“But we do believe they would be possible and better than what we have now.”
Except that libertarians have no evidence that their ideology is, in fact, possible. Point to another successful libertarian society in history. Now if you were to say you wanted a more libertarian society, then we could certainly agree that’s possible. However, there will always be competing interests in any society. I think the closest this world ever came to achieving your ideal was at the founding, but things happen that cause government to expand. I’m just wondering if there’s a historically proven way to back a government down without things falling apart? In other words, do governments ever substantially change without a crisis? Or, is government expansion inevitable short of war, revolution, or economic collapse?
“Except that libertarians have no evidence that their ideology is, in fact, possible. Point to another successful libertarian society in history.”
I was thinking the same also. In college we used to have arguments about whether Communism was better than Capitalism. People on my side would point out all the failed Communist states, the Berlin Wall, etc. The response would be that those countries are not “true” Communist countries, and that no country has tried “true” Communism yet...and if we would just do it right, everyone would be happy.
Needless to say, thinking that the results would be any different with that bunch in charge of the next Communist society was a joke, and they didn’t get very far convincing most of us (but some idiots did believe them).