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China Forces Seven Month Abortion....... Photo Causes World Wide Outrage
blogspot.com ^ | June 14, 2012

Posted on 02/05/2013 2:54:57 PM PST by grundle

A photo showing a foetus whose mother was forced to have an abortion has shocked China web users. Feng Jiamei, from Shaanxi province, was made to undergo the procedure in the seventh month of pregnancy, local officials said after investigating. Ms Feng was forced into the abortion as she could not pay the fine for having a second child, US-based activists said.

Because she already had a child, said Feng, local birth-control authorities ordered her to pay a fine of £4,000. She didn't have the money, she said, so a team from the local family planning authority in Shannxi province came to collect her from her home and take her to hospital for the forced abortion. Recounting the horror, Feng said she told the family planning department she could not pay the fine because her mother-in-law needed money for cancer treatment. It was then, she claimed, the authorities began their action against her. She said no less than 20 staff from the family planning department came to her home and placed her under arrest. As they drove her to the hospital for a forced abortion, she began to resist - resulting in her being beaten.

Rights groups say China's one-child policy has meant women being coerced into abortions, which Beijing denies. "Feng Jianmei's story demonstrates how the One-Child Policy continues to sanction violence against women every day," said Chai Ling of the US-based activist group All Girls Allowed. The group says it spoke to Ms Feng and her husband Deng Jiyuan after the incident. Mr Deng said his wife had been forcibly taken to hospital and restrained before the procedure.

Correspondent Jon Sudworth in Shanghai says such allegations are nothing new in China, but what has made this one different is a widely circulated photo of the woman lying next to the baby's corpse. Media reports from China says Ms Feng has been traumatized by what has happened. Chinese law clearly prohibits abortions beyond six months.

Unnamed local officials in Zhenping county - where the incident took place - denied forcing Ms Feng to have the abortion, local media reports say. But a preliminary investigation by the Shaanxi Provincial Population and Family Planning Commission confirmed the forced abortion had taken place. Without naming Ms Feng, it said in a statement that the woman had been seven months pregnant. "Such practice has seriously violated the relevant policies set by national and provincial family planning commissions, which harmed the image of our family planning work, and caused extremely poor effects in society," said the statement. "Based on the findings, we have requested the local government to punish the relevant officers according to law," it said.

The photo circulated around the world via the internet has sparked outrage among world citizens and there is ample evidence of this on the internet today. Activist Chen Guangcheng, who was put under virtual house arrest for campaigning against forced abortions, fled China to the US last month. I don't blame him for going somewhere he can speak his mind freely without persecution. I hope he does not give up his cause.


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1 posted on 02/05/2013 2:55:04 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

God’s judgement will be fearful and just.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 2:57:22 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: grundle

Barbarians at the gate....


3 posted on 02/05/2013 2:59:00 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: grundle

Obama can autograph it and it can be used a Democratic Party fundraiser.


4 posted on 02/05/2013 2:59:45 PM PST by allendale
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To: grundle
And the Vice-President of The United States Of America says who is he to judge the Chinese!

Biden Says He's Not 'Second-Guessing' China's One-Child Rule

5 posted on 02/05/2013 3:09:17 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: allendale

Libertarians will point out that while she has every right to any full term abortion, it shouldn’t be forced on her, it is her choice, (not the babies).


6 posted on 02/05/2013 3:11:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: grundle

Horrible and disgusting.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 3:12:09 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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A photo the scumbags at PP can use for Mother’s Day.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 3:14:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: ansel12

This libertarian disagrees with your generality.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 3:17:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: grundle
Wow! China has Obama Care, too.
10 posted on 02/05/2013 3:19:09 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Proud Thought Criminal since 1984)
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To: grundle

Coming soon to a socialist workers’ and peasants’ paradise in North America.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 3:19:59 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: luvbach1; grundle
Abortion murder (always use these words together) indicts our
nation more than it does China, in my opinion. A government
bureaucracy riddled with evil does not sink to the depths of a
prosperous, free nation killing out of the free-will decisions of
millions, year in and year out, and approved by tens of millions.
12 posted on 02/05/2013 3:20:41 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: grundle

covered by obamacare


13 posted on 02/05/2013 3:23:12 PM PST by sunny48
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To: Gene Eric

Part of libertarianism is to gear the message to whatever audience they are addressing, if speaking to conservatives they embrace conservative economics, if speaking to lefties, then the libertarian will stress homosexuals in the military, gay marriage, unlimited abortion and so on.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 3:23:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: grundle

ok something about this is not right

who took this picture?

and why?

