04 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Yeah, I know, I'd already read that and other articles and posts, including

On Sunday January 6th he was arrested for possession of five, 30 round empty magazines that he believed were pre-ban magazines when he purchased them.

I'm waiting to see the official paperwork from Jefferson County, but as yet haven't been able to access. What additional information do you have?

35 posted on 02/05/2013 7:41:01 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: LifeComesFirst; Gandalf_The_Gray


Jefferson County legislators consider resolution opposing state gun law

NOTE: Nathan Haddad was arrested in Jefferson County.

It was hard to find the full reliable info I was after when I started the other night...and I wasn't sure how to get info from the Jefferson County website. I saw from blog posts that others have been frustrated in their attempts as well, in part to protect Haddad, at his request.

36 posted on 02/07/2013 7:18:39 AM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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