I mean the woman is in pajamas, and they left the dead baby on the bed next to her and then stopped to snap a photo?

I am totally against this policy, but the left is going to claim the photo was staged, and with good reason


15 posted on 02/05/2013 3:25:22 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: jobim
Abortion murder (always use these words together) indicts our nation more than it does China, in my opinion.

Because we vote for it, this election, both parties ran pro-choice candidates.

16 posted on 02/05/2013 3:26:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: grundle
The Chinese are atheists. They make no claim on God, or knowledge of His laws. The United States, on the other hand...
17 posted on 02/05/2013 3:31:43 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: grundle

Obama will say nothing of this, you can bet. Biden, on the other hand, if asked, will comment that either: 1, the mother knew the law, so too bad for her, or 2, he doesn’t personally agree with it, but who are we to judge.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 3:38:05 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: ansel12

That’s the Libertarian Party platform which is a sham. As far as I’m concerned, most of its members are Leftwing jackwagons.

My libertarianism is in contrast to statism, and not to be confused with the flawed platform of the Libertarian Party. Conservatism alone does not properly distinguish itself from statism. My views are essentially in the Conservative-libertarian quad.

To your point about Life, a libertarian must value the life-right of each individual especially the most vulnerable. Only a hypocritical asshat would espouse libertarianism but deny it for nascent life.

I prefer the govt handle the bare essentials of national security, some infrastructure, and minimal Constitutional oversight. This is not exactly a Conservative position; it’s a libertarian one.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 3:55:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Mr. K

>> I am totally against this policy, but the left is going to claim the photo was staged, and with good reason

Is your concern the event did not occur?


20 posted on 02/05/2013 3:59:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: grundle
Damn. I saw my old baby picture at 3 days. That was bigger than I was after I was born.

It ain't right. Ain't right at all.

21 posted on 02/05/2013 4:01:16 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: ansel12

You are a complete idiot.


22 posted on 02/05/2013 4:05:35 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Gene Eric

Their party’s platform is the only honest thing about libertarians, it is where the rubber meets the road, and it all reflects true libertarianism.

Abortion is fundamental to libertarianism, as is homsexualizing the military and gay marriage, porn, and so on, it is why abortion remains in the platform, and why libertarian influence in the GOP is leading to a pro-abortion position, such as we saw in 2012.


23 posted on 02/05/2013 4:06:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: dinodino

You lefties just aren’t very bright are you, but man are you emotional.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 4:11:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Well, at least you are consistent: with each post, you double down on your stupidity.

You really think that classical libertarians are “Left?” Why don’t you read some Locke, Hobbes, and Paine before posting any further. You make yourself look like an uneducated moron.

By the way, watch your capitalization: libertarian != Libertarian.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 4:16:06 PM PST by dinodino
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To: grundle
she could not pay the fine

How much is Hussein's Commiecare™ fine, again?

26 posted on 02/05/2013 4:17:41 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: grundle

This story will make ubama jealous...


27 posted on 02/05/2013 4:18:57 PM PST by rhinohunter
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To: grundle

The officers will be punished, huh? That’ll for sure bring back that baby or help that grieving mother.
Wish there had been a chance to kill those officers before they killed the baby.


28 posted on 02/05/2013 4:22:02 PM PST by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: ansel12

Libertarianism is essentially the sole belief in liberty alone. It dictates that society can function as long as there is full liberty, regardless of any other factor. Libertarianism worked in the days of the Founders, because people were generally more moral (excluding the obvious issue of slavery). The Founders would have been horrified by the idea of murdering a child, or two men getting married. There was no need to legislate against such things because nobody who wasn’t crazy engaged in those acts. It was just unacceptable. The government didn’t need to protect the institution of marriage, because it was safely guarded (for the most part) by human decency. Society has changed (thanks in part to mass media), and conservatism is really a reactionary movement, aimed at restoring not only liberty (which is essential to society), but also morality (which is the other half of the equation.)

This is why I am a conservative. Society is at its best when man has both the freedom to do what is desired, but the morality to do what is right. It’s a check and balance of the human soul, if you will. Liberals complain that we want cameras in bedrooms and such. I don’t want cameras in bedroom, but I do want prayer in school. Maybe then the youth of this country would be a little less degenerate, but no, Heaven forbid you bring religion into education!

And for the record, this picture is horrific. It is like some scene from a nightmare. How any sane country could be part of an organization with China on the Human Rights Council is beyond me. Sickening.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 4:25:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Gene Eric; ansel12
My libertarianism is in contrast to statism, and not to be confused with the flawed platform of the Libertarian Party. Conservatism alone does not properly distinguish itself from statism. My views are essentially in the Conservative-libertarian quad. To your point about Life, a libertarian must value the life-right of each individual especially the most vulnerable. Only a hypocritical asshat would espouse libertarianism but deny it for nascent life.

This libertarian agrees with you.

30 posted on 02/05/2013 4:32:40 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: dinodino; PapaBear3625

Lefty is, as lefty does.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 4:52:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: grundle

well libtards, there’s no story here, haven’t you been screeching to us for 50 years abortion doesn’t murder a person?


32 posted on 02/05/2013 4:52:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Viennacon

Good post.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 4:55:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Again, you have confused “libertarian (classical)” with “Libertarian (Party).” Not sure what else to tell you, other than to try cracking a book sometime. This country was founded on libertarian principles.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 4:58:56 PM PST by dinodino
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To: ansel12
Sometimes it helps to have definitions:

definition: an exact statement or description of the nature, scope, or meaning of something.

libertarianism: an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

statism: a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.

liberalism: a political orientation that favors social progress by reform and by changing laws rather than by revolution

conservatism: a political or theological orientation advocating the preservation of the best in society and opposing radical changes

If you don't accept these definitions, then there's no point continuing the discussion. But assuming you do...

The Libertarian Party represents libertarianism as well as the Republican Party represents conservatism.

The Life issue is differentiated by conservatism and liberalism, not libertarianism and statism. Libertarianism and statism differentiate enforcement, not morality.

Many self-described Conservatives are in actuality Conservative-statists as they prefer the assistance of govt enforced morality. I'd rather have less govt enforcement where the issues are resolved at the local level.

It's the enforcement factor of statism that is responsible for the decay of traditional values as the Conservative-statists are currently losing to the Liberal-statists (aka, Leftwing). This has nothing to do with libertarianism as any Libertarianism that results in the enactment of law is generally not libertarianism.

For the record, I prefer Conservative-statism to Liberal-statism, but prefer Conservative-libertarianism above all.


35 posted on 02/05/2013 4:59:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric; dinodino

Libertarians define themselves by fighting conservatism and supporting the left in homosexualizing the military, gay marriage, abortion, porn, drugs, open borders, the homosexual agenda, anti-conservatism.

Liberaltarians can play word games all day long, from Noam Chomsky to Ron Paul and Bill Maher, libertarians all.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 5:06:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Mr. K

“... the left is going to claim the photo was staged, and with good reason”.

I don’t know, Mr. K. China does some despicable things with respect to abortion and they have been known to illustrate what they did to make a point. A few years back, I read a human rights report about the Chinese government going into a small village and drowning all second born babies. They did it in front of all the townspeople.. to make a point. Ignore the law and we will kill the baby. Submit to our rules. Unfortunately, it is not beyond the spectrum of reason that the government is using this incident to once again show what they can do if someone goes against the law. Just a thought...


37 posted on 02/05/2013 5:08:05 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Gene Eric

Perfectly put, but I’m afraid that it will be lost on ansel12, like explaining calculus to a goat.


38 posted on 02/05/2013 5:18:59 PM PST by dinodino
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To: ansel12

Your indifference to rigor is intolerable.


39 posted on 02/05/2013 5:19:35 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: dinodino

I tried.


40 posted on 02/05/2013 5:21:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

Conservatism is under attack from the left/libertarians, and that is the fact, at the end of all the libertarian bs, is their agenda, homosexualizing the military, open borders, abortion, gay marriage, and all the drugs, porn, and homosexual agenda that they can get.

The libertarians and leftists have made extraordinary gains in all of those areas in the last 50 years as they destroy America.


41 posted on 02/05/2013 5:25:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Gene Eric

You sure did! An admirable effort, too. Your audience’s response?

“Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.”


42 posted on 02/05/2013 5:28:25 PM PST by dinodino
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To: grundle

And yet we continue to issue this country its “favored nation trading status”. Proof that the USA is all talk and no action when it comes to human rights.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 5:36:43 PM PST by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: dinodino

When libertarians quit fighting for the left’s agenda, then let the world and all of the famous lefty libertarians know.


44 posted on 02/05/2013 5:41:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Cyclone59

Year after year,

More Americans lose their jobs. More American factories are closed, then re-opened in China where the same things are made.

Employing no Americans.

Neither party does diddly-squat.

NEITHER ONE.


45 posted on 02/05/2013 5:45:31 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Gene Eric; dinodino; ansel12
Conservatism is under attack from the left/libertarians, and that is the fact, at the end of all the libertarian bs, is their agenda, homosexualizing the military, open borders, abortion, gay marriage, and all the drugs, porn, and homosexual agenda that they can get.

The reason for ansel12's hysterical attitude towards libertarianism (note: small "l", as distinct from the Libertarian Party) may be the desire to not give right-wingers a choice except between statist socialism and statist conservatism, in the hopes that all conservatives jump onto ansel12's flavor.

As an example, in a libertarian political system, there would not be government-enforced morality against porn, but neither would there be government subsidies for immorality (eg, art grants for "Piss Christ", etc).

In a libertarian political system, there would not be government enforcement against fornication and unwed-motherhood. Neither would there be government subsidy for the results of immorality: no welfare means that the incentives for marrying a man who can support a family (instead of sleeping with a succession of gang-bangers) would be restored.

Libertarianism would advance morality, by REMOVING the governmental subsidies that facilitate immorality.

46 posted on 02/06/2013 6:11:56 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

As an example, in a libertarian political system, there would not be government-enforced morality against partial birth abortion and polygamy and pedophilia, and homosexuals in the military and the radical homosexual agenda, entering the United States unrestrained by an INS and Border Patrol, and the left/libertarians would succeed in destroying America and social conservatism.

That is the reality and the success of libertarianism and the left in the last 50 years.

Your child’s fantasy that that will result in a new America of people putting down their crack pipes and ghetto lifestyles and becoming conservative voters and ending welfare and social programs, is insane, and totally bizarre.

Social liberals and immigrants vote for more government and welfare, social conservatives, the religious, are the ones voting against it, and who the libertarians and left are at war with.

You people are totally irrational and live in a fantasy world that when ALL votes are equal, that more ghetto living leads to people suddenly voting like Evangelical Christians, when the opposite is true.

You end welfare and social programs FIRST, then we can discuss adopting your radical leftist America destroying agenda.

Get the voters to vote out the social programs FIRST, not second.

Fifty years of history proves that libertarianism creates more soldiers of the left, not fewer.


47 posted on 02/06/2013 9:07:13 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12
You end welfare and social programs FIRST, then we can discuss adopting your radical leftist America destroying agenda.

Cool, you and I are in agreement. (Ain't that incredible?)

I agree that government subsidies that facilitate immorality should be ended FIRST. This specifically includes the Great Society programs and the Welfare State programs which followed.

For example, I would eliminate all laws that would tell businesses what health insurance coverage to buy (or even to offer health insurance), as well as laws that tell businesses they may not discriminate in hiring. Businesses could then declare that they will not cover gay couples (there would be a financial incentive, due to the cost of covering AIDS treatment).

Suddenly, gay marriage becomes less attractive, because it is no longer a way to tap into someone else's benefits package.

How many women would have children out of wedlock if they had no access to subsidizing government programs and regulations?

48 posted on 02/06/2013 11:28:37 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

No one is interested in your fantasy life.

Libertarians and the other leftists make real gains in passing gay marriage and abortion and so on, that is actually happening, and it is the political success and reality of libertarianism/leftism.

Fantasies about that turning American voters into right wingers, is a bizarre illusion.

Libertarians are liars of the first degree, for them it is ghetto living today, with a promise that the ghetto livers will vote to end welfare tomorrow.

Pathetic.
Social conservatism creates economic conservatives, not social liberalism, which creates economic liberals.


49 posted on 02/06/2013 11:44:41 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12; PapaBear3625
>> Libertarians make real gains in passing gay marriage and abortion and so on

Your argument, ansel12, regarding libertarianism and law is contradictory.

Libertarianism: 1) an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens. 2) A person who believes in the maximum amount of freedom of thought, behaviour, etc. 3) An ideological belief in freedom of thought and speech

Maybe you should consider starting your own language. You can call it, Anslish. And don't forget to include your definitions of democracy and republicanism. I'm particularly curious if you'll describe republicanism as open-borders, compassionate conservatism, and go on about how democracy really means the advancement of abortion and gun-grabbing.

50 posted on 02/06/2013 12:55:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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